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4 minutes ago, BlueThunder said:

I made the point earlier that there is a  possibility Jack tried to get sent off. I can’t be sure of course but at the time I immediately thought that Broadfoot and him were in cahoots in order to stick the final knife into Pedro. However I did wonder if that was the case then why he didn’t do so earlier, rather than wait until the penalty.

If we go down that road we'd be 2nd guessing everything that happened at the club, really cant see a professional doing that. He's just let the pressure of Rangers get to him, thinks hes a bit of a hard man and is being made to look silly, needs to get his head sorted quickly 

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1 hour ago, Valance1690 said:

Definetley dont think he deserved a red but he puts himself in these situations, all he has to do is walk away and let Candeias hit the penalty. Hes been highlighted now as someone who can be wound up very easily and fully expect him to get more reds this season.

Yeah your 100 per cent right,hopefully the new manager can come in and have  word for him to cut it out wether it DM or whoever it may be,pedro never had skills to combat these situations

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32 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

 

You're not going to defend a Rangers player who got red carded due to a professional player cheating to get him sent off? Have you condemned Broadfoot anywhere yet?

"HE" totally breaks the concentration of Candeais? Not the player repeatedly stomping on him?

Sacrifice? Personal pride? Is this Mills and fucking Boon you're writing?

He absolutely is stupid for getting sucked in and mugged off. I too would have preferred him to walk away but that's easier said than done. At a time all and sundry folk were demanding our players man up we all wish he'd just walked away and laughed but in the heat of the moment what we really wanted in hindsight was our central midfielder to back down in Ibrox to a cunt coming wide. 

It's also a very unwelcome disruption but one Candeais is detached from. He was able to stay away from it all and focus. He didn't, that feeble attempt was abysmal and showed no composure which he had all the time in the world to have. It's not like he was hugely involved in the melee.

I'll slate Jack for not being wise enough, getting involved again, and being devoid of the savvy required to see he's getting set up.

You stick to listening to your sheep pals advice and looking to denounce a Rangers player for being sent off for a yellow card offence and making all the blame his?.

    Looking to denounce a Rangers player?     Rather than Mills and Boon, that sounds like a BBC costume drama.  You "slate" Jack, calling him stupid,  but obviously don't commit that cardinal sin of denouncing?  Then you attempt to justify him pushing, and acting like a Lassie, as though it is him standing up and being physical.  Candeias for his penalty. He had all the time to compose himself?  Maybe he should have asked for another five minutes then, and he might have scored.

  More straw men in that essay  than will be at the top of those bonfires ,come the 5th next month. That denounce thing sounds like something they do with priests that get found out. 

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Not sure if being mentioned but at the time it was obvious Candeias was not in the right frame of mind to take the penalty after all that shit.  Alves, as captain should have taken the ball off him and either hit it himself or passed to another player. 

Alves can never be captain in my eyes now.

As an aside, Jack should have laughed at broadfoot and walked away or called the ref's notice to it - the jersey at the moment is too big for him and he needs someone to settle him down - mcinness???

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30 minutes ago, Orange Persson said:

    Looking to denounce a Rangers player?     Rather than Mills and Boon, that sounds like a BBC costume drama.  You "slate" Jack, calling him stupid,  but obviously don't commit that cardinal sin of denouncing?  Then you attempt to justify him pushing, and acting like a Lassie, as though it is him standing up and being physical.  Candeias for his penalty. He had all the time to compose himself?  Maybe he should have asked for another five minutes then, and he might have scored.

  More straw men in that essay  than will be at the top of those bonfires ,come the 5th next month. That denounce thing sounds like something they do with priests that get found out. 

????

Still not blaming Broadfoot? Not deflecting from or ignoring that point now are you..... ?

Still all Jack's fault? For getting sent off for a yellow card offence. Referee, linesman, 4th official Broadfoot nope. Our player for a yellow card offence :no:

Now Candeais didn't have time to compose himself ??.

The stupid and slate comments are fair imo as he's not blameless. But when someone stamps on your toes pushing them away IS standing up for yourself ?.

But nor is he the most blameworthy party for the penalty miss. Despite how much you dislike him.

Jack has now had 3 red cards, one of which was for standardish fouls that others get away with week in week out. 2 have or will turn out to be yellows. He needs to wisen up to folk looking to cheat to get him sent off, and refs being conned by incidents involving him and having a predetermined idea that he's a troublemaker. It's stupid if he doesn't see this happening

But if you cant see that he's been hard done by rather than the guilty party in all of this then your agenda is clouding your sheep influenced judgement. Denounce away ?

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26 minutes ago, moody blue 1972 said:

Not sure if being mentioned but at the time it was obvious Candeias was not in the right frame of mind to take the penalty after all that shit.  Alves, as captain should have taken the ball off him and either hit it himself or passed to another player. 

Alves can never be captain in my eyes now.

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2 minutes ago, moody blue 1972 said:

:confused:

Because Alves never used his psychological skills to assess Candeais mindset and take the ball from a player who had the confidence to step forward (and at no time showed an intimation he didnt want to take it), possibly negatively affecting his future confidence, he can now based on that decision never be captain. ... .

Yeah :confused:

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Just now, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Because Alves never used his psychological skills to assess Candeais mindset and take the ball from a player who had the confidence to step forward (and at no time showed an intimation he didnt want to take it), possibly negatively affecting his future confidence, he can now based on that decision never be captain. ... .

Yeah :confused:

because it was obvious to everyone that candeias did not want it after all that shit - yeah

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I was raging with Jack on weds night as i felt he should have walked away under provocation, imo it totally made the team lose the plot and when we missed the penalty i knew they would score on the break.

If he continues to perform like he did yesterday at Murrayfield then i will begin to forgive him.

Broadfoot is a wank for doing that, as was Stokes, but Jack needs to learn to deal with shite like that.

 

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Btw Candeias missing the penalty didn't cost us the game, it was 1-0 at that point, they broke up the park with us in dissarray and missing Jack who is supposed to break up play and scored.

Jack is doing what the mongo done when he first signed for the beggars, with his daft red cards, he simply won't get off with anything playing for Rangers.

Prime example is putting his head into Garner while at the sheep, nothing.

Does the same to stokes for us and it's a red.

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14 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

????

Still not blaming Broadfoot? Not deflecting from or ignoring that point now are you..... ?

Still all Jack's fault? For getting sent off for a yellow card offence. Referee, linesman, 4th official Broadfoot nope. Our player for a yellow card offence :no:

Now Candeais didn't have time to compose himself ??.

The stupid and slate comments are fair imo as he's not blameless. But when someone stamps on your toes pushing them away IS standing up for yourself ?.

But nor is he the most blameworthy party for the penalty miss. Despite how much you dislike him.

Jack has now had 3 red cards, one of which was for standardish fouls that others get away with week in week out. 2 have or will turn out to be yellows. He needs to wisen up to folk looking to cheat to get him sent off, and refs being conned by incidents involving him and having a predetermined idea that he's a troublemaker. It's stupid if he doesn't see this happening

But if you cant see that he's been hard done by rather than the guilty party in all of this then your agenda is clouding your sheep influenced judgement. Denounce away ?

Jack raked his studs down Broadfoot’s leg and two hand pushed him. Aye he was provoked but that’s a moot point given his reaction. It’s a red card all day. 

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we could be here all day mate - all opinions but  just what I think and have spoken to a few folk about it who all think the same.  imagine few others think I'm barking :cheers:

and, yes, perhaps candeias should have said as well

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Just now, Sasa Papac's War Flashbac. said:

Jack raked his studs down Broadfoot’s leg and two hand pushed him. Aye he was provoked but that’s a moot point given his reaction. It’s a red card all day. 

I thought that, to the letter of the law (even if it's hardly applied and harsh) that if you push someone that's raising your hands and can see you sent off? 

Broadfoot is still a cunt though. Thought it when he was a Rangers player too for the way he spoke to Bears at Glasgow Airport. He's a pish player and an even worse person. 

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1 minute ago, plumbGER said:

Btw Candeias missing the penalty didn't cost us the game, it was 1-0 at that point, they broke up the park with us in dissarray and missing Jack who is supposed to break up play and scored.

Jack is doing what the mongo done when he first signed for the beggars, with his daft red cards, he simply won't get off with anything playing for Rangers.

Prime example is putting his head into Garner while at the sheep, nothing.

Does the same to stokes for us and it's a red.

Candeais missing that penalty absolutely cost us full points as you don't gave a sniff at 2 nil down in the last minute.

Jack missing influenced our defending a breakaway. Tav defending or lack of gave Burke the opportunity.

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Just now, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Candeais missing that penalty absolutely cost us full points as you don't gave a sniff at 2 nil down in the last minute.

Jack missing influenced our defending a breakaway. Tav defending or lack of gave Burke the opportunity.

Nope, we still compose ourselves and see out the win with 11 on the park and players composed.

The confusion in the stands would have been mirrored on the pitch, and that cost us.

Sure if he scores we see it out without a doubt even given the crazy circumstances but he should have known better to get involved, he needs to learn not to be so easy wound up.

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2 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

I thought that, to the letter of the law (even if it's hardly applied and harsh) that if you push someone that's raising your hands and can see you sent off? 

Broadfoot is still a cunt though. Thought it when he was a Rangers player too for the way he spoke to Bears at Glasgow Airport. He's a pish player and an even worse person. 

If that was correct you'd end up with 6 a side most weeks. Pushing a player would (except for Rangers players) earn a yellow card. It doesn't fit the 'violent conduct' criteria. Its barely a yellow card, the red was for an alleged, but mythical, headbutt.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouls_and_misconduct_(association_football)

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1 minute ago, RFC Eagle said:

If that was correct you'd end up with 6 a side most weeks. Pushing a player would (except for Rangers players) earn a yellow card. It doesn't fit the 'violent conduct' criteria. Its barely a yellow card, the red was for an alleged, but mythical, headbutt.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouls_and_misconduct_(association_football)

Well I don't know that's why I was asking. The term raising your hands is a grey area tbh as pushing someone is raising your hands and I've seen wanky ref's send people off for it before, even if it's harsh.

Jack's an idiot for continually getting involved by Broadfoot is a cheating cunt. Which is miles worse.

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10 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

I thought that, to the letter of the law (even if it's hardly applied and harsh) that if you push someone that's raising your hands and can see you sent off? 

Broadfoot is still a cunt though. Thought it when he was a Rangers player too for the way he spoke to Bears at Glasgow Airport. He's a pish player and an even worse person. 

Broadfoot’s an arsehole, no doubt. But Jack’s a bigger arsehole for reacting like that. He’s been excellent for us other than these flashes of poor discipline. 

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2 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Exactly what I'm saying.

Not get sucked in and conned.

Yes, get stuck in during the game and make your mark, but be clever under provocation and walk away.

You are no use to the team sitting in an early bath.

He will hopefully learn from this and have a wee think about how he conducts himself in future.

I take your point about Tav being posted missing, but the last few seasons it has been well illustrated that Tav struggles with concentration and that carry on wouldn't have helped.

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5 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

Well I don't know that's why I was asking. The term raising your hands is a grey area tbh as pushing someone is raising your hands and I've seen wanky ref's send people off for it before, even if it's harsh.

Jack's an idiot for continually getting involved by Broadfoot is a cheating cunt. Which is miles worse.

I think the standards he is judged at as a Rangers player, by officials, is a different level than he is used to and the provocation is up a few notches. It will take him time to adjust but it's something he has to deal with or he'll be of no use to us. 

He can't do anything about the cheats and thugs who confront him but it's in his hands to learn to rise above it and get his revenge by winning games against them.

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2 minutes ago, RFC Eagle said:

I think the standards he is judged at as a Rangers player, by officials, is a different level than he is used to and the provocation is up a few notches. It will take him time to adjust but it's something he has to deal with or he'll be of no use to us. 

He can't do anything about the cheats and thugs who confront him but it's in his hands to learn to rise above it and get his revenge by winning games against them.

Correct. It's about playing it smart. 

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