Popular Post D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted August 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2018 Rangers fans could be forgiven their wry smiles on hearing the motto of the Scottish Police Service, Semper Vigilo – Always Vigilant. One could point to the massive banners depicting them as “H** Scum”, somehow smuggled past the “vigilant” officers or perhaps the inflatable effigies which were then hung from the rafters of celtic Park, an action which again managed to escape the gaze of Scotland’s finest. Meanwhile Northern Irish Rangers supporters, carrying the flag of their country, find them being seized by Police Officers as they attempt to enter Ibrox, on the pretext of them being “sectarian”. The fact that the latter has happened on more than one occasion, accompanied by a subsequent apology from Police Scotland, suggests someone, somewhere is not paying attention. The job of the Police is difficult and challenging, particularly at football matches, exacerbated by a recent increase in whataboutery and individuals being faux offended, much of which is played out across social media platforms. Warwick University, WBS Research Projects offers the following explanation on Public Confidence: “For any police force to be effective in safeguarding the public, retaining public confidence is critical. This is because the public are a key source of information, and their trust and cooperation are often key to law enforcement.” But that trust has to be earned and two significant incidents which pertain to public safety, and which rise above the simply annoying or exasperating examples cited in the opening paragraph, have significantly eroded the confidence and trust of Rangers supporters with regard to Police Scotland. The aftermath of the 2016 William Hill Scottish Cup Final still rankles with many Rangers supporters. As someone who was there, and who witnessed first hand the events which unfolded, I sill find it particularly difficult, that 30 seconds after the final whistle standing in the traditional Rangers end at Hampden, I was faced with a Hibs fan standing not 50 yards from me in the six yard box challenging and goading myself and other Rangers supporters to fight. This individual’s course of conduct had nothing to do with joy, celebration nor overexuberance and any attempts to explain it or rationalise it as such are quite simply erroneous. But its events off the pitch which served to undermine confidence in the Police. As Rangers supporters raised questions about the preparation, speed and deployment strategy of the Police, they found themselves in the eye of a storm as accusations were levelled that Rangers fans had used their own children as barricades to hinder and impede officers reacting to the ongoing situation at Hampden. The author of the story, Jane Hamilton from the Scottish Daily Record, appeared to receive corroborative assistance from Callum Steele of the Scottish Police Federation, who tweeted that this version of events was consistent with reports he had received from officers on duty that day. The Independent Press Standard Organisation (IPSO) ruling following a complaint regarding the story can be read in full here: https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=03188-16 Both Jane Hamilton and Callum Steele remain in post. The SFA ordered an independent Commission into the disorder which was chaired by Sheriff Principal Edward F Bowen CBE QC. Regretfully, I am unable to guide you to an unabridged version of his findings, as the SFA, for reasons best known to themselves, have decided to no longer promulgate his report. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/documents/scottishcupfinal2016report/scottish cup final 2016 commission of enquiry - report of sp bowen.pdf Since publication, Rangers have contested the findings of the report and official statements from the club reflected that. "We can state however that we will be seeking an urgent meeting with the author of the report, Sheriff Principal Edward Bowen, the Scottish FA’s Chief Executive Stewart Regan and his Compliance Officer, Tony McGlennan. It is imperative that we gain insight into the underlying basis for the findings in the report given that we consider it contains a number of factual inaccuracies and contradictions. It is right that the club gives the author and requisitioner of the report the opportunity to comment on our concerns prior to making a conclusive statement.” Such concerns were not without foundation. Although not widely reported by the press, who focussed on the report’s main findings namely: · Police and steward numbers were appropriate · Neither club to blame for crowd trouble · Call for debate on criminalising pitch invasions · Physical interaction between players and fans to be discouraged · Retractable tunnel could improve player safety · Pitch invasion sparked by Hibs fans' high excitement · Overwhelming majority of Rangers fans behaved properly there was also remarks in the report regarding intelligence prior to the match itself. In the absence of the complete report I will refer to this exert from the Edinburgh Evening News dated 5th August, 2016. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/report-concludes-hampden-pitch-invasion-down-to-high-excitement-1-4195707 In particular, I would draw your attention to this paragraph: “Mr Bowen said he was satisfied both clubs and the Scottish Football Association took reasonable precautions to minimise the possibility of a pitch invasion. He concluded there was no evidence to suggest the pitch invasion was planned, that the Hibs support had not been infiltrated by individuals holding some form of malicious intent, and that while some supporters were affected by alcohol, both male and female, that hadn’t played a significant part in what happened.” On the Monday following the Cup Final, BBC Radio Scotland hastily scheduled a phone in hosted by Kaye Adams, to discuss the events and the aftermath. It consisted of both Hibs and Rangers fans phoning in to offer their own versions on events. I mention this programme because some of the Hibs supporters phoning in made reference to the fact it was all over social media, that in the event of a Hibs victory there would be a pitch invasion. Given the vast galaxy which is social media it is not unreasonable to accept that those responsible for either Policing pre-match intelligence may have missed this, but for the subsequent investigation and report into the aftermath to either miss or totally discount testimony which has been aired by the country’s national publicly funded broadcaster? Rangers supporters are more than familiar with the failings and selective nature of “low-level intelligence gathering” Fast forwarding to last week and the reputation and confidence in Police Scotland suffered further erosion following the Rangers vs Osijek tie at Ibrox, which was marred by violent disorder prior to the match. Concerningly for Police Scotland, criticism of policing arrangements came not only from Rangers supporters but also from Paul Goodwin, former head of Supporters Direct and co-founder of the Scottish Football Supporters Association, who accused the Police of being blindsided and failing to take into account the violent reputation of Croatian fans. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16398308.police-scotland-deemed-Rangers-match-which-saw-two-stabbed-to-be-low-risk/ Whilst I appreciate I do not have access to the resources, expertise and research facilities of analysts at Police Scotland, my somewhat crude google searches tend to suggest Mr Goodwin may have a point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6dKP4tpzNU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR7WATnpigY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r9DAclKcGY It is perhaps worthy of note that the violence involving Osijek fans in Switzerland was only last year, which makes Chief Inspector Bowater’s assertion that there was “no intelligence” to suggest extra policing was required, particularly difficult to fathom. Warwick University Research Projects, previously mentioned, goes further in its examination of Public Confidence in the Police, citing the various array of measurements used by the Police to gauge and determine such confidence, including customer satisfaction surveys. Of course in order to ensure favourable feedback, Police Scotland could tailor their customer satisfaction phone calls to 3pm every other Saturday when Rangers supporters are likely to be elsewhere, or alternatively, they could afford Rangers supporters the same level of commitment, transparency, protection and treatment which everyone in Scotland is entitled to expect from them. ianb1547, Jonok, TEKR1955 and 52 others 55 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyaleastend 3,260 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Fuck reading all that, bottom line, please? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyShowInTown 17 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 21 minutes ago, Loyaleastend said: Fuck reading all that, bottom line, please? Basically all the clocks in pulp fiction are stuck at twenty past 4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyaleastend 3,260 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 minute ago, OnlyShowInTown said: Basically all the clocks in pulp fiction are stuck at twenty past 4. Basically , I find you as helpful as the Vatican claim to Semper Eadem OnlyShowInTown 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ryju84 3,170 Posted August 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Loyaleastend said: Fuck reading all that, bottom line, please? It is actually well written. Worth a full read. magic8ball, CooperSF, sonofbear and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Loyaleastend said: Fuck reading all that, bottom line, please? Aye fuck reading shit on a forum, readings for poofs init. More pics please D’art...? harlands plater, OhW and Jonok 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sandyinroyalblue 16,478 Posted August 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2018 Excellent post @D'Artagnan The lack of accountability at Police Scotland with regards to the cup final and more recent events is due partly to a lack of political pressure from the Scottish government and all the political parties in Scotland looking the other way when we rightly point to failings and inconsistencies in policing. Put simply we are fair game and those who wrong us do so with impunity in Scotland and have been for years. Bobby Hume, Malkster, Budswiser and 11 others 14 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refail 0 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 hours ago, D'Artagnan said: https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=03188-16codes Both Jane Hamilton and Callum Steele remain in post. The SFA ordered an independent Commission into the disorder which was chaired by Sheriff Principal Edward F Bowen CBE QC. Regretfully, I am unable to guide you to an unabridged version of his findings, as the SFA, for reasons best known to themselves, have decided to no longer promulgate his report. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/documents/scottishcupfinal2016report/scottish cup final 2016 commission of enquiry - report of sp bowen.pdf Since publication, Rangers have contested the findings of the report and official statements from the club reflected that. "We can state however that we will be seeking an urgent meeting with the author of the report, Sheriff Principal Edward Bowen, the Scottish FA’s Chief Executive Stewart Regan and his Compliance Officer, Tony McGlennan. It is imperative that we gain insight into the underlying basis for the findings in the report given that we consider it contains a number of factual inaccuracies and contradictions. It is right that the club gives the author and requisitioner of the report the opportunity to comment on our concerns prior to making a conclusive statement.” Such concerns were not without foundation. Although not widely reported by the press, who focussed on the report’s main findings namely: · Police and steward numbers were appropriate · Neither club to blame for crowd trouble · Call for debate on criminalising pitch invasions · Physical interaction between players and fans to be discouraged · Retractable tunnel could improve player safety · Pitch invasion sparked by Hibs fans' high excitement · Overwhelming majority of Rangers fans behaved properly there was also remarks in the report regarding intelligence prior to the match itself. In the absence of the complete report I will refer to this exert from the Edinburgh Evening News dated 5th August, 2016. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/report-concludes-hampden-pitch-invasion-down-to-high-excitement-1-4195707 In particular, I would draw your attention to this paragraph: Thanks for this info! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post magic8ball 27,901 Posted August 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2018 Great post . The uneven hand used by authorities against us isn't just with the SFA this highlights Police Scotland's uneven hand too. For me Police Scotland is more government controlled than any of the police forces in the UK. Certain things that could be allowed to happen to portray us in a bad light are being allowed to happen. The incidents last week and at hampden were instigated by others with violent intent ,Yet with media coverage and carefully ignoring the whole story we are painted as the bad ones . We are being used by our government as part of a campaign to force independence .to make unionism look bad dougie76, plumbGER, Blumhoilann and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Another great article D’art. ?? bornabear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Loyaleastend said: Fuck reading all that, bottom line, please? Educate yourself and take the time to read it. ?? Bears r us, magic8ball, Malvern and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nameless Ghoul 6,054 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Loyaleastend said: Fuck reading all that, bottom line, please? Learn to read. Well written. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,647 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Cops have chucked it, the snp have neutered them so expect more soft targets and forgive the pun beach of the peace charges. There has been two Chief of polis left the job under mysterious circumstances still not fully explained and the Scottish force must be at their nadir now, it stinks to high heaven. dougie76, 2nd Flute and terry739 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR1979 1,964 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 The Daily Records source for Jane Goody was an anonymous email from someone claiming to be a police officer on duty, didn't know that. a clear propaganda piece designed to smear the Rangers fans and take the heat of our Political Police Force, who were worse than useless on the day and decided to pursue mainly Rangers fans after the final. Said it after the final we need to look after ourselves and I can see more action being taken like last Thursday as Police in Scotland are not fit for purpose when dealing with Rangers fans. Brilliant Piece Dart. magic8ball 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,750 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Superb piece, D’art, as usual. What gets me is how brazen this contempt for our club and our support has become. And across so many areas of life. I complained to the BBC about the hatchet job phone-in they cobbled together on the morning of the Flanagan signing, the tone being that Rangers must condone domestic abuse if they sign him. Eventually got a nice wee email telling me to, and I paraphrase here, “fuck off”. The abuse is no longer veiled or in need of interpretation, it is blatant. The only thing that will change how we are treated is success and prolonged success at that. When we’re back on top, they’ll crawl back wanting invites to the party. It is then we must be strong and neither forget nor forgive. dougie76, Blumhoilann and magic8ball 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, GWR1979 said: The Daily Records source for Jane Goody was an anonymous email from someone claiming to be a police officer on duty, didn't know that. a clear propaganda piece designed to smear the Rangers fans and take the heat of our Political Police Force, who were worse than useless on the day and decided to pursue mainly Rangers fans after the final. Said it after the final we need to look after ourselves and I can see more action being taken like last Thursday as Police in Scotland are not fit for purpose when dealing with Rangers fans. Brilliant Piece Dart. 100pc correct. our publicly funded police has been politicised , dougie76 and CharlieT 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Persson 547 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Credit to poster for coming up with facts and content. A good read. Don't upset this group or that group but fuck Unionists or their like. The so called minority ie anything but British type Establishment are precious. Do not offend them while they work their agenda of protest and ultimate takeover. Paranoid old Proddy here of course! dougie76 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big blue Fin 3,724 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Loyaleastend said: Fuck reading all that, bottom line, please? That police scotland are a shower of conniving fucking cunts who are not fit for purpose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuistraHairDo 12,490 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 ACAB LochendBilly 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie76 15,359 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I used to have respect for our police force but most of the people they now employ are puppets at best, there are still some decent one's left but they are being forced out the door, make of that what you will. BLUEDIGNITY 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluedoo 2,652 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Very good post D'Art I also believe that due to the in actions and soft approach taken against Motherwell after the play off pitch invasion, this set an example that anything goes when it comes to games against Rangers. What is striking about both games was the goading was identical. Pure hatred etched on those faces and worse on both occasion they had won the football match, that's crazy imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkster 4,884 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Loyaleastend said: Fuck reading all that, bottom line, please? The New Era, dougie76 and Sparkle 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkster 4,884 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 bottom line for the hard of thinking. We are fair game for all and sundry to attack in this wee backward shithole of a country dougie76 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post the old guard 2,323 Posted August 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2018 So they confiscate the flag of Northern Ireland, but are more than happy to allow the flag of the republic to fly anywhere in Scotland including flea ridden middens like the Barras, Royston and the peado dome, what a cunt of a country we've become. magic8ball, Blumhoilann, CharlieT and 9 others 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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