Creampuff 22,628 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, backup said: The Rangers the most successful club in world football says it all, improvement is more trophies, being 2nd is the improvement of those with limited horizons, which brings us back to dave. Improvement ≠ Success. You can have improvement without success, and you can have success without improvement. Stop conflating the two. The argument over whether or not we should have won more is one of whether or not there has been sufficient improvement, which is a totally different question to whether or not there has been improvement at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger4life_1872 29,446 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, magic8ball said: Saturday morning they had the highlights from the Hamilton 5 3 game on sky . Even just looking at the likes of Russell Martin playing shows there has been progression For Russel Martin I will give you mcauley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, ger4life_1872 said: For Russel Martin I will give you mcauley Martin was playing .Played almost every week after he signed . And even when he has played Mcauley edges out Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, Creampuff said: Improvement ≠ Success. You can have improvement without success, and you can have success without improvement. Stop conflating the two. The argument over whether or not we should have won more is one of whether or not there has been sufficient improvement, which is a totally different question to whether or not there has been improvement at all. You have nailed it .put it into the right words and the right order. This idea has been bouncing about my brain since the thread started but couldnt get them in written form . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backup 4,724 Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Creampuff said: Improvement ≠ Success. You can have improvement without success, and you can have success without improvement. Stop conflating the two. The argument over whether or not we should have won more is one of whether or not there has been sufficient improvement, which is a totally different question to whether or not there has been improvement at all. you sound like this guy👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd 10,756 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 On 15/04/2019 at 10:27, backup said: The Rangers the most successful club in world football says it all, improvement is more trophies, being 2nd is the improvement of those with limited horizons, which brings us back to dave. Nah being second is the improvement of those who didn’t finish second the last 2 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,618 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Compared to how we finished last season, and with 3 games still to go: Confirmed 2nd compared to 3rd 2 more points 2 more goals for Half the goals lost Stronger euro run & beating scum over 90mins. Now it's not enough, and mistakes and weaknesses by players and management need(ed) to be addressed. But by fuck this now puts to bed and proves the progress that undoubtedly has been made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,683 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Don't even care about the stats. It is plain to the naked eye that we are progressing. At least my moods tend to be better after games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,618 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, bluenoz said: Don't even care about the stats. It is plain to the naked eye that we are progressing. At least my moods tend to be better after games. Stats are the proof if needed, supported by what is obvious to the eye 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue92 308 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Has how this season has went put us in a better position to challenge for silverware next season? I think that is now the important question. Personally I think if we do well in the next transfer window then this season will have been a huge building block towards success. I feel we have a very decent core squad now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,618 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, ForeverBlue92 said: Has how this season has went put us in a better position to challenge for silverware next season? I think that is now the important question. Personally I think if we do well in the next transfer window then this season will have been a huge building block towards success. I feel we have a very decent core squad now. We now need 3 or 4 1st team players in key positions better than what we already have. We need consistency to go with ability. We need to grind out ugly wins. We need to cut out costly unnecessary individual errors. Manags this, then its entirely doable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,598 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2nd place clinched More goals scored Less goals conceded Higher points tally Definition of progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,618 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just now, BridgeIsBlue said: 2nd place clinched More goals scored Less goals conceded Higher points tally Definition of progress. What I said ya maniac 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,366 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Compared to how we finished last season, and with 3 games still to go: Confirmed 2nd compared to 3rd 2 more points 2 more goals for Half the goals lost Stronger euro run & beating scum over 90mins. Now it's not enough, and mistakes and weaknesses by players and management need(ed) to be addressed. But by fuck this now puts to bed and proves the progress that undoubtedly has been made. My 4-6 points prediction, is wrong thankfully. First time I’ve ever been wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhrfc 2,242 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Think about it from their perspective. Beat them at Ibrox and the team they had consigned to history will be finishing 6 points adrift. Just 6 points. Fine margins, had Jack made better contact with his shot at the girodome we may well have won that game and gone on to win the league on goal difference. We are that close. Ship out those that aren’t up for the fight and bring in 3 or 4 quality signings that will take us forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,618 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, ForeverAndEver said: My 4-6 points prediction, is wrong thankfully. First time I’ve ever been wrong It is between 4 and 6. And a wee bit more on top. So you're only half wrong. Sort of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reformation Bear 6,453 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, BridgeIsBlue said: 2nd place clinched More goals scored Less goals conceded Higher points tally Definition of progress. It is a definition of progress. The very fact that throughout this thread efforts are made to define it, to quantify it, to explain it, to rationalise it and so on, is at one level all very interesting. But arguably does not sufficiently pass the 'so what' test other than in the sense of trying to take some comfort from not winning any trophies yet again. Winning trophies is what matters - there would be no dissenters from that mark. Yet again we have won none. Maybe the debate needs to be reframed for next season away from 'progress' to 'trophy winning success'. That after all is, imo, what really matters in defining a Rangers team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 When SG arrived one of the first topics on his agenda was what he termed 'Fortress Ibrox'. Last season we lost 7 league games at home, this season we have lost ONE. Not trying to cherry-pick facts to suit but that alone is a major improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,618 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Reformation Bear said: It is a definition of progress. The very fact that throughout this thread efforts are made to define it, to quantify it, to explain it, to rationalise it and so on, is at one level all very interesting. But arguably does not sufficiently pass the 'so what' test other than in the sense of trying to take some comfort from not winning any trophies yet again. Winning trophies is what matters - there would be no dissenters from that mark. Yet again we have won none. Maybe the debate needs to be reframed for next season away from 'progress' to 'trophy winning success'. That after all is, imo, what really matters in defining a Rangers team. You're referring imo to "sufficient progress". For me, next year that is indeed silverware. And the need for 55 has to be part of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanjo 26,327 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 6 hours ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Compared to how we finished last season, and with 3 games still to go: Confirmed 2nd compared to 3rd 2 more points 2 more goals for Half the goals lost Stronger euro run & beating scum over 90mins. Now it's not enough, and mistakes and weaknesses by players and management need(ed) to be addressed. But by fuck this now puts to bed and proves the progress that undoubtedly has been made. Potentially we could be top scorers two years in a row. Really hope we have an eye on defensive cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,618 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, kanjo said: Potentially we could be top scorers two years in a row. Really hope we have an eye on defensive cover. It's no good winning 5 nil then drawing nil nil. Its no good not losing goals but also not winning games. Its about scoring enough and conceding as little is required to continually get us 3 points. That's all that really matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,598 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: Well... still no won a trophy 😂😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 No trophy but the progress is absolutely clear as day. Anyone denying it is an idiot frankly. We are much better and scored more goals than them but it's clear to me the team is improving and moving in the right direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakbear 3,580 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 The progress has been fantastic but also I think Gerrard has learned so much in his first season. Scottish football is a different animal and Gerrard has the mark of it now. Don’t expect anymore Ejaria or Sadiq type signings. He knows what is needed here now and that will help next season. We need Barasic, Davis, Defoe and Kamara to have a solid pre-season with us. Integrate Jones, Hastie and Stewart, see if they can find a spine for Grezda (or fuck him off) and a couple of good front men and the future is orange Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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