2m a year & an under 20s novice - the difference

[five stars 1,636]

They had a plan how to play with 10 men.

We didn't have a plan how to play against 10 men.

That's inexperience for you. Pedro made the opposite mistake again hibs when Jack got sent off. He had no idea how to play with 10 men.

[Ger_onimo 20,488]

Look what you get for £15m a year...

[The Dude 20,026]

What have two random clips almost ten minutes apart got to do with each other? The brown clip is from the 56th minute and the Murty one the 64th. 

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

57 minutes ago, Ibroxholm said:

Nonsense.  Brenda was forced to make a change because they had a man sent off.  There was absolutely no need for Murty to do similar.  To blame our defeat yesterday on timing of substitutions is grasping at straws.

Shite!

They go to ten me and we go two up front and pummel the cunts.

Too hard box for Murty. They go two up front and fuckng pummel us.

Not fucking hard is it?!

[siddiqi_drinker 14,635]

58 minutes ago, Ibroxholm said:

Nonsense.  Brenda was forced to make a change because they had a man sent off.  There was absolutely no need for Murty to do similar.  To blame our defeat yesterday on timing of substitutions is grasping at straws.

Of course there was a need, when they went to 10 Murty should have had us pressing a much higher line as they were a man down and have a central defense worse than ours.   A manager would have spotted that (Stevie Wonder would have seen it) but Murty is a coach, not an experienced manager.   No disrespect to Murty but he is hindered by inexperience and we as a club cannot afford another managerial roll of the dice. 

[Ibroxholm 2,275]

27 minutes ago, Smile said:

It's a bit of both it's Murty not spotting what's happening around him and players switching off in the wrong areas.  

I honestly think we lost the game when we let them get the equaliser just before halftime it hit the players hard.

The second goal, the timing and the way we lost it was a killer, made even worse by the fact we appeared to have seen out a period of pressure from them.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,505]

48 minutes ago, Ibroxholm said:

Don’t agree.  Murty picked his team and decided to have faith in them to do the job.  We were well on top throughout the period they had ten men, we had plenty of possession we just didn’t have the nouse to break them down.  Holt wouldn’t have provided that, nor did Cummings.  We had an excellent chance to score just before they broke away for their third, if Morelos had converted it things would likely have worked out different.  

 

 

You miss the point, when they went to a 441 we should have replaced windass with a centre mid and kept the ball for the rest of the game, chances would have arrived, instead we stayed the 4231 which was effectively a 442 with windass up top because he doesn't track back, when the tarriers settled and we kept goss on the park who hadnt kicked a ball all day rodgers seen his chance to nick it and went for it, murty showed them too much respect by not trying to dominate them completely, 

Their sub scored the winner, ours didn't appear until 74mins by that time the tarriers had built a brick wall in front of their goal, 

[Ibroxholm 2,275]

11 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Shite!

They go to ten me and we go two up front and pummel the cunts.

Too hard box for Murty. They go two up front and fuckng pummel us.

Not fucking hard is it?!

So simple when you don’t have any responsibity for the repercussions of making a decision, and you can call it all in hindsight.  We had two up front the last 20minutes and apart from Morelos’s glaring miss (you always get one chance) we didn’t create anything.  The referee could have played another 20minutes injury time and we still wouldn’t have scored.  Our final ball is atrocious, we just don’t have any player that can open up a packed defence.

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

21 minutes ago, five stars said:

They had a plan how to play with 10 men.

We didn't have a plan how to play against 10 men.

That's inexperience for you. Pedro made the opposite mistake again hibs when Jack got sent off. He had no idea how to play with 10 men.

Mer shite!

We go up against the scum and with the worst ref's on the planet, having many of our players sent off previously.  How many times for Jack? We don't have a plan, aye right?!

Let's factor in that it is indeed football we are playing. A  game is dynamic, it changes through 90 minutes and the oppo can change their tactics at will. We have no control over that, but what we do have control over in how we adjust and counter to our advantage. 

They go a man down, so in theory we had the advantage. Brenda puts on another man up front and puts us under pressure. What do we do? We fucking wilt like fairies.

That's not inexperience, as you get those basics in the classroom. What Murty's got is indecision. The fear of change and getting it wrong. The fear of taking off any of his love children in case he upsets them.

It would have been easier to get it right than wrong. He lacks courage. Too willing to please and unwilling to do the right thing to be a winner. He needs a spine.

 

[Hadron Collider 30,786]

2 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Mer shite!

We go up against the scum and with the worst ref's on the planet, having many of our players sent off previously.  How many times for Jack? We don't have a plan, aye right?!

Let's factor in that it is indeed football we are playing. A  game is dynamic, it changes through 90 minutes and the oppo can change their tactics at will. We have no control over that, but what we do have control over in how we adjust and counter to our advantage. 

They go a man down, so in theory we had the advantage. Brenda puts on another man up front and puts us under pressure. What do we do? We fucking wilt like fairies.

That's not inexperience, as you get those basics in the classroom. What Murty's got is indecision. The fear of change and getting it wrong. The fear of taking off any of his love children in case he upsets them.

It would have been easier to get it right than wrong. He lacks courage. Too willing to please and unwilling to do the right thing to be a winner. He needs a spine.

 

Who really did we have to come on and change the game? Cummings yes, after that I don’t see anything as our bench is not good enough. 

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

20 minutes ago, Ibroxholm said:

So simple when you don’t have any responsibity for the repercussions of making a decision, and you can call it all in hindsight.  We had two up front the last 20minutes and apart from Morelos’s glaring miss (you always get one chance) we didn’t create anything.  The referee could have played another 20minutes injury time and we still wouldn’t have scored.  Our final ball is atrocious, we just don’t have any player that can open up a packed defence.

What chance of repurcussions against ten men ffs?!

Morelos, shite. Windass, worse than shite. I didn't notice Murty had a white stick!

They go two up front. We do worse than nothing, we let them come onto us.

This is not fucking hard and all fucking manner of excuses by an inept performance by Murty and the players. We simply caved in. 

[Ibroxholm 2,275]

2 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

You miss the point, when they went to a 441 we should have replaced windass with a centre mid and kept the ball for the rest of the game, chances would have arrived, instead we stayed the 4231 which was effectively a 442 with windass up top because he doesn't track back, when the tarriers settled and we kept goss on the park who hadnt kicked a ball all day rodgers seen his chance to nick it and went for it, murty showed them too much respect by not trying to dominate them completely, 

Their sub scored the winner, ours didn't appear until 74mins by that time the tarriers had built a brick wall in front of their goal, 

I don’t think we lacked possession against the ten men, we could completely dominated in that period it we just didn’t do enough with it.  However, no matter how much you dominate, the other team is always going to have one or two skirmishes where they manage to get forward. The third goal came about from about their only foray up the park.  It was a disaster for us defensively, no manager can account for that in his planning.

We can argue all day about substitutions but it misses the main issues imo.  We badly need McCrorie in there to shore up our midfield and protect our defence, and we need to get one or two players in who are able to create against a packed defence.

[Real Ranger 3,193]

Murty certainly isn't above criticism but the hysterical reaction by some on here is beyond a joke. 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Eh? 

They went down to ten men, they made two subs, one of which was to bring on a striker who scored the winner, we changed nothing until around 20 mins to go by then the tarriers have the bit between their teeth and we'e sscrambling 

The minute they go down to ten men windass should have been off for holt, give us 3 in the middle and start dominating possession, dont let them have the ball and chase us for the last half hour, our chances would have came, instead we lost a goal through the middle of the park and then they shut up shop

Subs were everything yesterday, the game was won and lost on the subs

Not disagreeing with that . At 11v 11 . I was sure if they scored the next goal .We were getting a thrashing .

The momentum had been lost before the sending off . They had got a stranglehold of the midfield

When they went to 10 . It was the biggest and best chance for Murty to send us into attack and high press mode  

He failed to do a thing .

Brenda told the defence to bypass the midfield and hit balls to Dembele on Tavs side of the pitch

They also made a positive substitution

Our defence were brutal at picking this up and stayed central mostly .

It worked for them and created their winner .

After that . They just stuck to same game plan and we ran out of invention and ideas

A guy that scores a hat trick last week on a high stayed on our bench for well on 70odd minutes

Astonishing from Murty tbh

[evenstevens 890]

1 hour ago, Ibroxholm said:

The game was effectively decided in a couple of  minutes of play.  A bad miss by Morelos when he was put through on goal, immediately followed by some rank bad defending by us to allow them to score their third goal.  We weren’t caught on the break at the goal, we had plenty of players around to deal with the situation.  I don’t think substitutions would have made any difference to what happened in that critical period.

 

 

Spot on. Morelos scores we are 3-2 up and a man up. I think his miss was around 5 mins after they went down to 10 men. He scores and Murty sticking to his guns looks well considered and Brenda's tactical change meant nothing. We then gift a goal and have to change it at that point. It then looks like a Brenda masterstroke and a Murty howler. 

Such are the fine margins and goals change games, simple as that. And that's without us even talking about Morelos miss from 4 yards. 

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

1 minute ago, Hadron Collider said:

Who really did we have to come on and change the game? Cummings yes, after that I don’t see anything as our bench is not good enough. 

FFS, Morelos and Windass were having a mare, plus Goss. He could have replaced any of them off at half time. 

What bit of being 2-2 at half time, at home with the oppo on the ascendancy don't you get? They start the second half the way they finished the first and still we don't change. 

They get a man sent off and they pummel us even more and still we don't make a change. What bit of we're fucked if we don't change it are you not getting.

He could have even brought on Halliday to mprove it we were that fucking bad at that point? Cummings and Holt were the changes to be made.

You don't keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. 

I've seen better management and decision making at boys club football.

[Hadron Collider 30,786]

8 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

FFS, Morelos and Windass were having a mare, plus Goss. He could have replaced any of them off at half time. 

What bit of being 2-2 at half time, at home with the oppo on the ascendancy don't you get? They start the second half the way they finished the first and still we don't change. 

They get a man sent off and they pummel us even more and still we don't make a change. What bit of we're fucked if we don't change it are you not getting.

He could have even brought on Halliday to mprove it we were that fucking bad at that point? Cummings and Holt were the changes to be made.

You don't keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. 

I've seen better management and decision making at boys club football.

Halliday, that’s your level of improving? Shouldn’t be near a blue jersey. I already said Cummings and he was brought on. Maybe if Cardozo hadn’t fucked up on the second goal we would have been laughing and we would be having this fucked up conversation. 

[Ibroxholm 2,275]

20 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

What chance of repurcussions against ten men ffs?!

Morelos, shite. Windass, worse than shite. I didn't notice Murty had a white stick!

They go two up front. We do worse than nothing, we let them come onto us.

This is not fucking hard and all fucking manner of excuses by an inept performance by Murty and the players. We simply caved in. 

It’s two each at the time and we are dominating the game and making chances.  If he makes a substitution it may change that.  We lost the third goal due to inept defending from at least two of our players.  No manager can legislate for that.

You think Morelos is shite and should have been substituted?  Really?

[ianferguson 2,619]

1 hour ago, 50ShadesofBlue said:

Should've went 442 and put Cummings on for Windass following that red card. 

 

The nearest we came to scoring v 10 men was through Windass, he plays a one two with Tav and his shot is pushed into the Elephants path for equaliser but you know the rest.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

19 minutes ago, evenstevens said:

Spot on. Morelos scores we are 3-2 up and a man up. I think his miss was around 5 mins after they went down to 10 men. He scores and Murty sticking to his guns looks well considered and Brenda's tactical change meant nothing. We then gift a goal and have to change it at that point. It then looks like a Brenda masterstroke and a Murty howler. 

Such are the fine margins and goals change games, simple as that. And that's without us even talking about Morelos miss from 4 yards. 

Fine margins in every OF game

That does not take away the fact . A positive substitution or two from us the minute their player was sent off, would have given the whole team a boost . Windass or Goss off for Holt . And possibly Alves or Cardoso off for Cummings

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622]

I think on the whole Murty is decent with his tactics at setting teams up (Hivs aside).

His ability to adapt or tweak tactics, or see an opportunity and do what's needed to capitalise etc, that's where I reckon he was weak yesterday as he has been before.

[Skyson1872 2,923]

2 hours ago, TheGovanIniesta said:

I still don’t get how he can get his tactics perfect away to Parkhead twice but not do the basics right especially at home

Not the first time he’s been made to look like an U20s manager

[Hadron Collider 30,786]

2 minutes ago, Skyson1872 said:

Not the first time he’s been made to look like an U20s manager

Pretty well thrown in at the deep end. Hasn’t done badly imo. Can you imagine if Pedro the burro was still there?  Just a thought. 

[KeyserSoze 14,521]

4 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

I think on the whole Murty is decent with his tactics at setting teams up (Hivs aside).

His ability to adapt or tweak tactics, or see an opportunity and do what's needed to capitalise etc, that's where I reckon he was weak yesterday as he has been before.

This 

i hope to fuck he knows this too and does something about it. Although there’s been no evidence so far. Could be his undoing if he doesn’t take advice. 

[ianferguson 2,619]

54 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said:

Of course there was a need, when they went to 10 Murty should have had us pressing a much higher line as they were a man down and have a central defense worse than ours.   A manager would have spotted that (Stevie Wonder would have seen it) but Murty is a coach, not an experienced manager.   No disrespect to Murty but he is hindered by inexperience and we as a club cannot afford another managerial roll of the dice. 

We could talk all day about Murty and substitutions but the bottom line is that if you swap Dembele for Morelos we win easily. The last 30 mins was littered with sloppy passes and crosses from guys who can do better and had played well for 60 mins but couldn't handle the pressure and expectancy when they went to ten, but even allowing for that Morelos's pathetic finishing was the difference. The least we deserved out of the game was a draw and the reason we missed out was that Morelos was on his heels when he should have been on his toes , and not for the first time . How the fuck can a Rangers CF look surprised when a ball falls to his feet three yards out.