Leeds_Bear 8,062 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Smile said: I thought people would like to see the information posted side by side obviously its a bit tough to read for some. Nope, perfectly easy to digest, a nine year old could put that level of analysis together though. Deep down you must understand that does not tell the whole story. I'm not saying everything is rosy but comparing the situation to Pedro or even Warburton is ludicrous and lazy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, eejay the dj said: Never thought I'd see the day when we were comparing our NEW manager to a man that was pretty universally acknowledged as a complete failure Being humped by Beggars many times and who could forget Progress Funny how Europe counted as failure for him Yes it's not counted as success for SG? He's been praised for his success in Europe and rightly so this doesn't excuse his results in the Spl. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Leeds_Bear said: Nope, perfectly easy to digest, a nine year old could put that level of analysis together though. Deep down you must understand that does not tell the whole story. I'm not saying everything is rosy but comparing the situation to Pedro or even Warburton is ludicrous and lazy. Facts and stats never tell the whole story but to ignore them is equally daft. Gerrard could go on to be a great Manager at us he could be another numpty like Pedro. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,794 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Leeds_Bear said: Nope, perfectly easy to digest, a nine year old could put that level of analysis together though. Deep down you must understand that does not tell the whole story. I'm not saying everything is rosy but comparing the situation to Pedro or even Warburton is ludicrous and lazy. Comparing the situation to Pedro is very fair. 2 unknown managers, both having to do a full overhaul of a shit squad, both with identical domestic results so far. Only Gerrard's Euro form is keeping him in a job so far and anyone who thinks otherwise is more caught up in Gerrard as a person/celebrity than as a manager. That being said, his Euro form & the fact he speaks we'll should give him longer than Pedro got but there has to be a noticeable improvement come the turn of the year Smile 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, Smile said: He's been praised for his success in Europe and rightly so this doesn't excuse his results in the Spl. It's no comparison at this moment in time IMO Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, Valance1690 said: Comparing the situation to Pedro is very fair. 2 unknown managers, both having to do a full overhaul of a shit squad, both with identical domestic results so far. Only Gerrard's Euro form is keeping him in a job so far and anyone who thinks otherwise is more caught up in Gerrard as a person/celebrity than as a manager. That being said, his Euro form & the fact he speaks we'll should give him longer than Pedro got but there has to be a noticeable improvement come the turn of the year I do not want him sacked have said that many times but we can't just brush off his failings as he's Gerrard the Liverpool Legend. Valance1690 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,259 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Remember that press conference Caixinha had about the tactics he tried to use to clamp down on Scott Brown and it was completely incomprehensible? Fuck me man. ForeverAndEver and Bronzy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, eejay the dj said: It's no comparison at this monthly in time IMO We will agree to disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger ranger 922 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, McEwan's Lager said: I said at home. Lets face it, even in our best seasons we’ve been done over at Parkhead. Under Advocaat springs to mind. But it’s so galling to have it done to you at home. It ruins teams psychologically. Under Gerrard it’s not going to happen. Home or away, it could happen if the team is set up as at parkhead, but score lines apart, this squad isn't good enough and Gerrard isn't doing any better in the SPL than previous managers. Bringing in another manager won't change anything, its Gerrard who needs to change his overall plan for next season as he is stuck with the current players, at one stage of the game last night he had three wide men on the pitch and we didn't look like scoring with two on the pitch, he seems to use wide men as subs is the answer to our problems, in other games also, something has to change!!. The No.9 and Smile 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50ShadesofBlue 667 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 We're only 4 points off celtic and 3 points off 3rd place with a game in hand. cushynumber and gogzy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, Smile said: Facts and stats never tell the whole story but to ignore them is equally daft. Gerrard could go on to be a great Manager at us he could be another numpty like Pedro. Especially when the stats ignore more games than it includes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Pedro just won the Copa MX Apertura in Mexico with Cruz Azul and Gerrard has not. So there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 minute ago, danger ranger said: Home or away, it could happen if the team is set up as at parkhead, but score lines apart, this squad isn't good enough and Gerrard isn't doing any better in the SPL than previous managers. Bringing in another manager won't change anything, its Gerrard who needs to change his overall plan for next season as he is stuck with the current players, at one stage of the game last night he had three wide men on the pitch and we didn't look like scoring with two on the pitch, he seems to use wide men as subs is the answer to our problems, in other games also, something has to change!!. 3 minutes ago, Valance1690 said: Comparing the situation to Pedro is very fair. 2 unknown managers, both having to do a full overhaul of a shit squad, both with identical domestic results so far. Only Gerrard's Euro form is keeping him in a job so far and anyone who thinks otherwise is more caught up in Gerrard as a person/celebrity than as a manager. That being said, his Euro form & the fact he speaks we'll should give him longer than Pedro got but there has to be a noticeable improvement come the turn of the year Good to see some posters making pertinent points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,794 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Smile said: I do not want him sacked have said that many times but we can't just brush off his failings as he's Gerrard the Liverpool Legend. Don't want him sacked either, really don't, desperate for the guy to do well, for us more than him obviously But he does seem to be immune to the critiscim of previous managers even though he has many of the same failings Smile and The No.9 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, The Dude said: Especially when the stats ignore more games than it includes. I may get a job at the Record yet. danger ranger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 minute ago, 50ShadesofBlue said: We're only 4 points off celtic and 3 points off 3rd place with a game in hand. Indeed. we are not that badly positioned. Under pedro we were 8 points of celtic at the same time. We need a wee spark at the moment though Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 39 minutes ago, Smile said: Compare and contrast. I guess a contrast is Gerrard had two tough away ties at Sellik and Aberdeen, something Pedro never had Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 "only gerrards euro form keeping him in a job" is the most misguided rationale I have possibly ever heard. AyrshireBlue and gogzy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, Smile said: I may get a job at the Record yet. I thought you were The Sun's messenger? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 34,987 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Obviously Caixinhas actual start is just airbrushed from history. ForeverAndEver 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, The Dude said: I thought you were The Sun's messenger? Scottish Sun by the looks of things. Get your facts right Mr reporter. The Dude 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, The Dude said: I thought you were The Sun's messenger? I see myself more as the voice of reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,062 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Valance1690 said: Comparing the situation to Pedro is very fair. 2 unknown managers, both having to do a full overhaul of a shit squad, both with identical domestic results so far. Only Gerrard's Euro form is keeping him in a job so far and anyone who thinks otherwise is more caught up in Gerrard as a person/celebrity than as a manager. That being said, his Euro form & the fact he speaks we'll should give him longer than Pedro got but there has to be a noticeable improvement come the turn of the year If you compare the whole situation then yes, you can compare them. The example given tells only half the story and is therefore rubbish in my eyes. cushynumber 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, Prso's headband said: Obviously Caixinhas actual start is just airbrushed from history. Obviously did not fit in with my thread neither did the Euro results but I think we have covered that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, cushynumber said: Scottish Sun by the looks of things. Get your facts right Mr reporter. ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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