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[standup 829]

1 minute ago, coopscracker said:

Why should it not be.. We are British by geography, leaving the UK wouldn't change that. 

 

But there are plenty who would really really like to , they would be tearing down The Main Stand if allowed

 

2 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

I have a backer? 

As you said improbable scenarios but you want me to reply? Ok post a democratic vote for yes, a period of negotiation and final separation - if the country was a bit fractious I’d just make a plea on tv for us all To sing kumba ya together - Who could get worked up into the frenzy needed to revolt whilst singing ‘kumba ya’- sorted. 

, Nah that wont happen as well you know it. There will be lots of Nationalists, now the majority, who will be baying for unionist blood Rangers being a major target, Would you watch Ibrox being burned down by Nationalist extremeists, who also want you out of Government. Trouble free Scotland is a fantasy.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

5 minutes ago, Virtuoso said:

Let's cut this down to simplicity - what oil revenue? That was Salmonds ace card until it all went suddenly tits up.

A few months ago, I was speaking with a Norwegian 'petroleum specialist' from Conoco Phillips and the subject of North Sea sector reserves was mentioned. He estimated that there is approximately 30 years to 40 years left maximum. That's oil production, not continued drilling and finding new reserves. The issue isn't that it will run out 'per se', but the difficulties in extracting it, especially in North Sea conditions due to increased costs as it involves drilling at deeper depths using HPHT (high pressure, high temperature) drilling without any guarantee of a return. Major drilling companies are moving out of the North Sea in favour of either higher day rates in the Norwegian sector or overseas work where costs are considerably lower - revenue that Scotland will never see.

Transocean, possibly the biggest drilling contractor in the world are finished here, all north sea assets sold off. The company I previously worked for for has six rigs, one here, one stacked, four in Norway.

Now an important fact regarding oil in general:

It doesn't belong to Scotland, it belongs to whoever pays to extract the stuff . The pipeline infrastructure is already there, all that has to be determined is where it comes ashore. Sturgeon might say, we'll set a tax on the price of oil in relation to the price per barrel set by OPEC. England then says we'll set it lower. Bang, the tap goes anti-clockwise south of the border. Again, generating revenue that Scotland will never see.

What is interesting (and something that Sturgeon should pay heed to) is that in various polls; Aberdeen, oil capital of the world and SNP heartland, continually showed the weakest support for independence. That assertion alone speaks volumes. 

 

Here's an interesting article:

 

 

http://www.businessforscotland.com/10-facts-about-scotlands-oil-and-independence/

that also is an interesting article 

if oil is not important - fine - so try and answer this - if we are such an economic basket case why hold on to us? Altruism? 

... and as a country we are not defined by oil alone. 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

6 minutes ago, BlueAvenger said:

In 2014 smarmy Salmond said oil revenue would be £8 billion pounds in the first year of separation. Can you tell me how much it was ? 

Can you tell me how much it is this year? 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

6 minutes ago, standup said:

But there are plenty who would really really like to , they would be tearing down The Main Stand if allowed

 

, Nah that wont happen as well you know it. There will be lots of Nationalists, now the majority, who will be baying for unionist blood Rangers being a major target, Would you watch Ibrox being burned down by Nationalist extremeists, who also want you out of Government. Trouble free Scotland is a fantasy.

Wow that’s pretty paranoid even by RM standards. Apart from a few dafties ( from all sides) i ydon’t think anyone seriously sees Ibrox as some sort of beacon or rallying point for unionism. 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Good night. 

[Virtuoso 27,180]

2 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

http://www.businessforscotland.com/10-facts-about-scotlands-oil-and-independence/

that also is an interesting article 

if oil is not important - fine - so try and answer this - if we are such an economic basket case why hold on to us? Altruism? 

... and as a country we are not defined by oil alone. 

That article is dated four years ago and bears no resemblance to the current climate since the slump. There's no getting back to the heady heights of where the oil industry once was (unless of catastrophic movements elsewhere).

To maintain the UK as it is, not break it up. If the people of England had been given the vote, then there's a real possibility that they would have jettisoned us (maybe / maybe not....).

[MurrayWilson 3,381]

6 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

http://www.businessforscotland.com/10-facts-about-scotlands-oil-and-independence/

that also is an interesting article 

if oil is not important - fine - so try and answer this - if we are such an economic basket case why hold on to us? Altruism? 

... and as a country we are not defined by oil alone. 

No one is holding on to us against our will. We are in a union of partners, we were given a chance to leave this partnership in a democratic vote and the Scottish people declined to do so.

[BlueAvenger 10,237]

Just now, Bluepeter9 said:

Can you tell me how much it is this year? 

The wicked witch has taught you well in avoiding uncomfortable questions. I'll leave it at that before you start saying.... there's more work to be done..or Tory austerity...or its Westminster or Stronger for Scotland  !! 

[standup 829]

Just now, Bluepeter9 said:

Wow that’s pretty paranoid even by RM standards. Apart from a few dafties ( from all sides) i ydon’t think anyone seriously sees Ibrox as some sort of beacon or rallying point for unionism. 

Aye. They do, Ibrox is the centrepoint of all wrong to a lot of people. a lot who dont care about football. We would have to have the reality for your fantasy or my nightmare to be proven. At the very least you have a large amount of disgruntled Unionists in Scotland with a majority shouting them down at every chance, as in the original thread topic. I take  ityour fellow party members embrace and welcome your fondness for Rangers. Bet there will be whispering campaigns to get rid of you. Beware the ides of March, March gettit?. havent asked a question about Marches yet. 

[gsa 3,906]

SNP supporters still talking about oil.

Goodness.

Take a trip to Aberdeen and look at all the empty office space. Take note of the redundancies, the reduced contracts, the highly qualified people who were once employed in the North Sea but are now spread across the globe. 

Peak oil has been and gone. 

I know it doesn't fit in with the nationalist agenda but oil is a diminishing resource. And the North Sea glory days are over. If you want to debate economics, you have to deal with that reality first of all. When you've done that, we can then move on to Scotland's extortionate welfare and healthcare. 

[BlueAvenger 10,237]

1 minute ago, gsa said:

SNP supporters still talking about oil.

Goodness.

Take a trip to Aberdeen and look at all the empty office space. Take note of the redundancies, the reduced contracts, the highly qualified people who were once employed in the North Sea but are now spread across the globe. 

Peak oil has been and gone. 

I know it doesn't fit in with the nationalist agenda but oil is a diminishing resource. And the North Sea glory days are over. If you want to debate econonics you have to deal with that reality first of all. When you've done that, we can then move on to Scotland's extortionate welfare and healthcare. 

Come on mate there has only been about 150,000 jobs gone in the oil industry in the UK. It wouldn't have affected an independent Scotland....!!!!!

[K.A.I 36,183]

59 minutes ago, coopscracker said:

Jesus are you 7 year old? I love that particular Scotland strip, seeing coop wearing it pleases me. Best of both worlds. 

Unlike you I don't think I need to choose between my country and club ya sad fuck. 

The world must look awful through your prism of bitterness and hate.  Fuck being  you.... Not even for a minute 

 

You don’t fool me 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

8 hours ago, Virtuoso said:

That article is dated four years ago and bears no resemblance to the current climate since the slump. There's no getting back to the heady heights of where the oil industry once was (unless of catastrophic movements elsewhere).

To maintain the UK as it is, not break it up. If the people of England had been given the vote, then there's a real possibility that they would have jettisoned us (maybe / maybe not....).

You do know they just announced the largest oil finds in the North Sea - seems oil hasn’t run out. But oils is only part of the argument.

i note your non answer to my question - why the fight to keep us? 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

8 hours ago, standup said:

Aye. They do, Ibrox is the centrepoint of all wrong to a lot of people. a lot who dont care about football. We would have to have the reality for your fantasy or my nightmare to be proven. At the very least you have a large amount of disgruntled Unionists in Scotland with a majority shouting them down at every chance, as in the original thread topic. I take  ityour fellow party members embrace and welcome your fondness for Rangers. Bet there will be whispering campaigns to get rid of you. Beware the ides of March, March gettit?. havent asked a question about Marches yet. 

Everyone I know in the SNP party knows I’m a season ticket holder - you get the normal banter - when they wisper behind my back it’s cause they are jealous of my good looks. Now stop being so paranoid and embrace your inner Scot! 

[The No.9 760]

SNP & Rangers supporter ??‍♂️?‍♂️

if ever you wanted to be different then that’s way to go well done ?

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[magic8ball 27,901]

1 hour ago, Bluepeter9 said:

You do know they just announced the largest oil finds in the North Sea - seems oil hasn’t run out. But oils is only part of the argument.

i note your non answer to my question - why the fight to keep us? 

SNP are committed to reducing carbon emissions 

bit sit wanking when they find more black gold 

 

[Virtuoso 27,180]

1 hour ago, Bluepeter9 said:

You do know they just announced the largest oil finds in the North Sea - seems oil hasn’t run out. But oils is only part of the argument.

i note your non answer to my question - why the fight to keep us? 

Finding oil is one thing, extracting it is another (as I previously mentioned). You're trying to teach me to suck eggs.

I answered your question - to keep us as one. To maintain the union.

[OnwardsandUpwards 834]

1 hour ago, Bluepeter9 said:

You do know they just announced the largest oil finds in the North Sea - seems oil hasn’t run out. But oils is only part of the argument.

i note your non answer to my question - why the fight to keep us? 

Luckily for myself I lived in England during the vote.The view from people down there was very different.Most certainly did not want to keep us.Not because they didn’t want the Union to continue but because of the attitude and rhetoric coming out of the Independence campaign.If they could have had a vote to kick us out then I am pretty sure you would have got your wish.

Maybe that should have been the way to go!

I also don’t get people that wish to be Independent yet voted remain.Why swap one body that sets legislation for you for another one?Really is bizarre.Vote for us and Scotland can be free to make its polices(well unless the EU tells us otherwise).The fact also remains(sic) that there is no guarantee Scotland would be granted membership anyway even after all the pre vote grovelling.

Apparently we are not defined by oil alone for sustainability.You do mention this frequently but never really expand on what else will generate this income?We have free prescriptions,free tuition,don’t pay for hospital parking which are all excellent whilst in the union but where does the money come from to sustain these  benefits.

Every report that comes out states our education system is getting worse and failing more and more children.Ask anyone within the NHS frontline and they will tell you how  poor that is becoming due to lack of staff and cut backs.Local councils are being forced to cut back on services year on year because the money just isn’t there.Drive down practically any road in Scotland and the state of it is abysmal.Emergency service are being cut back or should that be “reorganised” leaving less people to cover more work and area.

Practically everything is being cut back but that’s ok because oil is the answer.Well not just oil.Other undisclosed things will appear from some magic Mary Poppins bag.

Now with all this going on you would expect SNP politicians to be concentrating on improving matters,discussing why motorway came  to a halt recently despite promises it would never happen again or maybe just checking they renewed their insurance policies just in case it’s slipped their minds again!

No for some,it’s still very important to go on social media to demonise our support.Its what they thrive on.Cant wait for any opportunity to do so in fact.Despite always being caught out from things in their past pointing to backing terrorists or sectarian slander towards our fans or club hypocrisy is alive and thriving within that Party.Most have no love for our Club,no love for our values and as a party no clue how to run this country.

 

 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715]

Thread seems to have gone down an independence / oil route.  It's actually Rangers related. 

Who of prominence within the SNP is a Rangers supporter? Do we know any who publicly support others?

What backing/help/support have Rangers ever had from SNP members? Again, other clubs?

Have Rangers and our support ever come under attack from SNP members? What other clubs and support have been attacked?

Are Rangers and Rangers supporters treated as equally as other clubs and their supporters? Answers on a postcard.

[Malvern 11,329]

10 hours ago, Bluepeter9 said:

Can you tell me how much it is this year? 

You can only tell the last year, this year has not finished yet

https://www.ft.com/content/2aa44a6e-87e9-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787https://www.ft.com/content/2aa44a6e-87e9-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787

It's from the ft so should be accurate enough for a publication.

[coopscracker 38]

8 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Thread seems to have gone down an independence / oil route.  It's actually Rangers related. 

Who of prominence within the SNP is a Rangers supporter? Do we know any who publicly support others?

What backing/help/support have Rangers ever had from SNP members? Again, other clubs?

Have Rangers and our support ever come under attack from SNP members? What other clubs and support have been attacked?

Are Rangers and Rangers supporters treated as equally as other clubs and their supporters? Answers on a postcard.

The first Minister at the time tried to mediate between our club and HMRC. If he was a rabid Rangers hating nationalist he wold have sat back and done fuck all dont ya think

[magic8ball 27,901]

5 minutes ago, coopscracker said:

The first Minister at the time tried to mediate between our club and HMRC. If he was a rabid Rangers hating nationalist he wold have sat back and done fuck all dont ya think

did a great job ay.getting them to accept a deal 

[coopscracker 38]

9 hours ago, K.A.I said:

You don’t fool me 

Let me just put it out there so there is no confusion down the line.

 

See the guy who stands at speakers corner ranting and raving about some shit that only he gives a fuck about, the guy that everyone walks past thinking "fuck being that guy"

Well thats you....to me.

hopefully i can find a way to mute you

[coopscracker 38]

6 minutes ago, magic8ball said:

did a great job ay.getting them to accept a deal 

damned if he does damned if he doesnt.

 

[Malvern 11,329]

23 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Are Rangers and Rangers supporters treated as equally as other clubs and their supporters? Answers on a postcard.

Yes, in any country that is not Scotland or Ireland.