RoboBear 162 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 It can't be good for a player to know he'll get picked regardless of form and effort because it will cost the club money not to play him. Nor can it be good for either club. Players are taken on loan with a view to helping them and the club, but if it turns out the player isn't good enough or isn't putting in the effort then the club shouldn't be fined for leaving him out Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd 10,756 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 We’re not gonna play him just because we want to save a bit of cash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Middleton came from norwich, he isnt even a product of our academy lol Middelton was picked up and put in to the academy. The same is true of guys like Bates. They're not signed for the first team we're looking to develop them until they're good enough for the first-team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,841 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Siwel said: The run up to the last 3 Old Firm games we’ve conveniently seen 3 different players coming out claiming the sectarianism by Rangers fans was horrendous. Even Didier Agathe saying he had to take an armoured car to training, move house 9 times and people shouted “agathe loves curry” at him in matches they need to make things up . the only vaguely racist thing I think they could come up with that would be true is Nakamura ate my dog ??? 1690tamRFC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backup 4,724 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Did SD negotiate the payment clause. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post graeme_4 34,000 Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 If we wanted him from any other EPL club there would likely be a fee. Liverpool waive the need for that fee to be upfront. We only pay said fee if we don’t utilise / develop him enough. Would far rather this situation, than paying upfront. Drunk and disorderly., Inigo, Blue Avenger and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibroxholm 2,260 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Whatever way you want to spin the arrangement, it raises the possibility that reasons other than performance and ability may influence the manager’s team selection. Can’t say I’m very keen on this, even more so due to Gerrard’s background and close relationship with Liverpool. We don’t need any more ’Warburtonesque’ decisions, where relations with the loanee’s club takes precedence over what might be best for our team in any game. Smile 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1690tamRFC 5,001 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 5 hours ago, graeme_4 said: If we wanted him from any other EPL club there would likely be a fee. Liverpool waive the need for that fee to be upfront. We only pay said fee if we don’t utilise / develop him enough. Would far rather this situation, than paying upfront. I honestly don’t see the problem at all mate. As you say it’s actually a decent enough situation to be in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Normal practice in the loan market but the taig press make it look like it’s just us. ?? Sadly some on here fall for it hook line and sinker. graeme_4 and Utility Man 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 hours ago, eejay the dj said: Another uninspiring signing all the same The only player who has any Pedigree is Flanagan and even his career was on a downward spiral. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,651 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Bring him on at 89 minutes every game if he's shite still playing every match. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
To Be A Ranger 4,032 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Siwel said: We’re not gonna play him just because we want to save a bit of cash. I'd hope not but wouldn't be surprised. To save cash there's been at least a couple of players in our recent past that were rumoured not to be picked to play because further games would mean activating an additional payment clause Fred H Crawford 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 63,964 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Smile said: The only player who has any Pedigree is Flanagan and even his career was on a downward spiral. McGregor and Arfield don't have any pedigree? plumbGER 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 63,964 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Not thrilled about this signing but it's a pretty great deal having it done this way. If he's shite we'll have to pay the fee we would have to for any other loan signing, if he's good we'll be getting a decent addition for free Nothing to moan about here at all Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryju84 3,170 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, K.A.I said: Just go into administration again and bump them Admin 8 by now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 569 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 At no point in that article does it say we will have to pay a fee if he doesn't play ...... tannerall and Bad Robot 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannerall 25,935 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Orangeclement said: At no point in that article does it say we will have to pay a fee if he doesn't play ...... Glad I skipped article and read last post. Seems a ludicrous idea, too many take tabloids shite too seriously. Please think seriously before you post anything in the tabloids. Freddy Starr never, ever ate a hamster, and Rangers never died. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjim1690 4,534 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 The way I see it the only downside would be if the boy isn't good enough, but in this instance it's not as if we're taking a chance on an unknown player who's been recommended to us or by video shots, Gerrard knows how good he is and must believe he will be a good addition and will probably get enough game time in order to waive the loan fee, personally I'm much more happy with this situation than taking a chance on a complete unknown prospect. Blue Avenger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred H Crawford 1,182 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, To Be A Ranger said: I'd hope not but wouldn't be surprised. To save cash there's been at least a couple of players in our recent past that were rumoured not to be picked to play because further games would mean activating an additional payment clause Michael Ball comes to mind . IIRC , he waived ( or deferred ) money owed to him whilst also negotiating a settlement with Everton , in order to play a part in the remaining games of the Helicopter Sunday 2 season ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, Goosetav said: McGregor and Arfield don't have any pedigree? Arfield had a mediocre career unless you think Burnley brilliant McGregor at the end of his career and came from Hull. Not really the quality I expected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,031 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, eejay the dj said: Another uninspiring signing all the same Agreed and is it just me or do we keep getting players who aren't getting regular starts from the teams they are coming from which isn’t a great sign eejay the dj 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbm26896 995 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 hours ago, graeme_4 said: If we wanted him from any other EPL club there would likely be a fee. Liverpool waive the need for that fee to be upfront. We only pay said fee if we don’t utilise / develop him enough. Would far rather this situation, than paying upfront. Too much common sense in this post graeme_4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Bad Robot said: Agreed and is it just me or do we keep getting players who aren't getting regular starts from the teams they are coming from which isn’t a great sign hoodwinked Is a word many bears may have on their minds throughout this come season at this rate . We better be getting at least 2/3 quality attacking additions in before the start of or we can forget being a credible challenge Bad Robot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willygers4life 1,031 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 It's not a fine or anything it's a loan fee that could potentially be waived, I would think that Stevie won't play him if he ain't good enough. The fee won't make or break us otherwise we wouldn't have agreed to it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelydan1690 20,228 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Smile said: Arfield had a mediocre career unless you think Burnley brilliant McGregor at the end of his career and came from Hull. Not really the quality I expected. What were u exspecting then m8? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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