TheCutch 4,340 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: That's a very good Presbyterian work ethic he has He will be back on Sunday though, so squad rotation will be in full effect again. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMckee 3,420 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Reckon he will go with ejaria if jack's definitely out along side coulibally and arfield will be back in. Not been impressed by mcrorie at all when I've seen him this season. Probably looked better last season as standards were lower? Wouldn't of been surprised to see him out on loan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,680 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, cd true bluenose said: mcrorie should replace jack ? We need to attack at home. 2-0 minimum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
writingranger 1,412 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, bluenoz said: We need to attack at home. 2-0 minimum Definitely. The most important part is not conceding at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,192 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Midfield three is a tough one with Jack out. Throwing Ejaria in there could go either way but he might be that creative spark we need. I definitely wouldn’t start McCrorie but maybe I’m being unfair to the boy. Candeias will be key defensively and offensively as always, whereas Murphy just edges Kent for me. Not gonna try and predict this one. This squad look capable but Maribor are a strong side. An early away goal could be disastrous for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCutch 4,340 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I think with Jack out, and the debate on here about who should take his place between McCrorie and Ejaria it just highlights further our lack of quality options in the engine room. If we do move to 352 then at least the wingbacks would lend some support to the middle 3, but whilst we are playing 433 I really think we need another quality addition to our options for the midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Donnellan 24 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Looking at the UEFA coefficients, things look bad - we're on 0.25 but getting the slightly better national coefficient of 3.725 while Maribor have earned a mighty 22.5. But... If we'd continued to play in Europe over the last 5 years, our coefficient would really be somewhere nearer to celtic's 31, and is probably better than Maribor's 22.5. That's pretty much reflected in the betting where the bookies seem to have us evens on the win. Really getting revved up for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,714 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, Dave Donnellan said: Looking at the UEFA coefficients, things look bad - we're on 0.25 but getting the slightly better national coefficient of 3.725 while Maribor have earned a mighty 22.5. But... If we'd continued to play in Europe over the last 5 years, our coefficient would really be somewhere nearer to celtic's 31, and is probably better than Maribor's 22.5. That's pretty much reflected in the betting where the bookies seem to have us evens on the win. Really getting revved up for this. The bookies don't go on coefficients Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Donnellan 24 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Rfc52 said: The bookies don't go on coefficients When you've got two teams coming together who've not played each other in 7 years, coefficients must be a starting point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Dave Donnellan said: When you've got two teams coming together who've not played each other in 7 years, coefficients must be a starting point. I can pretty much guarantee that no bookie has ever used UEFA co-efficients to draw up their book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Donnellan 24 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Creampuff said: I can pretty much guarantee that no bookie has ever used UEFA co-efficients to draw up their book. They'll use something like the ELO ratings which, apart from anomalies like Rangers, won't be a kick in the arse away from UEFA's coefficients. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,595 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Not gonna lie I'm bricking it for this game tonight, they'll be a lot better than Osijek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Donnellan 24 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: Not gonna lie I'm bricking it for this game tonight, they'll be a lot better than Osijek. The only way we're going to improve is by overcoming this kind of challenge. I really can't wait for this - like a kid at Christmas. But, yeah, I'm bricking it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,714 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, Dave Donnellan said: When you've got two teams coming together who've not played each other in 7 years, coefficients must be a starting point. 30 minutes ago, Dave Donnellan said: They'll use something like the ELO ratings which, apart from anomalies like Rangers, won't be a kick in the arse away from UEFA's coefficients. Don't be so stupid mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanksRFC 3,867 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 First game of the season for me due to work and holidays. Absolutely buzzing. Will be a tough game but I think we will win by a couple of goals for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 81,992 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1-0 Rangers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Donnellan 24 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Rfc52 said: Don't be so stupid mate OK, how IS it done then? Two teams, one from Scotland, one from Slovenia. Neither has played each other in 7 years and one of them has had a significant financial hiccup that will cloud the usefulness of any previous meetings. Of course they'll use ratings systems as a starting point. UEFA and ELO are just rating systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Donnellan 24 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, .Williamson. said: 1-0 Rangers I'd be happy with that clean sheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 81,992 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Dave Donnellan said: I'd be happy with that clean sheet. Thanks mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,714 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Dave Donnellan said: OK, how IS it done then? Two teams, one from Scotland, one from Slovenia. Neither has played each other in 7 years and one of them has had a significant financial hiccup that will cloud the usefulness of any previous meetings. Of course they'll use ratings systems as a starting point. UEFA and ELO are just rating systems. They don't use coefficients Ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanzmeanzheinz 4,312 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 37 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: Not gonna lie I'm bricking it for this game tonight, they'll be a lot better than Osijek. A “lot better” than Osijek???? That would make them a very very good team! I really rated Osijek. I genuinely believe we took a scalp there. I think they’re more than handy though, and it will be a tough night we’re both patience and concentration will be key requirements (patience includes the fans!). As others have intimated, 0-0 would not be a bad score but I’d bite your hand off for 1-0 right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dave Donnellan said: OK, how IS it done then? Two teams, one from Scotland, one from Slovenia. Neither has played each other in 7 years and one of them has had a significant financial hiccup that will cloud the usefulness of any previous meetings. Of course they'll use ratings systems as a starting point. UEFA and ELO are just rating systems. They’ll base it on where they think bets are likely to come in. Probability of victory is only a small amount of how odds are set. Predicting the market is often an easier and more reliable way to profit. Bookies don’t gamble, punters do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,714 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, Creampuff said: They’ll base it on where they think bets are likely to come in. Probability of victory is only a small amount of how odds are set. Predicting the market is often an easier and more reliable way to profit. Bookies don’t gamble, punters do. It's the same as racing. For example if Paul Nicholls runs a horse in a shite handicap at market rasen on a Tuesday his horse will usually go off at a ridiculously short price because they know people will want to back a big powerful stable against loads of smaller ones. The horse ends up artificially short and when it gets humped the bookies are quids in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I’m actually very confident for tonight. I’m not convinced Maribor will be better than Osijek at all. Croatian league is surely of a much higher standard than the Slovenian league. They weren’t great when we last played them, and haven’t had wonderful results thus far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,714 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Creampuff said: I’m actually very confident for tonight. I’m not convinced Maribor will be better than Osijek at all. Croatian league is surely of a much higher standard than the Slovenian league. They weren’t great when we last played them, and haven’t had wonderful results thus far. A 2 goal lead for us would be my ideal scenario without conceding. I think this will be tough though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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