D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” (Sun Tzu – The Art of War) Those who have followed both the reporting and coverage of the Supreme Court’s ruling regarding Rangers use of EBT’s could probably hazard a fairly good guess guess as to who the enemy is. It would be inaccurate to say, “they broke cover” as many entering the fray would be filed under the category of “the usual suspects”. Perhaps my favourite observation at the time came from not within our support, but from the Head of Sport at the Herald, Stuart Weir who reflected via Twitter “Still folk out there who've only watched Kavanagh QC (while evidently downing bottles of QC sherry) arguing with real QC's Pass the popcorn” Stewart would probably have required an extra-large bag if the dogged stance of Tom English was anything to go by. The latter’s debate with QC and Tax Specialist Joylon Maugham was the twitter equivalent of “death by a thousand tweets” as the assertions of English were ceremoniously and clinically lanced as if the BBC reporter’s line of reasoning was little more than a septic boil. Of course, that didn’t stop BBC Scotland running with the erroneous and inaccurate “unlawful” accusation in their news bulletins. And its at this point I would respectfully suggest our enemy recognition becomes somewhat clouded. Who approved the inclusion and creation of the word “unlawful” and who, with editorial responsibility deemed it appropriate and accurate? It is refreshing that this inaccuracy will not go without challenge, and Club 1872 have already intimated that this will be subject of a complaint. I suspect those of us who have previously trodden this path could predict the pattern – rejection and escalation, rinse and repeat until it is eventually deferred to Ofcom for a ruling. (From 3 April 2017, Ofcom replaced the BBC Trust as first regulator) When it does arrive on their doorstep I hope Ofcom reflect that it is not the first complaint from Rangers supporters regarding the accuracy of the organisation’s output north of the border. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22951447 It didn’t require tax experts and QC’s however to punch fairly large holes in BBC Scotland’s adopted stance. Frankie from Gersnet skewered BBC Scotland’s Chris McGlaughin to the point the latter was unable to form a reply to some probing questions. However, as with Tom English , Frankie makes a critical observation in response to Joylon Maugham. “What you may not realise Jo, is that BBC Scotland's default position on Rangers has to be maximum negative. Tom merely carrying that baton.” Might I respectfully suggest that there is a very large ball about to land in the court of Ofcom. Merely adjudicating on the matter is not sufficient, not given the previous failings of the organisation as alluded to earlier. The role of the unnamed, unseen baton carriers needs to be examined thoroughly, including systems and processes which allowed inaccurate and erroneous broadcasting to once again pass as acceptable, accurate and impartial. Sometimes adjudication like a medical diagnosis is not sufficient, merely identifying a septic boil is not enough – it requires to be lanced and cleansed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Nice as per. Off track ever so slightly but did the journo's English and Spiers have much to say about Celtics supporters vile chanting which disgusted everyone who witnessed the "wow that's unreal" footage that even had them dancing to the chorus? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Great article again D'Art Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyscott1963 18,020 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, D'Artagnan said: It is refreshing that this inaccuracy will not go without challenge, and Club 1872 have already intimated that this will be subject of a complaint Surely as they have previous a large fine and the bad publicity should have ordinary decent licence payers wanting to know what the fuck is going on at bbc scotland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negri's lovechild 13,593 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 It shows the lengths of hatred \ delusion the prominent ones have when they can argue the toss with a legal QC who specialises in tax law. Good article again D'art. They need challenged at every turn. Hopefully now the English media have got on the case, things can start changing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, Negri's lovechild said: It shows the lengths of hatred \ delusion the prominent ones have when they can argue the toss with a legal QC who specialises in tax law. Good article again D'art. They need challenged at every turn. Hopefully now the English media have got on the case, things can start changing. WTF does a legal QC who only had to study rigourously for 5-7 years and have exerience in the legal system in this field have that qualifies him to poo poo the arguements of our esteemed journalists in this country who have spent at least 3 years getting a qualification in printing shite and swearing blind that the right thing is in fact wrong. Bloody cheek of that QC! Someone needs to have a word with him. That's not how it works in Scotland any more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Had typed up something identical to this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianb1547 3,767 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Good article D'art. My concern is that BBC will refer to the SPFL statement that was issued, particularly this paragraph "The SPFL Board of directors has considered carefully the judgement of the Supreme Court in the unsuccessful appeal by the former Rangers Football Club PLC (in liquidation) ("Rangers OldCo") against the decision of the Inner House of the Court of Session finding that OldCo acted unlawfully in failing to deduct and pay over to HMRC, PAYE income tax, from payments made by it to EBTs for many of its registered players." Read more at https://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl-press-release-84/#LOvVZvIJC6HwZpzV.99 I'm hoping we are also pursuing SPFL for reason why they included 'unlawfully' in their statement Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallyruff 622 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Eloquently put as always. Missed your input and observations recently, glad to have you out of hibernation. Scots journalists have become so used to shaping and leading the narrative that they have become unable and unwilling to accept any position that is not in accordance with their ''accepted'' view. English's recent behaviour has been the most glaring example, whilst Spiers continually proves the point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallyruff 622 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, ianb1547 said: Good article D'art. My concern is that BBC will refer to the SPFL statement that was issued, particularly this paragraph "The SPFL Board of directors has considered carefully the judgement of the Supreme Court in the unsuccessful appeal by the former Rangers Football Club PLC (in liquidation) ("Rangers OldCo") against the decision of the Inner House of the Court of Session finding that OldCo acted unlawfully in failing to deduct and pay over to HMRC, PAYE income tax, from payments made by it to EBTs for many of its registered players." Read more at https://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl-press-release-84/#LOvVZvIJC6HwZpzV.99 I'm hoping we are also pursuing SPFL for reason why they included 'unlawfully' in their statement English has already used this very excuse, leading of course to the QC making caustic remarks regarding his own qualifications as compared to those of the SPFL's and pointing out that this ''unlawful'' was not used in the original opinion supplied thereby. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 12,686 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Good one D'Art .... nice to see you posting again mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Well done,D'Art (as usual) I never just read an article from D'Art and instantly agree with it; I find it more rewarding to read the entire article then try and find a fault or something I could disagree with, but in this case it's hard to disagree with any of it. Keep your finger on the pulse,young man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,610 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Good suff D'A as per !?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo1872 4,065 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Hope C1872 do something about it and its not a case of, "i'm counting to 3 then...1...2...3....4". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottywellhousetb 50,134 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Great post, though when I read the title I thought it was going to be about thick micks getting skelped with baseball bats, this was an equally enjoyable read on the train however. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 43 minutes ago, ianb1547 said: Good article D'art. My concern is that BBC will refer to the SPFL statement that was issued, particularly this paragraph "The SPFL Board of directors has considered carefully the judgement of the Supreme Court in the unsuccessful appeal by the former Rangers Football Club PLC (in liquidation) ("Rangers OldCo") against the decision of the Inner House of the Court of Session finding that OldCo acted unlawfully in failing to deduct and pay over to HMRC, PAYE income tax, from payments made by it to EBTs for many of its registered players." Read more at https://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl-press-release-84/#LOvVZvIJC6HwZpzV.99 I'm hoping we are also pursuing SPFL for reason why they included 'unlawfully' in their statement I think this is the crux of the matter - Jerry Moynihan didnt use this word "unlawfully" in his findings - the SPFL decided to include it as the segue into Moynahans findings- and everybody else has subsequently used it. The BBC will simply say they were quoting the statement. Of course that doesnt excuse English from trying to make a false statement a truism, and getting his arse felt by Maugham in the process but it's probably enough to get the BBC off the hook in this case. Its the SPFL that should be queried as to why they decided to include the word. P.S. dont quote The art of War D'art Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,453 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 For sale: Pseudo-intellectual waffle. £18.72 ONO Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 12,686 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Ozblue said: Well done,D'Art (as usual) I never just read an article from D'Art and instantly agree with it; I find it more rewarding to read the entire article then try and find a fault or something I could disagree with, but in this case it's hard to disagree with any of it. Keep your finger on the pulse,young man. Only fault I thought I had found was when Stuart morphed into Stewart .... But I now believe it to be a cunning subliminal message purposely placed by D'Art ... that gives reference to solidify the difference between understanding and misunderstanding .... deliberate and intended .... lawful and unlawful ..... avoidance and evasion .... all traits that the media baton carrying employers and employees up here in the media find difficult to separate when reporting about anything to do with The Rangers ... before invariably wrongly choosing the negative form ... thereby confirming collusion of their intended malice. Of course it could be just a typo right enough mate ... but I prefer my explanation ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,610 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 These scumbags carry the baton because they volunteer for it and always will until we start kicking arse for real! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Bobby Hume said: Only fault I thought I had found was when Stuart morphed into Stewart .... But I now believe it to be a cunning subliminal message purposely placed by D'Art ... that gives reference to solidify the difference between understanding and misunderstanding .... deliberate and intended .... lawful and unlawful ..... avoidance and evasion .... all traits that the media baton carrying employers and employees up here in the media find difficult to separate when reporting about anything to do with The Rangers ... before invariably wrongly choosing the negative form ... thereby confirming collusion of their intended malice. Of course it could be just a typo right enough mate ... but I prefer my explanation ...... There was no fault there.Mr. Hume That was D'Art just using his old Marine tactic of confusing the enemy of which actual person wrote the piece; was it Stuart Weir or was it Stewart Weir? Confusion causes doubt and doubt causes confusion. D'Art has once again pulled a master stroke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,498 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Missed your blogs D'Art Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,238 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Great to see you posting again Dart Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountaineer 452 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 5 hours ago, D'Artagnan said: “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” (Sun Tzu – The Art of War) Those who have followed both the reporting and coverage of the Supreme Court’s ruling regarding Rangers use of EBT’s could probably hazard a fairly good guess guess as to who the enemy is. It would be inaccurate to say, “they broke cover” as many entering the fray would be filed under the category of “the usual suspects”. Perhaps my favourite observation at the time came from not within our support, but from the Head of Sport at the Herald, Stuart Weir who reflected via Twitter “Still folk out there who've only watched Kavanagh QC (while evidently downing bottles of QC sherry) arguing with real QC's Pass the popcorn” Stewart would probably have required an extra-large bag if the dogged stance of Tom English was anything to go by. The latter’s debate with QC and Tax Specialist Joylon Maugham was the twitter equivalent of “death by a thousand tweets” as the assertions of English were ceremoniously and clinically lanced as if the BBC reporter’s line of reasoning was little more than a septic boil. Of course, that didn’t stop BBC Scotland running with the erroneous and inaccurate “unlawful” accusation in their news bulletins. And its at this point I would respectfully suggest our enemy recognition becomes somewhat clouded. Who approved the inclusion and creation of the word “unlawful” and who, with editorial responsibility deemed it appropriate and accurate? It is refreshing that this inaccuracy will not go without challenge, and Club 1872 have already intimated that this will be subject of a complaint. I suspect those of us who have previously trodden this path could predict the pattern – rejection and escalation, rinse and repeat until it is eventually deferred to Ofcom for a ruling. (From 3 April 2017, Ofcom replaced the BBC Trust as first regulator) When it does arrive on their doorstep I hope Ofcom reflect that it is not the first complaint from Rangers supporters regarding the accuracy of the organisation’s output north of the border. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22951447 It didn’t require tax experts and QC’s however to punch fairly large holes in BBC Scotland’s adopted stance. Frankie from Gersnet skewered BBC Scotland’s Chris McGlaughin to the point the latter was unable to form a reply to some probing questions. However, as with Tom English , Frankie makes a critical observation in response to Joylon Maugham. “What you may not realise Jo, is that BBC Scotland's default position on Rangers has to be maximum negative. Tom merely carrying that baton.” Might I respectfully suggest that there is a very large ball about to land in the court of Ofcom. Merely adjudicating on the matter is not sufficient, not given the previous failings of the organisation as alluded to earlier. The role of the unnamed, unseen baton carriers needs to be examined thoroughly, including systems and processes which allowed inaccurate and erroneous broadcasting to once again pass as acceptable, accurate and impartial. Sometimes adjudication like a medical diagnosis is not sufficient, merely identifying a septic boil is not enough – it requires to be lanced and cleansed. D'art , Really missing your comments and it is so good to see this articulate piece ,it is wonderful ,well done Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basrah Bear 2,981 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 6 hours ago, Malvern said: WTF does a legal QC who only had to study rigourously for 5-7 years and have exerience in the legal system in this field have that qualifies him to poo poo the arguements of our esteemed journalists in this country who have spent at least 3 years getting a qualification in printing shite and swearing blind that the right thing is in fact wrong. Bloody cheek of that QC! Someone needs to have a word with him. That's not how it works in Scotland any more. ah but hes no got a scotvec cert like the esteemed journalist AKA the hag has. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 33,946 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 You wonder what the main BBC think of the way BBC Scotland deal with Rangers . As an institution that supposedly prides itself for its neutrality , they must shake their heads at their Scottish counterparts doing their best to undermine that position . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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