Brubear 2,905 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 44 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: I have a different opinion on Lee Wallace Loyalty to me means nothing if that loyalty produces nothing of note in the long term. That’s just my opinion it may be unpopular but legends lift trophies. His inability to lift top level trophies was hindered by circumstances outside his control. On his day he could have held a place in a trophy winning team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,521 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: No I’m not, Gerrard’s a footballing legend, not a Rangers one. Wallace is a Rangers one, not a footballing one. What if he takes us to 55, 56, 57 will he become a Rangers one then? Wallace should be complimented for staying and earning good money to look after his family. I’ll give him that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,905 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 47 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: I have a different opinion on Lee Wallace Loyalty to me means nothing if that loyalty produces nothing of note in the long term. That’s just my opinion it may be unpopular but legends lift trophies. Guess that makes Stephen Naismith a legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,365 Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: What if he takes us to 55, 56, 57 will he become a Rangers one then? Wallace should be complimented for staying and earning good money to look after his family. I’ll give him that Maybe. I'll think of it more as helping the club while the rats that never gave a fuck fucked off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,354 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Brubear said: Does that define a legend to you. Yes, exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,521 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brubear said: His inability to lift top level trophies was hindered by circumstances outside his control. On his day he could have held a place in a trophy winning team. Did you see him against Alloa, QOS, Falkirk and the likes? Remember he played in a team that spunked 15 points to allow the tarriers to win the league in 2011- 2012. Do you remember that run of about ten games or something that we couldn’t buy a win? But perhaps a better manager may have helped him. Like erm Gerrard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,007 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: What if he takes us to 55, 56, 57 will he become a Rangers one then? Wallace should be complimented for staying and earning good money to look after his family. I’ll give him that Whoever is in charge when we lift 55 will become a legend, the entire team that does it will be remembered forever. It'll be some day to be alive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,521 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: Maybe. I'll think of it more as helping the club while the rats that never gave a fuck fucked off. He could of helped by TUPing over then leaving on a nice transfer fee 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,354 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 29 minutes ago, fanaticCR said: Naismith and Whittaker more legendary than Wallace then? You can taint a terrific legacy by a single action, removing any ‘legendary’ recognition. Wallace did the opposite, enhanced his legacy by staying, while achieving fuck all aside from some of the most embarassing results in our club’s history (not solely his fault obviously). In terms of their footballing contribution, Wallace shouldn’t even be in the same discussion as them (feel dirty saying that). Edit: I’d add that Wallace has been treated shabbily with regards to his departure. We should have a statement thanking any player that leaves, never mind a former captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,521 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, ForeverAndEver said: How many trophies etc then? If he wanted to stay to try get back in to the team then why shouldn’t he? Also, the staying too long argument, McCoist not a legend then? McCoist fits your exact criteria as Wallace Tup’ed over and stayed - loyal and true he also fits my criteria - won nothing of note as a manager and did a really shite job of it - Wallace did the same as a football player difference is - McCoist was a legend in footballing terms but not as a manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 55 minutes ago, fanaticCR said: Naismith and Whittaker more legendary than Wallace then? Being part of successful teams and winning trophies made them legends, leaving in the manner they did then ruined that status for them. Lee Wallace seems to have become a legend in the eyes of some purely because he stayed when those 2, plus the others, left. That doesn't make him a legend imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr3_bear 14,807 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, KeyserSoze said: We agree on a lot F&F but not on Lee Wallace yes, silverware, cups, leagues and a true winning mentality that brings success. Not hanging around our club for a season or two longer than need be. We could have freed up his wage if only he was desperate to leave (which he wasn’t). Cups and league are easy to use as a measure in more normal circumstances. Wallace never played for us in what can be classed as a normal situation. We were thrown into the lower leagues and surrounded by turmoil for about 6 years of his time here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,365 Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: Being part of successful teams and winning trophies made them legends, leaving in the manner they did then ruined that status for them. Lee Wallace seems to have become a legend in the eyes of some purely because he stayed when those 2, plus the others, left. That doesn't make him a legend imo. I hope that first paragraph was an attempt at fishing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,365 Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 32 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: McCoist fits your exact criteria as Wallace Tup’ed over and stayed - loyal and true he also fits my criteria - won nothing of note as a manager and did a really shite job of it - Wallace did the same as a football player difference is - McCoist was a legend in footballing terms but not as a manager Manager is different from players though imo. As much as I don’t really like him or a decent percentage of the players I’ll always have a bit of respect for them staying/joining at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: I hope that first paragraph was an attempt at fishing I despise them both but if they hadn't left in the manner they did then both would have a good case to be considered legends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,365 Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: I despise them both but if they hadn't left in the manner they did then both would have a good case to be considered legends. No they don’t. Miller and Boyd are bigger ‘legends’ and none of them are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, ForeverAndEver said: Maybe. I'll think of it more as helping the club while the rats that never gave a fuck fucked off. Not sure how staying at the club on huge wages helped the club tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,365 Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, BlueMe said: Not sure how staying at the club on huge wages helped the club tbh. One of the only senior players to stay, obviously helps, but you already knew that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: One of the only senior players to stay, obviously helps, but you already knew that. Probably hurt us more financially than any of the 'rats' did tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,521 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: One of the only senior players to stay, obviously helps, but you already knew that. He was only with us a season. How is that making him senior? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,365 Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 minute ago, BlueMe said: Probably hurt us more financially than any of the 'rats' did tbh. Liar. 1 minute ago, KeyserSoze said: He was only with us a season. How is that making him senior? He was 24, that makes him senior. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: Liar. The facts are all there if you look tbh. I would show you them but cba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,365 Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 Just now, BlueMe said: The facts are all there if you look tbh. I would show you them but cba. Typical of you eh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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