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Tbf though Murty did get it wrong yesterday. Either that or the players didn't play how he asked them too and its their fault. 

We could have dominated them yesterday. We didn't. The gulf isn't big between us and them regardless of the wage bill or budget.

We could and should have won yesterday. 

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My patience has just about ran out.

That game was there to be won but he waited too long to change it.

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Kilmarnock will have an even bigger gap in wages, have us or celtic beat them since Clarke took over?

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I generally agree with your post.  Many on here are saying that we got too carried away in lead up to yesterday’s game and it was a false dawn built on the back of a few wins.  They are probably correct.  However, it would be equally wrong to take yesterday’s match on its own, ignore any progress made over last few months, and tear things apart again by hoping for a saviour manager from somewhere.

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It can't be denied that Murty has done some good stuff since January. But I can't help feeling that we need a proper manager next season, and not a guy who's learning his trade, if we want to challenge. 

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More excuses for failure.

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1 minute ago, Captain Hilts said:

It can't be denied that Murty has done some good stuff since January. But I can't help feeling that we need a proper manager next season, and not a guy who's learning his trade, if we want to challenge. 

I just dont think we can afford the kind of manager people would be expecting.

The horrendous thing is that the idea of someone like Moyes would disgust us, yet he is so far out of our reach is is not even funny.

We are either looking to replace Murty with a manager who is 'learning their trade' or one who is out of form or from an obscure league.

Neither option fills me the  confidence that they will be given the time needed to get things right.

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2 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

No we have not, but I doubt that appointing Clarke would lead to us winning the league next year either.

If he was not in touching distance within 2 months, he would be getting called a fenian and people would be demanding he was replaced.

IMO, our best chance is to solidify our squad, get some stability hoe for a mistake by them to allow us to capitalise. That is our best chance.

We had hope yesterday for a reason. Murty had turned things around and had us playing well. They had also had a rough patch. I honestly didnt see a huge gulf on the field yesterday. It was a 50/50 game with superior finishing causing the result.

Dembele is a good player, regardless of how much people wish to deny it. His first goal was a cracker and his pass for the second was quality as well. He will be away in the summer, so hopefully they replace him poorly.

Murty has lost 1 game out of 3 against them. The loss was by a single goal, in a game we should have won. Yes he made mistakes IMO, but it was not all down to him. There was luck and quality involved as well.

Im holding fire till the end of the season to make up my mind, but he deserves more time IMO, not already deciding his fate.

I agree, I don't want him, but he can beat them with a bigger gap, we struggle to get close.

His goal only happened because we are spastics and didn't think it would be good to replace Alves or Cardoso and buy a decent centre back. All three goals are stopped by half decent players, but we let them do whatever they wanted to.

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3 minutes ago, Sket said:

More excuses for failure.

Yes they are. Well done for spotting the obvious.

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Just now, ForeverAndEver said:

I agree, I don't want him, but he can beat them with a bigger gap, we struggle to get close.

His goal only happened because we are spastics and didn't think it would be good to replace Alves or Cardoso and buy a decent centre back. All three goals are stopped by half decent players, but we let them do whatever they wanted to.

Im fairly certain if we could have offloaded Cardoso and replaced him, we would have done it. The centre half we did bring in was injured for the game, and our first choice was stretchered off injured.

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3 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Im fairly certain if we could have offloaded Cardoso and replaced him, we would have done it. The centre half we did bring in was injured for the game, and our first choice was stretchered off injured.

Aye, we replaced Wilson, fair enough, but we should have bought another one

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Thing is he’s making mistakes and he’s not fucking learning from them. 

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If it was only about Murty. It's much bigger than him. This is six years in the making. How much longer do we put up with being also rans? Another six years?

Appears we are getting used to playing second fiddle.

Start with the board. King, our messiah. 3 years now. I'm still awaiting the miracle. Oh wait a minute, it was only broken promises. That's ok then. The miracle is that we accept it!

We're too dignified for a West Ham moment of course. Well that is unless it's getting King into power!

We have improved on the park, but off it, we reman a shambles and that will ultimately affect what's on it.

 

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1 minute ago, B1872 said:

Thing is he’s making mistakes and he’s not fucking learning from them. 

I dont know if I agree with that though.

Most of his fuck ups came in the games against the supposed cannon fodder, he has sorted this out for the most part.

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Is this the same patience that Murty showed in waiting to make a change following the red card or following Goss’ poor performance or Windass’ disappearance from the game following his goal?

I said it with Warburton that his downfall was the whole Plan B is to do Plan A better. Murty could well be repeating Warburton’s mistakes.

If Murty wants to be permanent manager then he has to start showing some guile. I hope it’s there and I hope he’s not just another one trick pony who plays one formation and tries to fit players in the formation (he spoke about Cummings wide left if Murphy didn’t make it and Cummings is not a left winger).

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Excuses excuses excuses .if this if that.we were beaten by a weakened team that hasn't been playing well with a third choice goalie who hasn't played for months and down to ten men at home whilst taking the lead twice and that's us fuckin progressing.aye right roll on the semi.

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If the right man becomes available in the summer it's a no brainer. 

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Just now, Blue Avenger said:

If it was only about Murty. It's much bigger than him. This is six years in the making. How much longer do we put up with being also rans? Another six years?

Appears we are getting used to playing second fiddle.

Start with the board. King, our messiah. 3 years now. I'm still awaiting the miracle. Oh wait a minute, it was only broken promises. That's ok then. The miracle is that we accept it!

We're too dignified for a West Ham moment of course. Well that is unless it's getting King into power!

We have improved on the park, but off it, we reman a shambles and that will ultimately affect what's on it.

 

This.......people rightly say we took them close and 9 points of a difference is much better than 30 plus last year but it is also a mixture of us being much better in the last 3 months or so and them being poor.

Murty will still be here next season as we have a board who have in the course of 3 years ran up somewhere in the region of 20 million of debt the last few via a lender of last resort. Dress it up as quasi equity or whatever you want but our esteemed chairman will shortly be in control of more of the club which he clearly does'nt want to.....what he does want I have no idea.

 

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Murty is a weak little gimp, as somebody pointed out, would Rodgers swaggered out of the tunnel last and into Rangers technical area, to surprise Walter Smith with a hug from behind? I doubt it.

Pathetic little man. Too scared to do anything decisive. Never a Rangers manager. The lack of balls on the pitch reflects the lack of balls in the dug out. 

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4 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

If it was only about Murty. It's much bigger than him. This is six years in the making. How much longer do we put up with being also rans? Another six years?

Appears we are getting used to playing second fiddle.

Start with the board. King, our messiah. 3 years now. I'm still awaiting the miracle. Oh wait a minute, it was only broken promises. That's ok then. The miracle is that we accept it!

We're too dignified for a West Ham moment of course. Well that is unless it's getting King into power!

We have improved on the park, but off it, we reman a shambles and that will ultimately affect what's on it.

 

Last year we finished 39 points behind celtic and 9 behind aberdeen.

We have closed the gap considerably, and even more importantly, they are getting worse.

It is not an easy thing to bridge that financial gap they have due to the free run they have had at the CL for 6 years. It cant be done overnight.

I am still seeing improvements, and whilst we are improving, I think it would be foolish to cast away this in the hope for a miracle which has a bigger chance of setting us back.

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Hmm that's the bread man and Pedro and now Murty how much time do we give him he has till end of season we will finish second but if we dont beat them fuckers in the cup I think his time is up we can't keep coming second best 

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Should have been on the front foot right after the sending off. Send on the cavalry so to speak, push them further back and get the goal and win the game. Murty completely fucked it up.

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1 minute ago, gers31 said:

Hmm that's the bread man and Pedro and now Murty how much time do we give him he has till end of season we will finish second but if we dont beat them fuckers in the cup I think his time is up we can't keep coming second best 

Last year we were 3rd.

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