Burts91 427 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 If I remember correctly McCoist was 14 ahead of celtic until Naismith got injured then they ended up winning the league by around 24 (10 deducted). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hutton2008 said: To me it barely holds under scrutiny and it’s used as the only real defence to a poor season. The league and cups are the bread and butter. Aberdeen have been weakened so we should have leapfrogged them. We have signed 19 players loan and permanent, some big fees, and big wages and the consistency has been criminal. There should have been a genuine title challenge. celtic have been poor and were there for the taking. i just disagree. i wasnt expecting a title challenge this year at the start of the year. However actually when it came to xmas i was. maybe that increase in expectation is where the team bottles it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrick 8,048 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Definitely improved , gave them a lesson in December expected to kick on , not materialised , to many avarage players that brings the inconsistency which prevents us from going on a championship winning run , my biggest problem with Gerrard is the midfield, the player he was and eg he thinks the sun shines out Ryan jacks arse , the middle of the park needs addressed with at least 3 players that can create and score goals , if the budget doesn’t stretch to this he needs to spend hours transforming the current midfield on the training ground Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, Burts91 said: If I remember correctly McCoist was 14 ahead of celtic until Naismith got injured then they ended up winning the league by around 24 (10 deducted). You don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, plumbGER said: Walters team finished a solitary point ahead of the beggars the season before, 1 point. but your expecting a gerrard team in his first season to come out and hump them? how does that make sense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATP-FOREVER 5,231 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Team wise 5 / 10 Club wise 8 / 10 Media wise 8 / 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton2008 646 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, cushynumber said: i just disagree. i wasnt expecting a title challenge this year at the start of the year. However actually when it came to xmas i was. maybe that increase in expectation is where the team bottles it. Does anyone think Murty or warburton could have achieved at least the same points total as now with McGregor, Arfield, Morelos, the guts of £10m on 4 players because I certainly do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burts91 427 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, plumbGER said: You don't. We were 15 ahead and they won it by 20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, cushynumber said: but your expecting a gerrard team in his first season to come out and hump them? how does that make sense? It doesn't make sense because not once did I say I expect Gerrards team to come out and hump them, that's just nonsense from you. I do however expect them to be beating shite like Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee, St johnstone etc regularly. We currently stand 2 points closer to the beggars than we finished last season, lose the next game at the piggery will see us go 13 behind them, so if we finish 13 behind them then where is the improvement? Not like they have had it all plain sailing with Rodgers leaving and the Griffiths situation. People are getting far too carried away with what, for me, has been a massive let down of a season after promising early signs. However I trust that he can fix it and has probably let players know they won't be here hence their performance level dropping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Burts91 said: We were 15 ahead and they won it by 20. Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Hutton2008 said: Does anyone think Murty or warburton could have achieved at least the same points total as now with McGregor, Arfield, Morelos, the guys of £10m on 4 players because I certainly do. shagger - free tav - £250k Goldson £3M Worral loan barasic - £1M arfield - free kent - loan candies - free jack - free Mcrorie/coulibali/kamara - loan/free/25K Morelos £1m would LOVE to compare that to almost any team that mccoist had available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Hutton2008 said: Does anyone think Murty or warburton could have achieved at least the same points total as now with McGregor, Arfield, Morelos, the guys of £10m on 4 players because I certainly do. NO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,826 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Europe - 8/10, fell at the last hurdle but massively overachieved Domestically - 1/10, very poor, only 1 point better off than last season & out of both cups to a piss poor Aberdeen team. Transfers - 3/10, some signings started well & the free transfers have done well (Arfield/Mcgregor) but we've spent a good 5/6 million on 3 foreign players, all of whom I wouldn't be surprised to see getting punted in the summer. Overall would give him a 5/10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, Hutton2008 said: To me it barely holds under scrutiny and it’s used as the only real defence to a poor season. The league and cups are the bread and butter. Aberdeen have been weakened so we should have leapfrogged them. We have signed 19 players loan and permanent, some big fees, and big wages and the consistency has been criminal. There should have been a genuine title challenge. celtic have been poor and were there for the taking. I agree with all that but I also think we could not expect a manager with no experience to turn us around in nine months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, plumbGER said: It doesn't make sense because not once did I say I expect Gerrards team to come out and hump them, that's just nonsense from you. I do however expect them to be beating shite like Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee, St johnstone etc regularly. We currently stand 2 points closer to the beggars than we finished last season, lose the next game at the piggery will see us go 13 behind them, so if we finish 13 behind them then where is the improvement? Not like they have had it all plain sailing with Rodgers leaving and the Griffiths situation. People are getting far too carried away with what, for me, has been a massive let down of a season after promising early signs. However I trust that he can fix it and has probably let players know they won't be here hence their performance level dropping. whats your walter smith solitary point post about then? it appears to me you were trying to talk down the walter/ally team in order to reinforce your point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueteeth 2,185 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I think 6 would be fair, he has improved the team but has bought a few duds. Our European run cannot be dismissed, but our domestic inconsistency is the big problem and ultimately what goes against him. Apart from Europe, we don't seem to win the big big games - that needs to be addressed. Without Europe I would have said a 4 or 5, 6 including. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,465 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 at best. Europe at the time was great, should be beating 3 of the 4 in qualifiers but still great, should 100% have qualified through that group, last game against Rapid gives me the fear. Cups were embarrassing. League is rotten. celtic being shite and we’re as close just now as we were under Murty. His team selections absolutely baffles me a lot of the time. Overall sack him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr3_bear 14,830 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, McEwan's Lager said: McCoist beat celtic twice. And we were just as dominant in the 3-2 game as we were in this last win. Mcoist team was still heavily influenced by the team which just won 3 titles in a row under Smith. That team was already capable of matching or dominating an evenly matched celtic for 90 minutes. Gerrard produced it after 2 years of various humiliations to celtic. Since that game however we have hardly kicked a ball so it was just another false dawn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton2008 646 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, cushynumber said: shagger - free tav - £250k Goldson £3M Worral loan barasic - £1M arfield - free kent - loan candies - free jack - free Mcrorie/coulibali/kamara - loan/free/25K Morelos £1m would LOVE to compare that to almost any team that mccoist had available Katie and Grezda? 8 minutes ago, cushynumber said: shagger - free tav - £250k Goldson £3M Worral loan barasic - £1M arfield - free kent - loan candies - free jack - free Mcrorie/coulibali/kamara - loan/free/25K Morelos £1m would LOVE to compare that to almost any team that mccoist had available I didn’t mention mccoist. You forgot Katic and Grezda Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhW 4,669 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 The victory against them was sorely needed but they were awful that day. Teenager upfront, McGregor at left-back, we got them at the right time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Hutton2008 said: Katie and Grezda? I didn’t mention mccoist. You forgot Katic and Grezda Ive picked players that have not been injured regulary/that have played. I cant choose everybody - bang them both in if you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton2008 646 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Smile said: I agree with all that but I also think we could not expect a manager with no experience to turn us around in nine months. A manager with no experience shouldn’t have been at the helm. I was excited when he came in but reality set in. He doesn’t learn week in week out and I cant see him learning throughout the seasons tbh. Plenty of experienced managers could have come in and romped the league considering how shite the alleged top side is and has been. Too many people are blinded by Gerrard the exceptional player to see the below mediocre Gerrard the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton2008 646 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, cushynumber said: Ive picked players that have not been injured regulary/that have played. I cant choose everybody - bang them both in if you want. Once again I didn’t mention Mccoist or his squad so I don’t get your point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, cushynumber said: whats your walter smith solitary point post about then? it appears to me you were trying to talk down the walter/ally team in order to reinforce your point. Seems more like you were trying to make a point that Walter left Ally some sort of magnificent team to work with that he duly fucked up, meanwhile talking up Gerrards achievement of taking a pish Murty/Pedro side and making them much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Hutton2008 said: Once again I didn’t mention Mccoist or his squad so I don’t get your point. responding to 2 posters in the one post i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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