Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, OneDavidCooper said: Joe Jordan was a great player. DJ confused the issue by whining on about he preferred to be a centre half. And yes, Ally McCleod was a mong. ... and a certain Tom Forsyth played for scotland in that squad (along with Sandy Jardine) the othe centre half being Gordon McQueen - Jordon and Dalgleish up front - not that surprised he didn’t play but at least was there in a 22 man squad - I remember big tam almost scoring against Holland - great squad at the time - the Manager - meh! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VB1965 43 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Pair of shades and he could front ELO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallyruff 622 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Was DJ not one of the players that allegedly scaled a fence around the training camp to go on the piss? Vague recollection so not sure. Shame he never played, could score with either foot and brilliant in the air. A different manager might have seen a different outcome in that tournament. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 11 hours ago, sassaaaa said: Different type of player to Dalglish and at the time was every bit as good as Jordan and he was quality at CH too. The manager was a mug...... Sorry sir but much as I liked DJ and think he was underrated he was nowhere neR the class of joe Jordan, one of the few players to have scored in 3 World Cup finals. Class player and class guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanzmeanzheinz 4,312 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 12 hours ago, AlCapone said: Simples, he wasn’t half the player Dalglish and Jordan were This. And that ends the discussion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, AlCapone said: Sorry sir but much as I liked DJ and think he was underrated he was nowhere neR the class of joe Jordan, one of the few players to have scored in 3 World Cup finals. Class player and class guy Never said he wasn't , but Johnstone was every bit as good and it was a disgrace he never played. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyinroyalblue 16,478 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 7 hours ago, harlands plater said: MacLeod was a clown, looking back it’s unbelievable how the nation fell for his pish. Although when you think of what almost happened in the referendum a couple of years ago, maybe not so unbelievable. The hype was unbelievable and that clown was responsible for most of it,if Willie Ormond had remained in charge I'm sure his more pragmatic approach would have served us far better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,638 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Think the sfa gave him the job because he managed ayr utd to a win against Rangers once ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghorn leghorn 608 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 hours ago, AlCapone said: Simples, he wasn’t half the player Dalglish and Jordan were What team do you follow mate? Yer great unwashed. OK dalglish yes , but that big turd who insulted Rhino's maw - fuck him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBlue 136 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 His header against Wales was one of the best I've ever seen and I also couldn't understand at the time why he didn't play in Argentina. However in the mid eighties a mate of mine was going out with the daughter of a retired pro and I remember talking to him about it. Now tbf he was pretty friendly with McLeod so this is just one side of the story. Anyway, he told me that when they reached Argentina DJ just treated it like a holiday camp - on the piss, weight ballooned and basically just wasn't fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyaleastend 3,260 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Way back when Scotland was a Protestant country, now it's all about being a Socialist Republican, who the fuck would want to play for "Scotland" now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy 731 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 As I said earlier in the thread McLeod found it hard to talk positively about DJ before the competition, I've no idea why, so it wasn't a surprise that he never got a chance although the big man was on fire at the time, no disrespect to Jordan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 hours ago, AlCapone said: Sorry sir but much as I liked DJ and think he was underrated he was nowhere neR the class of joe Jordan, one of the few players to have scored in 3 World Cup finals. Class player and class guy Jordan was faster, more aggresive and more dedicated than DJ but technically DJ had more ability imo. DJ liked a pint and played in every position which never helped him but he was two footed , ice cool in front of goal and the best header of a ball I've ever seen. He maybe didn't get the maximum from his abilities but he had a great career and was a total footballer with pace the only thing he lacked. Gordon Smith often says DJ would have been Rangers all time top scorer by a mile if he had stuck to CF. Your complimentary to DJ but to say he wasn't in the same class as Jordan is a little harsh imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, ianferguson said: Jordan was faster, more aggresive and more dedicated than DJ but technically DJ had more ability imo. DJ liked a pint and played in every position which never helped him but he was two footed , ice cool in front of goal and the best header of a ball I've ever seen. He maybe didn't get the maximum from his abilities but he had a great career and was a total footballer with pace the only thing he lacked. Gordon Smith often says DJ would have been Rangers all time top scorer by a mile if he had stuck to CF. Your complimentary to DJ but to say he wasn't in the same class as Jordan is a little harsh imo. Sorry, but Joe Jordan was a vastly superior player to DJ. Played at the very top with Leeds United, Manchester United and AC Milan and played and scored in 3 world cups. During his spell at Manure, he was awesome. I had a mate playing for them at the time so saw a lot of Jordan's games for them and he was tremendous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanzmeanzheinz 4,312 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, OneDavidCooper said: Sorry, but Joe Jordan was a vastly superior player to DJ. Played at the very top with Leeds United, Manchester United and AC Milan and played and scored in 3 world cups. During his spell at Manure, he was awesome. I had a mate playing for them at the time so saw a lot of Jordan's games for them and he was tremendous. Spot on post - apart from the ‘manure’ patter moment manure? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,693 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 There was a short video post 1978 World Cup, some clips and footage set to a song of the time. They chose, not surprisingly, Don’t Cry For Me Argentina and when it got to the line “the answer was here all the time...”, they put up a picture of Souness, similarly overlooked by the moronic McLeod. Watched the debacle in the old Jean Armour at Crossmyloof, never forget it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZed 4,510 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Ally McLeod was a balloon, he picked the wrong players in several games: no Souness until the end. Joe Jordan was out of form in the lead up to the world cup, if I remember right, so DJ was in about the Home Championship games as he was in form. Jordan was a header of the ball and bullied defences, brilliant at it but that was it. DJ gave you more options as an attacker, he could score with both feet and was a very good header of the ball. John Roberson was meant to feed Jordan but it never really happened. DJ would have given us more options up front. I was 17 at the time and even I knew Jordan was playing shite and being marked out of the games as the defenders would not let him get 2 paces for a jump. He scored against Peru, if I remember right, 1st game but then faded even in that game as the defenders worked him out. McLeod was a poor manager and did not use the resources of the best Scotland squad I can remember. If DJ was on the piss in Argentina then not getting a start is really down to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, OneDavidCooper said: Sorry, but Joe Jordan was a vastly superior player to DJ. Played at the very top with Leeds United, Manchester United and AC Milan and played and scored in 3 world cups. During his spell at Manure, he was awesome. I had a mate playing for them at the time so saw a lot of Jordan's games for them and he was tremendous. Joe made the most of his talents and had a great career as a fast , strong target man but DJ was a better all round footballer imo. Jordan was predominately left footed and not a prolific goalscorer. I'll concede Jordan's scottish caps proves him to be ahead of DJ as careers go but not vastly superior and i still maintain DJ was more gifted but less motivated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 hours ago, foghorn leghorn said: What team do you follow mate? Yer great unwashed. OK dalglish yes , but that big turd who insulted Rhino's maw - fuck him. Oik Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, ianferguson said: Joe made the most of his talents and had a great career as a fast , strong target man but DJ was a better all round footballer imo. Jordan was predominately left footed and not a prolific goalscorer. I'll concede Jordan's scottish caps proves him to be ahead of DJ as careers go but not vastly superior and i still maintain DJ was more gifted but less motivated. We will have to agree to disagree mate but I have enjoyed the debate and the memories. ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Deanzmeanzheinz said: Spot on post - apart from the ‘manure’ patter moment manure? Sorry. I hate the red bastards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 12 hours ago, sassaaaa said: Never said he wasn't , but Johnstone was every bit as good and it was a disgrace he never played. There is no way DJ was in the class of Jordan, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, AlCapone said: There is no way DJ was in the class of Jordan, Not even close in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Smith 55 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I dont think the problem was D.J. or Jordan for a starting place,that was never in doubt.I think it was the fact McLeod preferred Harper as the back up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, AlCapone said: There is no way DJ was in the class of Jordan, Your opinion Al , a think he was as good if not better. Add to the fact he was a crackin centre half too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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