bluewhitevanman 1,619 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I never made it yesterday but I watched the game since and without a doubt Miller shouldn't be starting week in week out nor should niko. I think Miller would make more of a contribution to the games coming on in the last 15-20 minutes when teams are starting to tire rather than playing the first hour or so. I want Pedro to succeed without a doubt but if this is going to be a permanent thing with they 2 playing all the time then it might just be his downfall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Bluepeter9 said: And is that not being part of it? Or are you so up yer own arse on this you refuse to seee any contribution? There's you going all defensive again on your crusade. No I'm staying that he played a part in it but not the key part. He simply passed an easy ball, the class of the receiving player set up the chance which was taken by an efficient finisher. As per assists definition Miller did not assist. He played a part in the build up. As much as the player who got the ball to him. And the player that got the ball to that individual. So I'm as far up my arse to recognise his true contribution. A pass, not setting up a goal. That's all. Strange that my factual analysis bothers you re a player you defend for the ability to be found in goal scoring opportunities but fail miserably on each and every occasion to score... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Alfredo Morelos Rangers 67 minsper goal 333 minsplayed 5Goals scored 0 Assists Michael O'Halloran St Johnstone 75 minsper goal 376 minsplayed 5Goals scored 0 Assists Callum McGregor celtic 115 minsper goal 346 minsplayed 3Goals scored 2 Assists Scott Sinclair celtic 120 minsper goal 360 minsplayed 3Goals scored 2 Assists Louis Moult Motherwell 125 minsper goal 374 minsplayed 3Goals scored 1 Assists Leigh Griffiths celtic 103 minsper goal 205 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Rakish Bingham Hamilton 135 minsper goal 270 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Esmael Gonçalves Hearts 137 minsper goal 274 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Chris Erskine Partick Thistle 151 minsper goal 302 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Ryan Bowman Motherwell 155 minsper goal 309 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Steven MacLean St Johnstone 169 minsper goal 337 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Stevie May Aberdeen 170 minsper goal 339 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Anthony Stokes Hibernian 190 minsper goal 379 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Simon Murray Hibernian 212 minsper goal 423 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Graham Dorrans Rangers 216 minsper goal 432 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Blair Spittal Partick Thistle 179 minsper goal 179 minsplayed 1Goals scored 2 Assists James Tavernier Rangers 388 minsper goal 388 minsplayed 1Goals scored 2 Assists Josh Windass Rangers 269 minsper goal 269 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Christopher Routis Ross County 283 minsper goal 283 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Ryan Christie Aberdeen 363 minsper goal 363 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists David Wotherspoon St Johnstone 414 minsper goal 414 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Richard Tait Motherwell 430 minsper goal 430 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Ali Crawford Hamilton 436 minsper goal 436 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Shaleum Logan Aberdeen 450 minsper goal 450 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Darian MacKinnon Hamilton 450 minsper goal 450 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists And yet super King Kenny Miller doesn't even make this list........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMckee 3,420 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Not sure what it is with blue peter9 but always seems to want to go against the general opinion similar to the Ali situation. Think he must like being the minority or the underdog of sorts. Any player that plays makes a 'contribution' to the game but is it worthwhile being on the pitch? Only 11 players can play out of a squad of 25 or so. The 11 that the manager picks to play should be the 11 that will make the greatest contribution in their respected positions. So does Kenny Miller and niko make a better contribution than others that can play there? The answer is quit simply no and was proven when Pena and windass came on as they BOTH scored and windass set up Pena. So they both combined for one of the goals also. And don't give me this niko and Kenny wore them down rubbish as it is laughable. In no way am I hating on niko and Kenny but it is clear to see that there are others that can play and contribute more to the team! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacktonBear 13 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 It's clear that Pedro wants his team to play with tempo and Kenny and Niko can't offer that any more! With Nemane & DJ coming in on loan and Windass & Pena getting fitter hopefully we will start to see the two older heads transition out. No doubt though that they will still have a role to play this season though, as they are still very good footballers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 15 minutes ago, MrMckee said: Not sure what it is with blue peter9 but always seems to want to go against the general opinion similar to the Ali situation. Think he must like being the minority or the underdog of sorts. Any player that plays makes a 'contribution' to the game but is it worthwhile being on the pitch? Only 11 players can play out of a squad of 25 or so. The 11 that the manager picks to play should be the 11 that will make the greatest contribution in their respected positions. So does Kenny Miller and niko make a better contribution than others that can play there? The answer is quit simply no and was proven when Pena and windass came on as they BOTH scored and windass set up Pena. So they both combined for one of the goals also. And don't give me this niko and Kenny wore them down rubbish as it is laughable. In no way am I hating on niko and Kenny but it is clear to see that there are others that can play and contribute more to the team! Ageist witchhunting hater ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMckee 3,420 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Ageist witchhunting hater ? Isn't Alves older than Niko? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 30 minutes ago, MrMckee said: Isn't Alves older than Niko? Grrrrrrrrrrr. Damn you and those sensible facts. Pitch forks out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Both should never be starting, but if Pedro can't see this then you have to question his thinking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,479 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Both should never be starting, but if Pedro can't see this then you have to question his thinking. Can't disagree. Pedro's more at fault than either of them for starting them in the first place. Will be the end of him if he persists with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camshy 812 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 There is no room for sentiment, fact is Niko has now played a few games and failed to be a threat in the match. You dont perform you dont play, its quite simple. I have a little sympathy for him as he is played put of position but the cold truth is he lacks the ability to move to have an impact in Scotland where the pace is frenetic at times...........I remember at the start of the season a few silly comments on here saying we should build a team around him. Really ? WtF are some folk on ! Miller is also another fortunate ome to keep finding himself on the pitch, performance levels are just not there but unlike Niko I think he can still be used sparingly as a sub or in games of lesss importance. A guy who seems to be escaping the attention of the majority of fans is Wallace. Another who seems way past his best and IMO offers very little stability to the team......I worry how long Pedro persits with this as it will cost us the chance to improve if his levels remain the same or get worse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.C. 18,761 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Miller will be in the hall of fame one day but he is playing like he is suffering with Alzheimer's this season, that pass he fucked up when he had all the time in world was painful viewing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
writingranger 1,413 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 they're both fine. Just not at the same time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackAlex93 11,260 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Miller is finished IMO. Thanks for all your efforts, scored goals in big games and done us a turn over the years but his time in a blue jersey should be finished. Niko would have been a good signing 5 years ago, not now, came here for an easy retirement yet has struggled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 On 09/09/2017 at 17:23, BridgeIsBlue said: Absolutely terrible the pair of them. Never again must they play for us. Lee Wallace & Josh Windass like this ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,112 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Nico screwed up that 3 (or 4) v 1 break in the second half, with the most lacksadaisical pass I've ever seen. Time's up, in my view. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 11 hours ago, writingranger said: they're both fine. Just not at the same time. As in we can carry one passenger but not two? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackrfc95 4,255 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Thinking a few games ahead Miller is never going to be dropped for an old firm game so we're either going with 2 up top or Miller will be playing in midfield Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,890 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Both dont deserve to start just now and starting both in same side is stupid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,890 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, jackrfc95 said: Thinking a few games ahead Miller is never going to be dropped for an old firm game so we're either going with 2 up top or Miller will be playing in midfield If we go 4-4-2 against the Taigs they'll destroy us. We need to go 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 for game against them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlands plater 16,975 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I know Miller has scored regularly against the tarriers but it's time to use him as an impact sub. As for Kranjcar I wouldn't even have him the squad for that game. I don't think Pena is ready for it either, if he ever will be. Sticks in my craw to say it but I'm relying on Windass to swallow some brave pills and make an impact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown Brogues 223 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Both Miller and Niko should be used as substitutes, saturday proved this beyond doubt. However I still think Miller and Niko have a part to play and their experience will be beneficial to the younger guys in the squad. Regardless of where niko starts or not he should be nowhere near left wing, he was crouched with hands on his knees 30 mins in on saturday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 15 hours ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Alfredo Morelos Rangers 67 minsper goal 333 minsplayed 5Goals scored 0 Assists Michael O'Halloran St Johnstone 75 minsper goal 376 minsplayed 5Goals scored 0 Assists Callum McGregor celtic 115 minsper goal 346 minsplayed 3Goals scored 2 Assists Scott Sinclair celtic 120 minsper goal 360 minsplayed 3Goals scored 2 Assists Louis Moult Motherwell 125 minsper goal 374 minsplayed 3Goals scored 1 Assists Leigh Griffiths celtic 103 minsper goal 205 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Rakish Bingham Hamilton 135 minsper goal 270 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Esmael Gonçalves Hearts 137 minsper goal 274 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Chris Erskine Partick Thistle 151 minsper goal 302 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Ryan Bowman Motherwell 155 minsper goal 309 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Steven MacLean St Johnstone 169 minsper goal 337 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Stevie May Aberdeen 170 minsper goal 339 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Anthony Stokes Hibernian 190 minsper goal 379 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Simon Murray Hibernian 212 minsper goal 423 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Graham Dorrans Rangers 216 minsper goal 432 minsplayed 2Goals scored 0 Assists Blair Spittal Partick Thistle 179 minsper goal 179 minsplayed 1Goals scored 2 Assists James Tavernier Rangers 388 minsper goal 388 minsplayed 1Goals scored 2 Assists Josh Windass Rangers 269 minsper goal 269 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Christopher Routis Ross County 283 minsper goal 283 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Ryan Christie Aberdeen 363 minsper goal 363 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists David Wotherspoon St Johnstone 414 minsper goal 414 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Richard Tait Motherwell 430 minsper goal 430 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Ali Crawford Hamilton 436 minsper goal 436 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Shaleum Logan Aberdeen 450 minsper goal 450 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists Darian MacKinnon Hamilton 450 minsper goal 450 minsplayed 1Goals scored 1 Assists And yet super King Kenny Miller doesn't even make this list........ It hits home what we all really knew his Good days have come and gone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 12 hours ago, Courtyard Bear said: Both should never be starting, but if Pedro can't see this then you have to question his thinking. its my single biggest concern right now. Everything else seems to be coming together nicely, but starting Miller and Nico makes no sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gid 46 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Niko will be replaced by Windass in the Jags game. Unfortunately I can't see Kenny being dropped until after the tims game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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