The Gaffers Naivety

[chris182 6,279]

When is Goldson back?

[backup 4,724]

If worral didn't think he is Beckenbauer we probably would have a different perspective today, a winning one.

[chris182 6,279]

11 minutes ago, Bearsden bear said:

Not a tactical expert but think the system last night needs quicker, more mobile centre halfs.

With narrower set up it meant the CD were being dragged out to the wing to cover full backs. (No candieas/ k0lto cover) Obviously cost Macaulay a booking initially then the 2nd goal he couldn't  make a challenge.

Would only use 442 (diamond) against diddy teams at home as we are going to get done on the flanks when we lose possession upfield. Big lumbering defenders one vs one with winger isn't going to end well.

Good point 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613]

13 minutes ago, backup said:

If worral didn't think he is Beckenbauer we probably would have a different perspective today, a winning one.

Beckenbaur played out from the back. Fuck all similarity to Worrall who couldn't even turn back from an opponent and pass back to keeper before being tackled and skinned.

No correlation whatsoever.

[backup 4,724]

43 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Fuck all similarity to Worrall

Maybe worral will catch on too.

[sausagetrunks 6,016]

48 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Beckenbaur played out from the back. Fuck all similarity to Worrall who couldn't even turn back from an opponent and pass back to keeper before being tackled and skinned.

No correlation whatsoever.

it really was bad, wasn't it.  mind numbing.  i honestly cant see him starting at weekend. 

 

 

[The Specky Forum Organiser 64,428]

I don't think he's naive as such but he clearly can't motivate the players for games like that

Osijek, Maribor, Ufa, Villarreall, Vienna, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen. We've went to all these places and every player has given their all, we haven't always got the result but the commitment of the team can't be questioned yet Motherwell, Livi, St Johnstone, Dundee, St Mirren, Hamilton and Kilmarnock we haven't shown up. The players think they have a right to just turn up to these places and win. Doesn't work like that.

I put more blame on the players than him for this if I'm honest

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613]

9 minutes ago, backup said:

Maybe worral will catch on too.

That one I'll give you.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613]

7 minutes ago, sausagetrunks said:

it really was bad, wasn't it.  mind numbing.  i honestly cant see him starting at weekend. 

 

 

Horrendous.

[The Specky Forum Organiser 64,428]

13 hours ago, 6superbarry6 said:

People would be screaming for his head if he wasn’t Steven Gerrard 

Aye that's all it is, nothing to do with the fact that until last night everyone thought we would win the league and the European run. That has nothing to do with it...

[cushynumber 25,178]

13 hours ago, Pure_Quality said:

The bits in bold are bullshit.

There's one player in our team who could be called an average or old EPL player who might be a 'failure' and that's McAuley, who's been absolutely fine so far. 

Defoe isn't an average EPL player. He's the 10th highest goalscorer in the EPL and scored 20 goals for England. He might be old but he's definitely not a failure.

Davis is the captain of his country and played 23 EPL games last season, and has won the title with us in the past. Likewise he might be old but hardly a failure.

Any chance you could point out which other SPL players have that pedigree, coz there's obviously a good number of the league is 'littered with these failures'?

Roy Keane,  krancar, Barton, ian Wright,  Robbie keane. off the top of my head.

You deliberately missing out the semi fit part?

[backup 4,724]

Souness was the exception to the general rule. It is no secret that myself and ED had doubts as to SG being up to The Rangers job, being lacking in experience for such a huge club with great (and rightly so) expectations.

SG appears to be exhibiting quite a few of mccoist's traits as we get deeper into his tenure, mccallister doesn't seem to have any input at all that sways SG, can only hope he snaps out of it and takes a different rod of iron approach, just like Souness favoured.

[KingKirk 25,602]

20 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Horrendous.

No excuse for the mistake however were is his options to make a forward pass? That's the issue and just that still makes me believe that the players aren't 100% behind this style. Or they just don't understand it

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613]

Just now, KingKirk said:

No excuse for the mistake however were is his options to make a forward pass? That's the issue and just that still makes me believe that the players aren't 100% behind this style. Or they just don't understand it

Even if there were no options, you don't get in a position where you can get robbed.

The keeper is always on, a long ball into the space out wide was on.  He seemed to gesture at the time that there wasn't a pass on but that's looking for excuses from a howler which was all his fault.

[KingKirk 25,602]

1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Even if there were no options, you don't get in a position where you can get robbed.

The keeper is always on, a long ball into the space out wide was on.  He seemed to gesture at the time that there wasn't a pass on but that's looking for excuses from a howler which was all his fault.

100% agree but that's always been our problem joking aside the top teams play that pass into midfield or out wide without even thinking about it. The man in possession always has 4-5options on the ball. If we are gonna stick with this playing it out we need to fully commit it feels a bit half arsed atm.

[Cedrick 8,048]

You bring in players to fit your successful system not change the full system to suit the new player 

[TMB 14,167]

23 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

No excuse for the mistake however were is his options to make a forward pass? 

It's normally the job of the CDM to come back and pick the ball up out of defense.  Really experienced ones come that far back they sometimes split the defence.  If you watch the clip back you see Jack is only about 10 yards away from Worrall.  The fault is with Worrall alone he's carried the ball up near Brophy, taken far too long on the ball, and been caught in possession.

[KingKirk 25,602]

7 minutes ago, TMB said:

It's normally the job of the CDM to come back and pick the ball up out of defense.  Really experienced ones come that far back they sometimes split the defence.  If you watch the clip back you see Jack is only about 10 yards away from Worrall.  The fault is with Worrall alone he's carried the ball up near Brophy, taken far too long on the ball, and been caught in possession.

👍 blame is 100%with Worrall however we were far to open defensively mate. Its only a still picture but fuck sake. Always remember watching pep masterclass on sky and he was constantly banging on about overloading the middle of the park to make sure the man in position always had a out. How it's important to make sure your starting positions are correct.

[hammer93 15,056]

5 hours ago, DBBTB said:

Warburton refused to change his system and people complained about it because what he was doing wasn’t working on a weekly basis.

What Gerrard did last night was nothing more than him trying to shoehorn two big name players who are still short of match fitness into the side in one of the toughest away games we play all season. It’s not the time to try something different, especially coming off the back of the celtic game where what we did worked perfectly.

There’s no way to dress it up as anything other than bad management. There might still be a lot of football left to play but what he did last night has cost us the league. That was a must win game and he fucked it.

Right you say he shoehorned?

By peoples thoughts on Davis & Defoe in here after last night we would have been better off not signing them, so if we never signed anyone for the squad from the 1st half of the season this place would be in meltdown, he tried something different last night and it was working until the bombscare  fucked it, the new system was working, my concern with Gerrard was that he didn't change something at half time when the game was swinging in killies favour 

[BlueSuedeSambas 53,749]

14 minutes ago, hammer93 said:

Right you say he shoehorned?

By peoples thoughts on Davis & Defoe in here after last night we would have been better off not signing them, so if we never signed anyone for the squad from the 1st half of the season this place would be in meltdown, he tried something different last night and it was working until the bombscare  fucked it, the new system was working, my concern with Gerrard was that he didn't change something at half time when the game was swinging in killies favour 

Nobody is saying we shouldn’t have signed them though are they? 

The general consensus seems to be that with the exception of McAuley for Goldson the team that started last night should have been the one that started the OF game because those players had earned their places.

Gerrard said Defoe & Davis would have to earn their places in the side and IIRC he also said they were short of match fitness (understandable when they haven’t played much) so why is he starting them in an important game when they are short of sharpness and why is he experimenting with the system and formation to try and accommodate them?

It doesn’t take a managerial genius to know that an away game at one of the hardest sides to beat in the league isn’t the best time to experiment. It barely worked against HJK so if you want to try it again then surely you do it at home against a bottom half side and see how it works before testing it in a bigger game?

[hammer93 15,056]

6 minutes ago, DBBTB said:

Nobody is saying we shouldn’t have signed them though are they? 

The general consensus seems to be that with the exception of McAuley for Goldson the team that started last night should have been the one that started the OF game because those players had earned their places.

Gerrard said Defoe & Davis would have to earn their places in the side and IIRC he also said they were short of match fitness (understandable when they haven’t played much) so why is he starting them in an important game when they are short of sharpness and why is he experimenting with the system and formation to try and accommodate them?

It doesn’t take a managerial genius to know that an away game at one of the hardest sides to beat in the league isn’t the best time to experiment. It barely worked against HJK so if you want to try it again then surely you do it at home against a bottom half side and see how it works before testing it in a bigger game?

My point is the team that played against the tims was set up to press them fast especially when they tried attacking us...does the same formation work against a team who are happy for you to have the ball and sit deep making it hard to break down? Clarkes tactics mirror those of Mcinnes at the sheep, 4 league games against the two and we have won only 2 points and scored 3 goals!!!

We were masters of our own downfall last night by the mistakes we made. 

[6superbarry6 14,148]

Tbh I wouldn’t be arsed if Davis and Defoe never signed, don’t see what Davis can offer at this stage of his career that Jack doesn’t and I’m worried Morelos form is going to suffer as we try and accommodate a 36yo Defoe

[MasterD 7,435]

1 hour ago, Cedrick said:

You bring in players to fit your successful system not change the full system to suit the new player 

What successful system?

[Cedrick 8,048]

13 minutes ago, MasterD said:

What successful system?

4-5-1 without the ball 4-3-3 with, tried 3-5-2 Motherwell shambles , tried 4-4-2 piggery and Livi away shambles , ST Johnstone away changing to 4-4-2 did put more pressure on them going into the last ten I admit ,yeah we’ve dropped points to playing the 4-5-1 without 4-3-3 with but it’s the only formation the players look comfortable with and had the most success with especially the obliteration of celtic 3 weeks ago 

[Cedrick 8,048]

23 minutes ago, 6superbarry6 said:

Tbh I wouldn’t be arsed if Davis and Defoe never signed, don’t see what Davis can offer at this stage of his career that Jack doesn’t and I’m worried Morelos form is going to suffer as we try and accommodate a 36yo Defoe

Davis can slot into one of the usual 3 centre mids system no problem it’s signing defoe I think is going to create the problem , before it was black and white , buffalo up top, if he’s suspended big laff up top , Defoe can’t play as the lone striker so now like last night we’re going to potentially play players all over the place in ridiculous formations to get Defoe into the team