Blue Nosed Babe 20,526 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, JamieD said: I appreciate that it makes people uncomfortable, but athletics isn't supposed to be fair. The people with natural gifts are supposed to excel. There are, as far as I'm aware, no plans to ban men with higher than normal testosterone, or any other biological advantage. They aren't testing long distance runners and insisting that anybody with a red blood cell volume over 50% should be disqualified for having an unfair advantage, so why this focus on people like Semenya? Ironically I'd bet when she lines up for the 800m she'll be the only one not cheating. The only way she got beat in the 800 was by a Russian doper. Maybe they will look into these things. On tv they said there may be news in September. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle 53,527 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, JamieD said: I didn't say he has high testosterone levels, I said he's a physical freak. He has uncommonly long legs for a person with the high density of fast twitch muscle fibres required to be a top-level sprinter. This means that, like other sprinters, he has explosivity, but unlike other sprinters, he doesn't have to take as many strides to cover 100m, which means less fatigue. This is a distinct physical advantage which, like Semenya's, is a natural gift but, unlike Semenya's, nobody talks about as unfair, for reasons I can't quite understand. If the argument is that her gift means nobody else gets a chance, so what? Nobody else got a chance in men's sprinting for the last 9 years. I don't think undescended testes (and if true, no ovaries or uterus) is a gift. I know she 'identifies' as a female and was brought up as a girl - but intersex characteristics give her an unfair advantage over women athletes imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,881 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Sparkle said: I don't think undescended testes (and if true, no ovaries or uterus) is a gift. I know she 'identifies' as a female and was brought up as a girl - but intersex characteristics give her an unfair advantage over women athletes imo. It's very clearly a physical gift as far as athletics goes, which is what we're talking about. Why is her advantage unfair but every other athlete's physical advantages aren't? Is it a question of degree, or absolute? If an athlete's heightened testosterone was being produced by her ovaries rather than undescended testes, would that be ok in your opinion? Would it be ok for an intersex athlete to run if, for whatever reason, her testosterone was at "normal" levels for a woman? Is there a particular level beyond which it's "unfair"? Should the fairness be measured in how much of an advantage is being gained, and how do you propose we measure that? Until these very complicated questions have been explored in depth, I don't see how the sport can even begin to talk about the issue as if anybody has any idea of what terms like "fair" would even mean. The reality is that this will have been happening in women's sprinting and middle distance running since day one. Many athletes probably won't even know they are intersex. The list of the top 10 800m runners in history reads like a who's who of either suspected intersex athletes or Eastern Bloc robots from the 1980s. Notably, Semenya is not in the top 10 times, yet she has to bear the burden of the debate. I feel sorry for her. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 She can run 7 seconds faster over that distance, I know it is tactical and not quite as simple but if you are at the top of your form ignore the field and lap at the times you know can give you that time and the gold medal is yours. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingObv 10,639 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, pcbear said: She can run 7 seconds faster over that distance, I know it is tactical and not quite as simple but if you are at the top of your form ignore the field and lap at the times you know can give you that time and the gold medal is yours. You do far more work when front running. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingObv 10,639 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Curious to what a fresh Van Niekerk can do the 200 in. 9.93 speed mixed with 43 over the 400 should mean 19.6ish at worst, and potentially far faster. The guy is a freak. If he makes the 200 final it will be something like his 6th race in 7 days which isn't ideal, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
left winger 14,105 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 10 hours ago, JamieD said: Seemed like terrible tactics from the group to go slow and not shake off Semenya, and terrible tactics from Semenya to leave it so late. Exactly, it was horrendous tactics from Muir. She went straight to the front and kept it slow - an athlete who is also doing the 5000 thinks it makes sense to keep it slow when Semanya is in the race - a 800m specialist! It was like watching an Yvonne Murray race from 25/30 years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Ive come on this thread and there is not one fucking picture of any of the birds ffs Have a long look at yourselves Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamie 4,830 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 28 minutes ago, thehost said: Ive come on this thread and there is not one fucking picture of any of the birds ffs Have a long look at yourselves Here you go mate. This is the one JamieD has been creaming himself over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Quote of the tournament has to be Gatlin's dead saying that booing is 'disrespecting the sport'. Not like cheating is at all disrespectful Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don logan 8,057 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 The Dutch sprinter Schiffers would scrub up well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueballss 2,969 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 American 400m female winner, using the word spastic in her discussion with the panel, bbc had to apologise as it was used in an American context Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 15,990 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Oor lynsey running noo! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueballss 2,969 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 some blokes in this long jump comp for women...give semenya a run for his money Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueballss 2,969 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 unlucky lynsey Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle 53,527 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, blueballss said: unlucky lynsey Disqualified ☹️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueballss 2,969 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 lynsey disqualified Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueballss 2,969 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 wambui in this 800m ...come on, no even hiding it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 15,990 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Sparkle said: Disqualified ☹️ Whit fur? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueballss 2,969 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Just now, dummiesoot said: Whit fur? pulling back lassie near line allegedly Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 15,990 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 minute ago, blueballss said: wambui in this 800m ...come on, no even hiding it Cock slapping as she run thr back straight Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueballss 2,969 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Just now, dummiesoot said: Cock slapping as she run thr back straight trying no to look....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle 53,527 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 These two will take Gold and silver, wonder why? Pity for Sharp right enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
left winger 14,105 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Sparkle said: These two will take Gold and silver, wonder why? Pity for Sharp right enough. They're faster? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle 53,527 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, left winger said: They're faster? Men usually are Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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