SeparateEntityMyArse 53,609 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Amac9 said: Fuck that idea. Only just signed a new one. Now captain, and subject of bids. Perhaps it protects us more from clubs sniffing about him by adding in more favourable terms for us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbm26896 995 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Great news Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big blue Fin 3,724 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: He’s on 3 year deal why the need??? Possibly to protect our investment in the player this time? Add in a buy out clause at a sensible number, say £6/7m which if he continues to play the way he has been would be completely justified. SeparateEntityMyArse 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryMc 2,394 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I'd imagine it's to get a decent buy out clause in it. He's captain now as well so maybe his wages don't reflect that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 12,905 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Lord Lockin said: Seems Rangers are going to offer him new contract - great news What is the source of this information. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,473 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 54 minutes ago, big blue Fin said: Possibly to protect our investment in the player this time? Add in a buy out clause at a sensible number, say £6/7m which if he continues to play the way he has been would be completely justified. Why do people always say stuff like this. Buy out clauses benefit the player and only the player. Why would we want to have a buy out clause in a contract? Especially as low as £6m. A buy out clause doesn't mean a club is going to give us a guaranteed bid of £6m the only thing it does is put a ceiling on what we can make from him and take any decisions completely out of our hands. What if we go on to win the league, get a good Euro run with Tav being the star man and club captain and could be worth double that but you've put in a £6m release clause? Release clauses are not good things. If £6m is his value then clubs will bid that whether he has a clause or not, if they weren't going to bid £6m in the first place they aren't going to bid it with a release clause in it either. OhW and VentyFour 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,473 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 However, on the contract. He's now club captain, a star player and attracting interest, and as someone said he was probably given promises after we turned down bids to keep him here so I don't have a problem with it. If I found out Tavernier was going on to earn £16-£18k I'd be fine with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,609 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Broxi said: Why do people always say stuff like this. Buy out clauses benefit the player and only the player. Why would we want to have a buy out clause in a contract? Especially as low as £6m. A buy out clause doesn't mean a club is going to give us a guaranteed bid of £6m the only thing it does is put a ceiling on what we can make from him and take any decisions completely out of our hands. What if we go on to win the league, get a good Euro run with Tav being the star man and club captain and could be worth double that but you've put in a £6m release clause? Release clauses are not good things. If £6m is his value then clubs will bid that whether he has a clause or not, if they weren't going to bid £6m in the first place they aren't going to bid it with a release clause in it either. Why would you not then offer him a new contract reflective of performances, up his pay as he's a league winning captain and now CL player, and up the buy out to 15m? Of course it protects us if it's high enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,473 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Why would you not then offer him a new contract reflective of performances, up his pay as he's a league winning captain and now CL player, and up the buy out to 15m? Of course it protects us if it's high enough. How does a buy out clause protect us ? Do you not understand what a buy out clause is OhW 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Courtyard Bear said: He’s on 3 year deal why the need??? WBA would probably have doubled his wages and bottom line is he'd not be a happy player if we didn't pay him the going rate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Broxi said: Why do people always say stuff like this. Buy out clauses benefit the player and only the player. Why would we want to have a buy out clause in a contract? Especially as low as £6m. A buy out clause doesn't mean a club is going to give us a guaranteed bid of £6m the only thing it does is put a ceiling on what we can make from him and take any decisions completely out of our hands. What if we go on to win the league, get a good Euro run with Tav being the star man and club captain and could be worth double that but you've put in a £6m release clause? Release clauses are not good things. If £6m is his value then clubs will bid that whether he has a clause or not, if they weren't going to bid £6m in the first place they aren't going to bid it with a release clause in it either. That's not true. chris182 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Are we just forgetting his shitebag performances last season? He has three years left that’s plenty, if he has a brilliant season by all means offer him something at the end of it but not now. chris182 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,609 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Broxi said: How does a buy out clause protect us ? Do you not understand what a buy out clause is If it's set for higher than we value a player then the club, player and agent all know what's needed for another club to buy him. It can remove a player being deliberately unsettled and can give a buying club a simple decision to make without need for a bidding war. I understand it's not all positives, but neither is it all negative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,473 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: If it's set for higher than we value a player then the club, player and agent all know what's needed for another club to buy him. It can remove a player being deliberately unsettled and can give a buying club a simple decision to make without need for a bidding war. I understand it's not all positives, but neither is it all negative. Setting a £6m release clause on Tavernier would be a ridiculous decision. The only way it's okay if it's set ridiculously high otherwise you're just limiting yourself to no benefit. Anything less than £12m release clause would be a stupid decision and there's just no point putting one in if Tavernier and his agent don't demand one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 30,766 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 In Steven Gerrard we trust. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,609 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Broxi said: Setting a £6m release clause on Tavernier would be a ridiculous decision. The only way it's okay if it's set ridiculously high otherwise you're just limiting yourself to no benefit. Anything less than £12m release clause would be a stupid decision and there's just no point putting one in if Tavernier and his agent don't demand one. So why a 12m pound one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, GOAT said: Are we just forgetting his shitebag performances last season? He has three years left that’s plenty, if he has a brilliant season by all means offer him something at the end of it but not now. How can anyone forget any of these apparent shitebag performances, when you keep posting about them every 5 minutes. What time we meeting today mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,473 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: So why a 12m pound one? Because realistically his value is not going to go above that no matter if he has a good season or not but I'm not saying that either. I'm saying there's no point voluntarily putting one in at all, but if there is one then anything below 12m is stupid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, ianferguson said: WBA would probably have doubled his wages and bottom line is he'd not be a happy player if we didn't pay him the going rate. Who do you know what WBA would pay him. So if any player gets an offer put in and the wages are better, then he says no to the move we should just match that wage. Are you Martin Bain?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, big blue Fin said: Possibly to protect our investment in the player this time? Add in a buy out clause at a sensible number, say £6/7m which if he continues to play the way he has been would be completely justified. He’s protected for the length of his contract. Buy out clause just means we have to let him talk to a club if he wants it doesn’t protect him from leaving Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,609 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Broxi said: Because realistically his value is not going to go above that no matter if he has a good season or not but I'm not saying that either. I'm saying there's no point voluntarily putting one in at all, but if there is one then anything below 12m is stupid. Yup. A higher one than we expect his value to reach can be a good thing for us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,473 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Yup. A higher one than we expect his value to reach can be a good thing for us. But unnecessary. Only suitable value is one beyond his potential value in which case no club will pay it anyway so it's irrelevant. If you want to stick a £20m release clause on Tav go ahead because it's irrelevant but anyone who thinks putting a £6m one on him voluntarily is good business is off their head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesteel 218 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 hours ago, EatDolphins said: 3 years is plenty. Keeps him here and any tranfer will be top dorra. I expect we want to give him a pay rise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, BlueMe said: How can anyone forget any of these apparent shitebag performances, when you keep posting about them every 5 minutes. What time we meeting today mate? Viceroy anytime after half 1 as I said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, GOAT said: Viceroy anytime after half 1 as I said. Ok mate. Will i just go up to the fattest guy in there and ask if his name's GOAT? I don't really want to offend the wrong fat person. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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