Popular Post islanderbear84 608 Posted March 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2019 A very interesting arguement tonight from Professor Sir Tom Devine who is a historian and he puts all of the current sectarian uproar down to the media. It sells papers simply. But it has long gone from the days of where it refelcted something worse in society. That part has gone and all it is now is singing at a game and people go home to their families. The media want it to be a sign of a bigger issue as in west central scotland this type of fanfare fills shelf space. Good to hear the opinion of someone with a brain on the matter on the TV for a change. sRcFoCt, lefkada, Bad Robot and 38 others 41 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,204 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 He’ll be rounded on by the MSM Billythebear77 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,242 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, islanderbear84 said: A very interesting arguement tonight from Professor Sir Tom Devine who is a historian and he puts all of the current sectarian uproar down to the media. It sells papers simply. But it has long gone from the days of where it refelcted something worse in society. That part has gone and all it is now is singing at a game and people go home to their families. The media want it to be a sign of a bigger issue as in west central scotland this type of fanfare fills shelf space. Good to hear the opinion of someone with a brain on the matter on the TV for a change. Need to get this on catch up. Sounds interesting. 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,010 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, Big Al II said: He’ll be rounded on by the MSM Nah, they’ll ignore him and keep selling papers Blumhoilann 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
islanderbear84 608 Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Need to get this on catch up. Sounds interesting. 👍 I maybe reacted to this first part of his arguement too quickly as he rounded off by saying that he is a catholic himself and that there is no evidence denominational schools cause further sectarian divides. He had started so well! But he clearly lays a big chunk of the blame with the media. The singing etc is a football specific thing now and people throwing chairs, bottles, coins etc etc is just football hooligan behaviour but to suggest it is sectarian is ludicrous! CoopsLaud 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,010 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, islanderbear84 said: I maybe reacted to this first part of his arguement too quickly as he rounded off by saying that he is a catholic himself and that there is no evidence denominational schools cause further sectarian divides. He had started so well! But he clearly lays a big chunk of the blame with the media. The singing etc is a football specific thing now and people throwing chairs, bottles, coins etc etc is just football hooligan behaviour but to suggest it is sectarian is ludicrous! No pape is going to condemn segregated schools but he is right about the media. It used to be the case that audiences in Glasgow theatres would throw stuff at an act that they thought was rubbish, no news paper headlines back then. Bobby Hume, JCDBigBear and scottyscott1963 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scottyscott1963 17,994 Posted March 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2019 Heard Fraser the shitebag players rep on mumbling something about protecting players. Hell fuckin mend you all. Players were assaulted at Hampden a couple of years ago,one in particular was Lee Wallace who was on the receiving end of shitey abuse,even on International duty and you never uttered a word ya utter cunt. This was an attack on a member club for years and reap what you sow ya fuckin clowns. Have to add that the fuckin ugly hag was wheeled out in support of trannys,and thought that it was something she had found out about Brenda,switched off within 5 seconds. Would imagine she had something to say about segregating kids at the age of 5,in the name of religion. Wouldn't imagine the papes would agree to separate schools for different genders. So why the fuck in the 21st century do they think it's right to separate them to get brainwashed into the papish faith. They must know it's a busted flush with the amount of abuse by every second priest in this vile faith. Burnbank Derry, Bobby Hume, Blumhoilann and 8 others 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, islanderbear84 said: A very interesting arguement tonight from Professor Sir Tom Devine who is a historian and he puts all of the current sectarian uproar down to the media. It sells papers simply. But it has long gone from the days of where it refelcted something worse in society. That part has gone and all it is now is singing at a game and people go home to their families. The media want it to be a sign of a bigger issue as in west central scotland this type of fanfare fills shelf space. Good to hear the opinion of someone with a brain on the matter on the TV for a change. He won't be invited back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Theulstervolunteer 1,859 Posted March 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2019 Devine’s a papish bastard . It’s no coincidence that as soon as the tarriers are pulled into the debate for their singing and behaviour all of a sudden it’s not as bad an issue as first thought .... Bobby Hume, Courtyard Bear, dougie76 and 12 others 15 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlueAvenger 10,003 Posted March 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, islanderbear84 said: I maybe reacted to this first part of his arguement too quickly as he rounded off by saying that he is a catholic himself and that there is no evidence denominational schools cause further sectarian divides. He had started so well! But he clearly lays a big chunk of the blame with the media. The singing etc is a football specific thing now and people throwing chairs, bottles, coins etc etc is just football hooligan behaviour but to suggest it is sectarian is ludicrous! Devine and his ilk will never admit apartheid schools cause bigotry. BridgeIsBlue, JCDBigBear, AlbertzLoyalRSC and 8 others 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
islanderbear84 608 Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Theulstervolunteer said: Devine’s a papish bastard . It’s no coincidence that as soon as the tarriers are pulled into the debate for their singing and behaviour all of a sudden it’s not as bad an issue as first thought .... True. By the end of his diatribe I realised it was mostly to serve the dark side of the city. Had there been no outing of their pro-terrorist 'folks songs' and only our songs in the limelight, im sure he would have been on with a different tune. True Hair Bear and Theulstervolunteer 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,524 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, scottyscott1963 said: Heard Fraser the shitebag players rep on mumbling something about protecting players. Hell fuckin mend you all. Players were assaulted at Hampden a couple of years ago,one in particular was Lee Wallace who was on the receiving end of shitey abuse,even on International duty and you never uttered a word ya utter cunt. This was an attack on a member club for years and reap what you sow ya fuckin clowns. Pretty sure Wishart did complain about the threat to player's safety that day. rbt1548 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyscott1963 17,994 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Inigo said: Pretty sure Wishart did complain about the threat to player's safety that day. Said it under his breath instead of shouting from the rooftops,and actually calling for sanctions against the club who's fans were responsible. Bobby Hume and eejay the dj 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,556 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Theulstervolunteer said: Devine’s a papish bastard . It’s no coincidence that as soon as the tarriers are pulled into the debate for their singing and behaviour all of a sudden it’s not as bad an issue as first thought .... I knew there had to be a reason for Devine sounding half reasonable (I did not hear him myself), you have just hit the nail on the head with why he will have been saying it is no great deal. Bobby Hume 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post islanderbear84 608 Posted March 4, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, scottyscott1963 said: Said it under his breath instead of shouting from the rooftops,and actually calling for sanctions against the club who's fans were responsible. Words, a song or a coin towards players of a certain type of player in scotland, demands a wholly different response to a right hook by a fan to a player of the opposing type of player in scotland, or so it would seem!!! Bobby Hume, Bears r us, scottyscott1963 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyinroyalblue 16,478 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 No disrespect to @islanderbear84 but I'm bored to tears with all this sectarian chat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,524 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, scottyscott1963 said: Said it under his breath instead of shouting from the rooftops,and actually calling for sanctions against the club who's fans were responsible. He was pretty rooftop shouty. Condemned the behaviour and threat to players' safety and called for an inquiry which, given only one set of players was attacked by one set of fans, is effectively a call for a probe of the actions of Hibs supporters. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/shocking-new-hibernian-Rangers-fan-8034397 OhW and Blumhoilann 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
islanderbear84 608 Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, sandyinroyalblue said: No disrespect to @islanderbear84 but I'm bored to tears with all this sectarian chat. We all are but its not often you see something on the TV blaming the media for it. And also just sharing an opinion. hawkeye 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyscott1963 17,994 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just wait till the fenian msp dornan produces his SL. We have to be on our guard when he starts waving it about. We aint asking for favours,just the same treatment across the board. But you can bet your last thin fuckin dime that I am watching you ya fuckin weasel. Bears r us and Bobby Hume 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bears r us 30,556 Posted March 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, sandyinroyalblue said: No disrespect to @islanderbear84 but I'm bored to tears with all this sectarian chat. We all are mate, but we need to watch and listen to what is happening because we will be at the sharp end of any proposed sanctions unfortunately. Bobby Hume, HG5, scottyscott1963 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyscott1963 17,994 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Inigo said: He was pretty rooftop shouty. Condemned the behaviour and threat to players' safety and called for an inquiry which, given only one set of players was attacked by one set of fans, is effectively a call for a probe of the actions of Hibs supporters. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/shocking-new-hibernian-Rangers-fan-8034397 You win. I called for an inquiry as well. He should've been kicking doors in,in regards to players he is responsible for. All of a sudden 3 years down the road he appears,and the team responsible are now throwing buckfast bottles at players. Bobby Hume 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyc06 6,902 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 I think there's a few factors to it. The media is definitely one of them. Politics another, using this as a way to generate publicity & votes. Social media has a big part to play as well, as it gives the snowflakes a platform. The current "sectarianism" is practically non existent compared to the 90s, and it was probably worse before then. Yet it is now being branded as a big problem because a fenian got called a fenian? scottyscott1963, Bobby Hume and JCDBigBear 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,524 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, scottyscott1963 said: You win. I called for an inquiry as well. He should've been kicking doors in,in regards to players he is responsible for. All of a sudden 3 years down the road he appears,and the team responsible are now throwing buckfast bottles at players. In terms of public pronouncements, which was your complaint, he did what he should gave done. Part of his job is diplomacy, so I'd expect much of what he'd do to be behind the scenes. Neither you nor I know anything about that. And I'd say it's pretty unreasonable to make him responsible in any way for what Hibs fans (and various other fans, including ours) are doing 3 years later. See this kind of stuff, it's not helpful. Just makes us come across as perpetual greetin faces if we start attacking folk like Fraser Wishart, who's pretty obviously a decent guy with no axe to grind. VentyFour 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,610 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 magic8ball and Bobby Hume 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 12,664 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Just now, BLUEDIGNITY said: You're doing well tonight mate ...... a picture says 10,000 words ...... but a picture of a chicken supper speaks volumes about the sly tricks the tarriers will get up to to play down any part in the so called divide their sectarian club is involved in ... and also being wound up by the complicit media to point the finger towards Ibrox. BLUEDIGNITY and scottyscott1963 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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