Scottish Protestants Against Discrimination protest Sat 27 Apr 10am

[ger4life_1872 29,445]

5 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Literally any other street to avoid going past that chapel.

Name them ? Or do you not actually understand the situation/ problem but just needed to comment ? 

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2 hours ago, Gman36 said:

How many times.... If you think this is mostly about a belief in God you're woefully mistaken. 

As many as you like. 

Do you believe in god?

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1 hour ago, The Dude said:

Ok, why do you need to parade past empty chapels?

because it’s the direct route from the starting point to the finishing point and a route that has been walked hundreds of times before and for decades 

what is the issue of walking on a road which has been walked on for decades?

what is the issue of walking by an empty chapel?

Do you not agree that the prohibition of people walking by an empty chapel is now a no go zone for these people ?

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1 hour ago, ger4life_1872 said:

Name them ? Or do you not actually understand the situation/ problem but just needed to comment ? 

You want me to literally name every other street in Glasgow that you could walk down rather than that particular one?

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8 minutes ago, Bad Robot said:

because it’s the direct route from the starting point to the finishing point and a route that has been walked hundreds of times before and for decades 

what is the issue of walking on a road which has been walked on for decades?

what is the issue of walking by an empty chapel?

Do you not agree that the prohibition of people walking by an empty chapel is now a no go zone for these people ?

The issue is that a previous parade has caused an incident where a priest was 'attacked' in a religiously agravated assault. Were it the other way around and a pro-Republican march had attacked an Orange hall or, worse, a person coming/going from said hall then we'd all expect any further events that could cause similar to happen to be moved.

 

No, the prohibition of people walking past a religious building isn't creating a 'no-go zone' for them. Just like when Falkirk Council banned a Republican walk going past the Orange hall in Denny it wasn't creating a no-go zone for them.

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4 minutes ago, The Dude said:

You want me to literally name every other street in Glasgow that you could walk down rather than that particular one?

Yes it's not a big list , infact I covered most alternatives for you , really looks like you don't understand but just felt like you needed to comment 

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2 minutes ago, ger4life_1872 said:

Yes it's not a big list , infact I covered most alternatives for you , really looks like you don't understand but just felt like you needed to comment 

It will be a pretty lengthy list.

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1 minute ago, The Dude said:

It will be a pretty lengthy list.

Not really , list 1 alternative even ? 

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21 minutes ago, Bad Robot said:

because it’s the direct route from the starting point to the finishing point and a route that has been walked hundreds of times before and for decades 

what is the issue of walking on a road which has been walked on for decades?

what is the issue of walking by an empty chapel?

Do you not agree that the prohibition of people walking by an empty chapel is now a no go zone for these people ?

He doesn't know where parades start or end , it's why hes struggling so bad 

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39 minutes ago, The Dude said:

The issue is that a previous parade has caused an incident where a priest was 'attacked' in a religiously agravated assault. Were it the other way around and a pro-Republican march had attacked an Orange hall or, worse, a person coming/going from said hall then we'd all expect any further events that could cause similar to happen to be moved.

 

No, the prohibition of people walking past a religious building isn't creating a 'no-go zone' for them. Just like when Falkirk Council banned a Republican walk going past the Orange hall in Denny it wasn't creating a no-go zone for them.

The procession caused or attacked no one, a hanger on did. And it wasnt the same organisation parading as had its recent request denied.

Would you really expect and want that outcome in the scenario regards the Orange Halls? 😂 Doubt it, you'd be arguing about their right to protest, police should have sorted it, there being no place in society for Orange Halls anyways 😁.

What were the circumstances of the Denny procession, and links to that procession condition being applied?

You're aware I take it that the objections to the abod parade came from Republicans including Call It Out, not necessarily parishioners. Only one of whom apparently entered the chapel at the time over 70 stated they'd be traumatised by the procession. Is that what we really want that parades can be manipulated by those who hate their beliefs not those actually affected. Dangerous route to go down, though I'm basing that on there being parity in the parades commission which we all know is lacking.

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26 minutes ago, ger4life_1872 said:

He doesn't know where parades start or end , it's why hes struggling so bad 

He's trolling PUL matters as usual. It's the only thread he's commented on today. Its that simple. 👍

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18 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

The procession caused or attacked no one, a hanger on did. And it wasnt the same organisation parading as had its recent request denied.

Would you really expect and want that outcome in the scenario regards the Orange Halls? 😂 Doubt it, you'd be arguing about their right to protest, police should have sorted it, there being no place in society anyways 😁.

What were the circumstances of the Denny procession, and links to that procession condition being applied?

You're aware I take it that the objections to the abod parade came from Republicans including Call It Out, not necessarily parishioners. Only one of whom apparently entered the chapel at the time over 70 stated they'd be traumatised by the procession. Is that what we really want that parades can be manipulated by those who hate their beliefs not those actually affected. Dangerous route to go down, though I'm basing that on there being parity in the parades commission which we all know is lacking.

It may well have been a hanger on bug we both know that the main event carries the can when the hangers on act like dicks. 

I would expect such an outcome if it is the other way around. 

Denny parade was Caird na Eorhanshds (fucked if I know how to spell it) and ghey changed from the route theyd used previously which was on the main road to instead go up a fairly small residential street and past the orange. Change was blocked as it was viewed as being deliberately inflammatory given objections raised to a previous parade they held. 

Edit: The call it out type stuff happened with the marches in Denny with objections coming from all across Scotland

 

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56 minutes ago, The Dude said:

The issue is that a previous parade has caused an incident where a priest was 'attacked' in a religiously agravated assault. Were it the other way around and a pro-Republican march had attacked an Orange hall or, worse, a person coming/going from said hall then we'd all expect any further events that could cause similar to happen to be moved.

 

No, the prohibition of people walking past a religious building isn't creating a 'no-go zone' for them. Just like when Falkirk Council banned a Republican walk going past the Orange hall in Denny it wasn't creating a no-go zone for them.

The boy who done it was sentenced through the courts wasn’t a member of any organisation so that should be the end of the matter. The Catholic Church and republicans know exactly what there upto with this. Why should so many who have peacefully walked that route hundreds of times have to be re routed because of one idiot?

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5 minutes ago, MayboleLoyal_atb said:

The boy who done it was sentenced through the courts wasn’t a member of any organisation so that should be the end of the matter. The Catholic Church and republicans know exactly what there upto with this. Why should so many who have peacefully walked that route hundreds of times have to be re routed because of one idiot?

Priest should’ve been charged with incitement to riot. 

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22 minutes ago, The Dude said:

It may well have been a hanger on bug we both know that the main event carries the can when the hangers on act like dicks. 

I would expect such an outcome if it is the other way around. 

Denny parade was Caird na Eorhanshds (fucked if I know how to spell it) and ghey changed from the route theyd used previously which was on the main road to instead go up a fairly small residential street and past the orange. Change was blocked as it was viewed as being deliberately inflammatory given objections raised to a previous parade they held. 

Edit: The call it out type stuff happened with the marches in Denny with objections coming from all across Scotland

 

So football teams shouldn't play if a fan gets arrested?. No musicians perform at say Transmit if theres arrests? Should pubs in Glasgow city centre be closed if theres trouble in them or after folk have moved on and get jailed for getting drunk in the pub earlier? What if a pro union/ independence/LGBT walk has a follower arrested, should there be conditions opposed affecting the well behaved for years afterwards?

😂aye ok

When was this, any links to it as you've said (which appears entirely the opposite of the abod one which wished to follow traditional route not deviate in order to inflame tension). Call It Out, who oppose anti Irish racism,  opposed the requested Republican route? Links to this I'd love to see.

 

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Could solve this problem if someone pulls down the chapel. 

[Bad Robot 21,139]

32 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Could solve this problem if someone pulls down the chapel. 

 It seems like it’s not being used anyway 

[ger4life_1872 29,445]

44 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Could solve this problem if someone pulls down the chapel. 

It's cool mate , @The Dude has a lengthy list of alternate routes that will solve it , hes gonna post 1 of them any minute now 

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In relation to the OP - what do Scottish Protestants feel discriminated about? Or are you marching for equality for other minorities in our society?

in relation to the route...why can't the police just police it better rather than having to change route @The Dude? It's the police's job to police. Not whoever is marching i'm afraid. If there's an issue with a particular group marching creating community issues then there are several protections available in law banning the march. 

 

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2 hours ago, The Dude said:

The issue is that a previous parade has caused an incident where a priest was 'attacked' in a religiously agravated assault. Were it the other way around and a pro-Republican march had attacked an Orange hall or, worse, a person coming/going from said hall then we'd all expect any further events that could cause similar to happen to be moved.

 

No, the prohibition of people walking past a religious building isn't creating a 'no-go zone' for them. Just like when Falkirk Council banned a Republican walk going past the Orange hall in Denny it wasn't creating a no-go zone for them.

That sums it up in a nutshell. Too many expect everything our way and don't look at the bigger picture when, as you pointed out if it were other way around we would expect the exact same outcome. 

 

Unfortunately l the coming from an ex bands an, but brother and Sir Knight our whole way of life is finished, and or at the very least on its last legs. The first I've seen people mention about not sitting on your arses and doing something about it however what can we be expected to do when the highest members are happy to roll over whenever the tarriers decide so??? 

 

It's not guys like me who are disgusted in the hierarchy that are the problem it's the ones that are I have to charge that have done the damage to the extent where out parades are as good as gone

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5 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

In relation to the OP - what do Scottish Protestants feel discriminated about? Or are you marching for equality for other minorities in our society?

in relation to the route...why can't the police just police it better rather than having to change route @The Dude? It's the police's job to police. Not whoever is marching i'm afraid. If there's an issue with a particular group marching creating community issues then there are several protections available in law banning the march. 

 

The police had no objections to the parade 

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1 hour ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Priest should’ve been charged with incitement to riot. 

The priest should have been jailed for harbouring paedo's. Oh wait a minute...!

He looked a right shifty bastard as they all do, standing there in his defiance and the hatred ripping out of him.

IMO, it was all staged managed and to good effect as some numpty took the bait.

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1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

So football teams shouldn't play if a fan gets arrested?. No musicians perform at say Transmit if theres arrests? Should pubs in Glasgow city centre be closed if theres trouble in them or after folk have moved on and get jailed for getting drunk in the pub earlier? What if a pro union/ independence/LGBT walk has a follower arrested, should there be conditions opposed affecting the well behaved for years afterwards? 

😂aye ok

When was this, any links to it as you've said (which appears entirely the opposite of the abod one which wished to follow traditional route not deviate in order to inflame tension). Call It Out, who oppose anti Irish racism,  opposed the requested Republican route? Links to this I'd love to see.

 

No. I've not said anything remotely close to that either.

Pubs DO get closed when there is trouble in them.

We're not talking about "for years afterwards" though. A year.

Here you go: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-12986229

"The council also said the march could only go ahead if the organisation agreed to change its original route and disperse at a park" - Was that Falkirk council discriminating against the Irish and creating no go zones for them?

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14 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

In relation to the OP - what do Scottish Protestants feel discriminated about? Or are you marching for equality for other minorities in our society?

in relation to the route...why can't the police just police it better rather than having to change route @The Dude? It's the police's job to police. Not whoever is marching i'm afraid. If there's an issue with a particular group marching creating community issues then there are several protections available in law banning the march. 

 

All parade criteria were met, no objections made. Then the likes of anti Irish Racism organisation Call It Out got involved and made it a political agenda with the council. 

Why should lawful organisations not be permitted to parade down traditional routes when the police dont object? Why was it prevented when the other organisations then stated they would counter it and used inflammatory language - should the party in the right be refused due to the one looking to create bother?

Regardless of the marchers background, is  the precedent being rightfully set that if you suggest your group will come along and cause bother to counter something then it then gets banned?