Dlydon81 245 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, plumbGER said: Play good-well done Murty and the players, maybe Warburton had an eye for a player after all..... Play shite-sack the board. If you are good enough to beat Aberdeen twice, Hearts, Hibs and Ross County then you should be good enough to beat St. Johnstone at Ibrox, no excuses, Murty and they players let us down today. I’ve been calling for us to take a stand elsewhere in this forum. Even immediately after the two Aberdeen games. youre clearly one of the ‘4 in a row’ celebrants and I hate to burst that bubble...........however - How we beat Hibs I will never know - they outplayed us. A big question mark over the Aberdeen games too given the mcinnes reports and the knock on impact on them. If we played them now they would likely beat us more times than not. Ross County are second bottom of the league. hearts are pish! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlydon81 245 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, bil 65 said: The only viable option is a fans buy out With 80m shares in issue and the debt - that will be difficult. We need the fans to show the enthusiasm for change to attract proper investment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlydon81 245 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Bluenose88 said: You do know they were just overwhelmingly voted back in. Not by the fans! The fans turn on them properly and other shareholders will take note and the board themselves will realise that their position is untenable. We seem reluctant to use our powers when their are ‘Rangers men’ in place - that is part of our problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,344 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Dlydon81 said: I’ve been calling for us to take a stand elsewhere in this forum. Even immediately after the two Aberdeen games. youre clearly one of the ‘4 in a row’ celebrants and I hate to burst that bubble...........however - How we beat Hibs I will never know - they outplayed us. A big question mark over the Aberdeen games too given the mcinnes reports and the knock on impact on them. If we played them now they would likely beat us more times than not. Ross County are second bottom of the league. hearts are pish! We scored two goals, they scored one Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin 13,608 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 And replace them with who? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlydon81 245 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, KingKirk said: who's said such a thing certainly no me in the post you've quoted Im referring to what fans that haven’t already written off this season are thinking. There are two possibilities - they think we are good enough to win as is, or - they think we are going to strengthen to compete the second half of the season. if you don’t believe any of the above two scenarios then writing off this seasonshouldn’t be a ‘toss up’ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlydon81 245 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: We scored two goals, they scored one Thanks for the valuable contribution to debate! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,344 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Just now, Dlydon81 said: Thanks for the valuable contribution to debate! There is no debate, that is how we won. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Dlydon81 said: youre clearly one of the ‘4 in a row’ celebrants and I hate to burst that bubble...........however - Go on, quote me a single time when i have said anything remotely like that.....i'll log on at lunch time to see how you get on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenose88 132 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 5 hours ago, K.A.I said: Yes because they hold the rights, collectively to millions of shares ala votes but you are still correct in what you say - any resignations will be on their terms no-one else’s which is the problem - the same problem we had with the last lot until their hostile takeover we need another hostile takeover it seems but we need this mob to release the shares do we not? The recent resolutions put even greater control in their hands regarding who might get any new shares to be released. Rather than weaken their hold on the club it strengthens it. The one question none of this answers though is just who would they be replaced with? I’m just not sure there are queues of people lining up to replace them. Any new share issues might go some way to shedding light on whether there are indeed alternatives to the incumbents or we are to rely on their backing alone for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Just now, Bluenose88 said: The recent resolutions put even greater control in their hands regarding who might get any new shares to be released. Rather than weaken their hold on the club it strengthens it. The one question none of this answers though is just who would they be replaced with? I’m just not sure there are queues of people lining up to replace them. Any new share issues might go some way to shedding light on whether there are indeed alternatives to the incumbents or we are to rely on their backing alone for the foreseeable future. Again you are correct but even though there’s no one lining up to replace them that doesn’t you can’t not want them gone I want us to win the champions league but just because it won’t happen it doesn’t mean your wrong for wanting it to happen this shower of cunts have fucked up so bad they’ve made our brand toxic it’s on them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenose88 132 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Dlydon81 said: Not by the fans! The fans turn on them properly and other shareholders will take note and the board themselves will realise that their position is untenable. We seem reluctant to use our powers when their are ‘Rangers men’ in place - that is part of our problem. You are 100% right in that the fans can show their displeasure and cause pause for the board and probably enough to enact some change. However, it remains an unanswered question, just who would replace them? The next round of share issues might reveal any potential candidates or just serve to strengthen the current shareholders grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenose88 132 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, K.A.I said: Again you are correct but even though there’s no one lining up to replace them that doesn’t you can’t not want them gone I want us to win the champions league but just because it won’t happen it doesn’t mean your wrong for wanting it to happen this shower of cunts have fucked up so bad they’ve made our brand toxic it’s on them I think that’s fair enough. I’d like to think there will be a shake up of board members by the time the next AGM rolls round. If they succeed in getting fresh investment, from new sources, then I suspect those folks will demand their voice on the board. Then there might be opportunity to replace some incumbents. As fans we just want to win games and trophies, but when our club relies on investment from the public domain, and those investors are not necessarily fans the priorities get skewed from our perspective. What is interesting in all of this is that while the incumbents were overwhelmingly voted back in, there were in fact 28% of shareholders who did not vote. That’s a huge number. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howsitgoing 4,281 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I'm not blaming the board for the teams result, I'm blaming the board for allowing Rangers players to be attacked on the field, for allowing Doncaster to maintain his job whilst lying to continue an agenda, the mccinnes debacle. They think all they need to do is put out a statement to appease us and forget about it, I've had enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 6 hours ago, plumbGER said: Yes i can believe it wouldn't, that's fine and you are entitled to your opinion of course you are. You can blame the board all you like but that's now 16 points we have dropped at Ibrox, after recent results on our travels how can you blame the board for our abject home performances against mediocre opposition? You simply can't, the players have let us down time and time again. Yeah sure Who is to blame for countless player failures? The manager - end of. Who is to blame for countless manager failures? The board - end of. There is no scapegoat in sight, the board have well and truly fucked us and there is no escaping that. They are not fit for purpose and must be replaced or we are completely fucked as a club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 4 hours ago, mrmojorisin said: And replace them with who? Who are we to know/decide that? We are low level stakeholders, all we can do is show our displeasure and campaign for change. This is the only option open to us. This “oh but there’s no one to replace them with” or “who do you think should replace them” has always been a ridiculous argument. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 7 hours ago, Dlydon81 said: This is deliberately in the Bears Den as we need every fan to unite to provoke proper and sustainable change. Every fan should be howling SACK THE BOARD throughout the next home game. We should be protesting outside the front door before and after every Home game. we were good at protesting against the football authorities but we never take a stand against the charlatans running our club until it is too late SACK THE BOARD PS I know this will never take off as too many of our fan base feel entitled and just expect people to deliver for them. Until we realise the old order isn’t what it used to be we are doomed to mediocrity! Your idea is the right one mate I feel your frustration It will probably take another 5/6 wasted years .By that time .Beggars will be on 11/12 If it's one thing I've learned over the years Rangers fans are a mixture of Proud ,arrogant ,complacent, apathetic .They will never be seen to doing anything " the taig way " This will always suit the people that run our club King and Murray were absolutely geniuses when they railroaded control back from Ashley They used every bit of previous experience under DM to pull it off They got their security blanket by telling us about transparency and initiating the group that was going to fight our corner Cleverly turning that whole scenario around .They now hide behind that ..Just like DM used the assembly As long as our club have these guys are in control .It's going to be utter misery being a bear Just like the Kelly's back in the day .They need smoked out Sadly no bears would ever lower themselves to that kind of "taig like " behaviour We are fucked. Only the dreamers,greedy bastards/shareholders will think things will change Me being a rank and file supporter since I was 9 , can only hope it's all a bad dream Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 37 minutes ago, Jack The Flipper said: Yeah sure Who is to blame for countless player failures? The manager - end of. Who is to blame for countless manager failures? The board - end of. There is no scapegoat in sight, the board have well and truly fucked us and there is no escaping that. They are not fit for purpose and must be replaced or we are completely fucked as a club. How can you blame the board for Windass not being able to head the ball down the way? Or Tav not being able to finish from the 6 yard box because he wants an extra touch? The players and manager take collective responsibility for letting us down on the pitch, they have shown they are able but not shown any consistency with it and sometimes looking that they are lacking effort. Now i know the board have to shoulder some responsibility, i have criticised them plenty, but i am not going to blame them every time those fucking players let us down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth_Campsie_Ger 17,973 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 7 hours ago, bil 65 said: The only viable option is a fans buy out And then what? Have Houston as chairman? @govanblue organising the transfer kitty fundraiser? We need serious investment, fan ownership sounds great but the reality of it is if you want to win things you need serious investors. It might work for the likes of Motherwell but I couldn't see it working for us Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth_Campsie_Ger 17,973 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, plumbGER said: How can you blame the board for Windass not being able to head the ball down the way? Or Tav not being able to finish from the 6 yard box because he wants an extra touch? The players and manager take collective responsibility for letting us down on the pitch, they have shown they are able but not shown any consistency with it and sometimes looking that they are lacking effort. Now i know the board have to shoulder some responsibility, i have criticised them plenty, but i am not going to blame them every time those fucking players let us down. It's common knowledge that Paul Murray picks the team, he uses football manager for tactics too then tells that puppet Murty what to do. Clearly you are not ITK Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Perth_Campsie_Ger said: It's common knowledge that Paul Murray picks the team, he uses football manager for tactics too then tells that puppet Murty what to do. Clearly you are not ITK Paul Murray would have kept that header down with his hair, easy, maybe he can invite the players to his new re-modelled office to teach them things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vision 16,725 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 7 hours ago, duffy2391 said: Googled ‘good chairmen’ for some ideas and this thing came up. He’s certainly impressive. Reminds me of the torture scene in "Casino Royale". Maybe that's what King needs, a knoted rope aff the baws until he releases some funds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth_Campsie_Ger 17,973 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 minute ago, plumbGER said: Paul Murray would have kept that header down with his hair, easy, maybe he can invite the players to his new re-modelled office to teach them things. The way he gels his hair dictates how we set up, forward means we go with an attacking mentality, to the side is balanced and back is defensive Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Deacon 55,107 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 People might have reasons for wanting the board out but there's fuck all happened at board level since Wednesday that caused the players to be utter useless bastards and perform as they did yesterday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Perth_Campsie_Ger said: The way he gels his hair dictates how we set up, forward means we go with an attacking mentality, to the side is balanced and back is defensive Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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