Silver Fox 167 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 ffs guys--if you had the cash and went to buy a car and seen in the dealership that it could be had on a 0% APR deal, it would make sense to use the 0% APR deal and pay in instalments. Or one of those deals where its worded like '' buy now and nothing to pay next year'' type deals. you just get the car and keep the money and make a wee bit of interest. happens all the time in normal life, matters little when money gets handed over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, chris182 said: PM'd Why the tone? Is this scenario not entirely possible? Or do you have first hand information you want to share with the message board? Were you part of the negotiations? You might have noticed that we: run at a loss rely on loans to survive have no discernible income, of any stature, other than season ticket money, which will now all be spent if you think we decided to loan a player because brighton suddenly changed their mind then I admire you sunny disposition. In the real world we haven't a fucking penny and are run as a basket case. I am more surprised that clubs are still prepared to deal with us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris182 6,186 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, thehost said: You might have noticed that we: run at a loss rely on loans to survive have no discernible income, of any stature, other than season ticket money, which will now all be spent if you think we decided to loan a player because brighton suddenly changed their mind then I admire you sunny disposition. In the real world we haven't a fucking penny and are run as a basket case. I am more surprised that clubs are still prepared to deal with us. Not going to disagree on that, I haven't been wandering around blindfolded for the past few years. I've been a critic of the board since Pedro came in and aware of the financial constraints on us after the ineptitude of the board. Saying that the aforementioned scenario is still entirely possible and I don't think the deal as it stands is necessarily a bad one in a business sense.    Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Devil 350 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Welcome to Rangers Jamie!! Glad I don't support that PSG shambles, they took Mbappe on loan for a whole season before they are buying him. Shambolic shambles that French crowd are..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluebearDory 3,694 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Aye the board may be penniless crooks but if this is the only way we can do business and strengthen the team until we can offload some shite bought by previous managers and get money in from season tickets then so be it.    Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 81,465 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Blue_Devil said: Welcome to Rangers Jamie!! Glad I don't support that PSG shambles, they took Mbappe on loan for a whole season before they are buying him. Shambolic shambles that French crowd are..... I think it's mental you just compared us to PSG when it comes to transfer dealings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bydo 3,205 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 hours ago, WilliamFyfe said: Living the dream Chipped copy of fifa? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reformation Bear 6,453 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 8 hours ago, K.A.I said: Then why is the club website saying Brighton didn't want to sell permanently this window and why is the wording from their end "expected" ,, as I keep saying it doesn't make that much sense no matter what angle you come at it from .. but there is a couple of positives from it being a loan, but some negatives too and overall and most of all another charade and circus for us To put it in the least punchy way I can Rangers has, as I see it, cash problems and with it cash flow problems. More money is spent than is earned and we are seemingly on an endless financial lifeline of soft loans just to keep going.   I suppose the period of time between now and the start of ST sales flowing in for next season may see quite a dependence yet again on soft loans.  So finding enough cash up front to pay Brighton to make the signing permanent in Jan seems to me to be a difficult trick to pull off unless those who have already put in soft loans were prepared to put in even more at this time to fund a signing.  Another way of saying we are skint and running on vapour. But that may not be the only central bit of this.  If some of the signings made by Pedro and Warburton can be offloaded for fees in January then that would presumably ease the funding issues a little bit.  Timing issues may also be in play as if Rangers has other targets for January and needs funds for those targets then a mix of selling players and deferring payment for Murphy until summer may be the only way they have available to shuffle the playing pack, assuming soft loans are just for keeping going rather than for player investment that is.   Alves is surely worth a reasonable transfer fee, so is Pena and if push was coming to shove Windass, Tav and Foderingham could also presumably generate some fees.   It may yet be that players shifting out unlock some money to be spent on new players or put aside (ha ha) for summer to pay for Murphy.  At least it looks like an exclusive call option on Murphy with a pre-agreed fixed fee so if Rangers really do want to convert the loan to permanent then its an easy deal to complete in summer..........assuming we have the money.   The main thing is right now, in football terms, is Murphy can pull on a Rangers jersey and hopefully produce a lot of top performances between now and the end of the season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camshy 812 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Blue_Devil said: Welcome to Rangers Jamie!! Glad I don't support that PSG shambles, they took Mbappe on loan for a whole season before they are buying him. Shambolic shambles that French crowd are..... Did you just compare us to PSG and transfer dealings !!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd 10,756 Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, Blue_Devil said: Welcome to Rangers Jamie!! Glad I don't support that PSG shambles, they took Mbappe on loan for a whole season before they are buying him. Shambolic shambles that French crowd are..... The difference being they couldn’t sign Mbappe permanently last summer due to financial fair play..not through lack of money like the reason we are taking Murphy on loan first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyinroyalblue 16,478 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Hopefully Murphy has a long and successful career with us,good luck to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Devil 350 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Siwel said: The difference being they couldn’t sign Mbappe permanently last summer due to financial fair play..not through lack of money like the reason we are taking Murphy on loan first. We don't know the ins/outs of either deal. UEFA has stated that permanent transfers at the end of a loan deal will be considered as if bought up front for financial fair play. So no advantage to PSG. I am not comparing us to PSG, I am using an extreme example to state that transfers are structured like this all the time. By many football clubs, for many reasons. It does not, in of itself, make our club or board a shambles. It is a good signing. Well done MA, GM and the board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd 10,756 Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Blue_Devil said: We don't know the ins/outs of either deal. UEFA has stated that permanent transfers at the end of a loan deal will be considered as if bought up front for financial fair play. So no advantage to PSG. I am not comparing us to PSG, I am using an extreme example to state that transfers are structured like this all the time. By many football clubs, for many reasons. It does not, in of itself, make our club or board a shambles. It is a good signing. Well done MA, GM and the board. If we get him permanently in the summer it’s a good signing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlydon81 245 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 6 hours ago, wullyRFC said: What? If he gets injured he goes back to Brighton or we pay whats owed and take him injured. What does that have to do with Jamie himself? Ah just realised he is not out of contract! My mistake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
folkestoneger 7,972 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, chris182 said: Seen a lot of goodwill thrown his way. Signs are good. My mate lives down that way and says the locals rate him highly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AljayBoy 2,292 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Happy that he'll be pulling on the top for real for the next 6 months and will just have to hope the finances around this get sorted in time. Welcome to Rangers JM! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
folkestoneger 7,972 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Blue_Devil said: We don't know the ins/outs of either deal. UEFA has stated that permanent transfers at the end of a loan deal will be considered as if bought up front for financial fair play. So no advantage to PSG. I am not comparing us to PSG, I am using an extreme example to state that transfers are structured like this all the time. By many football clubs, for many reasons. It does not, in of itself, make our club or board a shambles. It is a good signing. Well done MA, GM and the board. They said that after the PSG deal was done though. Their intention was to get round the rules Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
folkestoneger 7,972 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, Reformation Bear said: To put it in the least punchy way I can Rangers has, as I see it, cash problems and with it cash flow problems. More money is spent than is earned and we are seemingly on an endless financial lifeline of soft loans just to keep going.   I suppose the period of time between now and the start of ST sales flowing in for next season may see quite a dependence yet again on soft loans.  So finding enough cash up front to pay Brighton to make the signing permanent in Jan seems to me to be a difficult trick to pull off unless those who have already put in soft loans were prepared to put in even more at this time to fund a signing.  Another way of saying we are skint and running on vapour. But that may not be the only central bit of this.  If some of the signings made by Pedro and Warburton can be offloaded for fees in January then that would presumably ease the funding issues a little bit.  Timing issues may also be in play as if Rangers has other targets for January and needs funds for those targets then a mix of selling players and deferring payment for Murphy until summer may be the only way they have available to shuffle the playing pack, assuming soft loans are just for keeping going rather than for player investment that is.   Alves is surely worth a reasonable transfer fee, so is Pena and if push was coming to shove Windass, Tav and Foderingham could also presumably generate some fees.   It may yet be that players shifting out unlock some money to be spent on new players or put aside (ha ha) for summer to pay for Murphy.  At least it looks like an exclusive call option on Murphy with a pre-agreed fixed fee so if Rangers really do want to convert the loan to permanent then its an easy deal to complete in summer..........assuming we have the money.   The main thing is right now, in football terms, is Murphy can pull on a Rangers jersey and hopefully produce a lot of top performances between now and the end of the season. Yes we obviously have money problems and either we settle for being shite or try to raise more money via the support, eg a monthly payment or the like, because it doesn’t look as if there are any mystery millionaires waiting to snap us up. If the likes of hertz can do it why can’t we. I would be willing to pay monthly to raise funds Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,610 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Honestly don't know how good a player he is or what he will contribute but after all the hoo-ha in the mhedia, especially the lad declaring his allegiance to The Rangers at their forced interview with him I'm glad he secured his signing even only for that, it would have been a disgrace it fell through after that, good luck to him and hopefully he does us a turn! Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
writingranger 1,399 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 the deal makes sense to me. There's no point creating some kind of shock horror we have no money scenario, we all know every penny is a prisoner. However we do have cash tied up in assets like Pena and a board willing to dip into their pockets on a needful basis. They are clearly trying to strengthen the team to make us competitive & you can't do that by simply releasing players. Look at the paucity of options murty had at celtic park. This deal means we have him for up to 4 years but if he doesn't cut it in 6 months we don't sign him. Sounds ok to me. We get a summer signing early, just like we did with pedro. Oh, wait a minute....lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, Siwel said: If we get him permanently in the summer it’s a good signing. What if he is rubbish on loan? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD.1872 890 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Blue_Devil said: Welcome to Rangers Jamie!! Glad I don't support that PSG shambles, they took Mbappe on loan for a whole season before they are buying him. Shambolic shambles that French crowd are..... They loaned Mbappe for literally the exact opposite reason we loaned Murphy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd 10,756 Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, plumbGER said: What if he is rubbish on loan? Fuck knows, we’ll probably still have to sign him Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie1963 2,348 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Welcome to Rangers Jamie. Can't wait to see you play. Big improvement from Windass and when we get Dorrans fit we will be able to compete in Scotland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryju84 3,170 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 9 hours ago, The Godfather said: Still following him despite him leaving donks ago. Creep TBH some of our fans still hang on Weiss every word Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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