falkirkNS 6,298 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 We are banging on about the left side/wing, from what I've seen of this kid not as much as a few others on here get to see the 20s but he's the standout, with him being involved with the first team with barjonas and few others towards the end of last season, I was hoping he'd be getting bench time at least. Watching the highlights from 20s game v Southampton on Monday and he;s head and shoulders above the rest of the lads. Well taken goals with composure, direct, great control and pacey, what more for a sniff at the first team? Thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 He's the type of player whom I'd like to see get a run out inLeague Cup games, however, after Luxembourg, our manager cannot afford another fuk up. That said he looks like a real prospect and I'd hope he can push for a place this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thewhitesettler 2,711 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 We should be giving these youngsters some proper game time, to see if they can handle it. If we were putting games to bed, earlier in the game, we could afford to bring these young guys on. Knowing our luck we'll have to blood them early, due to injuries to 1st team squad members, although that might no be a bad thing...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose244 2,618 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Thewhitesettler said: We should be giving these youngsters some proper game time, to see if they can handle it. If we were putting games to bed, earlier in the game, we could afford to bring these young guys on. Knowing our luck we'll have to blood them early, due to injuries to 1st team squad members, although that might no be a bad thing...? Need to be killing teams off early if we want to bleed in these lads. Can't bring in youth players if you insist on winning games the hard way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 The issue for the youth players at the moment is we are still trying to knit a team together after a load of changes. Until we are settled I can't see Pedro experimenting too much. He wants momentum and cohesion Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I'm all for bringing through youngsters when they are ready to bring something to our team that improves what we already have; but at this point in time young Serge Atakayi doesn't have it. If you listen to what Graham Murty says and what Elfideldo writes on here you will realise that Atakayi is a good prospect but he is the type of player that will be a world beater for a short spell and then disappear for half a game (very much like Josh Windass against Motherwell) and that he needs to knuckle down a great deal before he can even think of getting into our 1st team squad. He certainly sounds a good prospect, but that's all he is at the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 You will also never know if a youngster can "cut it" until he gets a chance Radford got a game at Man Utd through default. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smell the hotdog 4,015 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, trueblueal said: The issue for the youth players at the moment is we are still trying to knit a team together after a load of changes. Until we are settled I can't see Pedro experimenting too much. He wants momentum and cohesion This, would love to give the likes of Serge & Barjonas game time tonight but Pedro can't afford another slip up so early after Europe. It's far more important for our 1st team to gel and get players match fit (i.e Dorrans) gain a bit more momentum for the Hibs & Hearts games coming up. Tav for Hodson, Morelos for Miller and possibly rest Bruno. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfideldo 4,400 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Some people might find this suprising. There is a massive difference between Motherwell or Dunfermline and Southampton Under 18's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,251 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, trueblueal said: The issue for the youth players at the moment is we are still trying to knit a team together after a load of changes. Until we are settled I can't see Pedro experimenting too much. He wants momentum and cohesion And rightly so Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveSmith92 4 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Best thing to do would be to loan him out for 6 months or so if he plays him in the league or the cups and the team have a shocker then people will be quick to point the finger at pedro and start the pedro out campaign again! Very slight player no doubting the talent though Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyboyblue 226 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Saw him play at Nuneaton v psv TBH he didn't look a standout on that occasion. That was boys (Rangers youths) versus men. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaka 1,669 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Don't see any harm in bringing on a couple of youth players of the bench in cup games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterC 12,258 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Ozblue said: I'm all for bringing through youngsters when they are ready to bring something to our team that improves what we already have; but at this point in time young Serge Atakayi doesn't have it. If you listen to what Graham Murty says and what Elfideldo writes on here you will realise that Atakayi is a good prospect but he is the type of player that will be a world beater for a short spell and then disappear for half a game (very much like Josh Windass against Motherwell) and that he needs to knuckle down a great deal before he can even think of getting into our 1st team squad. He certainly sounds a good prospect, but that's all he is at the moment. Hopefully his progress will serge ahead and can improve his atakying play Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlands plater 16,957 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Sometimes you have to take a gamble on a youngster, we can't keep them all wrapped in cotton wool until they're in their 20s. Look at some of the great names of the past who broke through at 16, 17 and 18 - Henderson, Bud, DJ, Durrant, the two Fergusons to name a few. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 7 hours ago, trueblueal said: The issue for the youth players at the moment is we are still trying to knit a team together after a load of changes. Until we are settled I can't see Pedro experimenting too much. He wants momentum and cohesion This! We need to find some form and settle down after so many changes ( again) before we think about 'trying' youth out. It's one thing bringing them into a settled winning team but another to see what they have at this moment in time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 15 minutes ago, harlands plater said: Sometimes you have to take a gamble on a youngster, we can't keep them all wrapped in cotton wool until they're in their 20s. Look at some of the great names of the past who broke through at 16, 17 and 18 - Henderson, Bud, DJ, Durrant, the two Fergusons to name a few. They all 'broke' through into fairly settled and winning teams - we need a wee period of consolidation before any more experimentation Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthranger 3,863 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Elfideldo said: Some people might find this suprising. There is a massive difference between Motherwell or Dunfermline and Southampton Under 18's. So true! People don't appreciate how much of a step up it is from youth football to any level of the professional game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC Eagle 4,888 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, plymouthranger said: So true! People don't appreciate how much of a step up it is from youth football to any level of the professional game. They will also have the Challenge Cup games to get some extra experience. It was interesting that Graeme Murty has put the programme of games together to give them some different experiences from what they've had from playing in Scotland. He said as much after the Southampton game. I'd rather we use the players in the first team squad that are on the fringes for now, the youth players seem to have a decent set of fixtures to challenge and develop them for the future. They have time and some interesting experience to gain this season. Lets hope they can learn and improve from them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy 2,518 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 They will be playing the best teams in europe under 20s this season they will learn far more from that than sitting on the bench hoping we go 3 nil up in game just so they can get last ten minutes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlands plater 16,957 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 46 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said: They all 'broke' through into fairly settled and winning teams - we need a wee period of consolidation before any more experimentation DJ came into a team in 1970 a distant third behind the tarriers and Aberdeen. Durrant and Derek Ferguson broke through in the early to mid 80s, when we had one of the worst Rangers teams in living memory. And they improved hat team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 2 hours ago, harlands plater said: DJ came into a team in 1970 a distant third behind the tarriers and Aberdeen. Durrant and Derek Ferguson broke through in the early to mid 80s, when we had one of the worst Rangers teams in living memory. And they improved hat team. Neither of those teams ( while poor by our standards) were 'unstable' - we have just signed 9 new players forming the basis of our current team - when the players you named came in their impact could be judged - in the current set up it would be difficult to either judge their impact and also difficult to allow them the time required to help young players along. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 On 09/08/2017 at 10:32 PM, MisterC said: Hopefully his progress will serge ahead and can improve his atakying play Only you could come away with that line,Colin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterC 12,258 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Ozblue said: Only you could come away with that line,Colin It's the way I tell 'em! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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