Rangers statement r.e. Flanagan Citation

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

5 minutes ago, Bakbear said:

Yeah. Which is why I say abolish the re-Reffing and instead get professional full time referees preferably with VAR. 

I agree on that, but watch the Scum fight that idea to the death. 

We also have the problem of just who is sitting in front of the VAR system, I would like to see it covered by people from outside of Scotland. 

[Hadron Collider 30,868]

12 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

I agree on that, but watch the Scum fight that idea to the death. 

We also have the problem of just who is sitting in front of the VAR system, I would like to see it covered by people from outside of Scotland. 

I’m outside Scotland mate. I’d be willing to sit and judge. 

[stevemac 5,001]

The compliance officer needs to be a complete neutral. Dare I say an ex pro referee from outside of the SPL, a Mark Clattenburg or someone of similar ilk who is known for being a consummate professional and has absolutely no bias. 

[Leeds_Bear 8,110]

1 minute ago, stevemac said:

The compliance officer needs to be a complete neutral. Dare I say an ex pro referee from outside of the SPL, a Mark Clattenburg or someone of similar ilk who is known for being a consummate professional and has absolutely no bias. 

Jeff Winter would be a good choice.

[RangersMedia 35,961]

My issue here is the willingness to lie on the notice of complaint in order to cite Flannigan.

Flannigan should have been sent off, no question, but the referee or assistant has seen it and booked him. There is nothing else they could possibly have seen than Flannigan making contact with Brown, an action which was felt by the referee to be a booking. Incorrect decision, but they happen.

The notice of complaint explicitly states the officials didn't see it. They can not issue a notice of complaint to upgrade a yellow card unless the officials didn't see it.

It is a mechanism designed to catch, I dunno, a foul with a bit of afters, but the referee only books the player for the foul having missed the little kick out after. That could not possibly happen in this instance as there was only 1 instance of contact.

So we are in a situation where either:

- a referee has booked a player without knowing exactly why.

- the SFA are lying about the official not seeing it, in order to give a mechanism to punish Flannigan. 

- The referee is lying about not seeing it to cover a bad decision (refer to point 1 - which then questions why he booked him and calls integrity into question)

I don't really have a problem with Flannigan getting cited as such, but the process as to how this has came about is concerning and has a bit of a stench.

I am not the biggest fan of the wording of our statements - indeed I cringe at them more often than not - however wording aside, the club is right to call this one into question. This reeks of changing a process to suit.

The whole compliance officer and disciplinary process has neither consistency or transparency and is it any wonder fans of all clubs end up thinking wild conspiracy theories given the seemingly chaotic nature of the process at times?

Claire Whyte has been a disaster of an appointment. What is her qualification? Who is she? Why can a former referee not front this, somebody with experience and able to provide context based on real experience to it?

 

[scottyscott1963 18,301]

29 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Nobody jumped mate. Flannigan caught him a good one and should have been sent off.  No point in saying otherwise  

The issue is retrospective action yet again and simunovic’s assault on Defoe to show fair refereeing 

 

A fuckin dull one.hope the bastard is having flashbacks in to his middle ages. 

17 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

I agree on that, but watch the Scum fight that idea to the death. 

We also have the problem of just who is sitting in front of the VAR system, I would like to see it covered by people from outside of Scotland. 

Preferably Outer Mongolia,and they've never seen ra hoops.

[stevemac 5,001]

6 minutes ago, Leeds_Bear said:

Jeff Winter would be a good choice.

I didn't realise he was a Rangers fan tbh. But nah, I genuinely wish it would be someone who couldn't give a shit about any Scottish clubs, us or them. And preferably a notable figure in refereeing who won't sit back and be told what decisions he should take. 

[backup 4,724]

35 minutes ago, Bakbear said:

Yeah. Which is why I say abolish the re-Reffing and instead get professional full time referees preferably with VAR. 

Have you seen the English referees in action... or even VAR, both a waste of money, football is about controversy, take that away and kill the essence of competition.

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

1 minute ago, backup said:

Have you seen the English referees in action... or even VAR, both a waste of money, football is about controversy, take that away and kill the essence of competition.

Football is about putting the ball in the net more than the opposition. 

Controversy has got nothing to do with it. 

[backup 4,724]

I love how uncontroversial it is when a perfectly good goal is chopped off.

[Malvern 11,329]

2 minutes ago, backup said:

I love how uncontroversial it is when a perfectly good goal is chopped off.

You know full well what CB was saying, no need to be obtuse now is there.

[backup 4,724]

1 minute ago, Malvern said:

You know full well what CB was saying, no need to be obtuse now is there.

Strictly Presbyterian for generations my good chap, since the Reformation and before God left Govan.

[the cry was no 3,034]

Genuine question on this...

Has anyone seen any footage that shows that JF definitely caught him in the face? I haven't which doesn't mean to say it doesn't exist. This is important as the ref stated to the mutant that he didn't show a red because he didn't think he caught him on the face (or head) which is deemed a straight red. Forget the fact that the mutant went down holding his face, he did that when Morelos hit him in the chest too.  They showed about 6 angles on Sportscene but none that I saw were crystal clear that he hit his face. 

Funnily enough they only have 2 angles of the one on Defoe but you can clearly see that his elbow hits his face/head. Same when he wasn't cited when he felled the Hibs player in Feb with a horrendous blow to the head.

Remember this is the same process that downgraded the Kilmarnock keeper's red card when the video from the Main Stand was crystal clear showing him deliberately elbow Kamara in the face.

Curious or corrupt - you choose.

[ritchieshearercaldow 22,137]

17 minutes ago, the cry was no said:

Genuine question on this...

Has anyone seen any footage that shows that JF definitely caught him in the face? I haven't which doesn't mean to say it doesn't exist. This is important as the ref stated to the mutant that he didn't show a red because he didn't think he caught him on the face (or head) which is deemed a straight red. Forget the fact that the mutant went down holding his face, he did that when Morelos hit him in the chest too.  They showed about 6 angles on Sportscene but none that I saw were crystal clear that he hit his face. 

Funnily enough they only have 2 angles of the one on Defoe but you can clearly see that his elbow hits his face/head. Same when he wasn't cited when he felled the Hibs player in Feb with a horrendous blow to the head.

Remember this is the same process that downgraded the Kilmarnock keeper's red card when the video from the Main Stand was crystal clear showing him deliberately elbow Kamara in the face.

Curious or corrupt - you choose.

As many others have said, Lego wouldn’t have been up so quick if he had been caught in the face, the force of him running into Flanagan would have left a mark, Defoe was different in that they were both running in the same direction so no real force although he was intentionally elbowed.

[backup 4,724]

48 minutes ago, the cry was no said:

Has anyone seen any footage that shows that JF definitely caught him in the face?

Simple answer no. 

[Gman36 3,455]

2 hours ago, stevemac said:

The compliance officer needs to be a complete neutral. Dare I say an ex pro referee from outside of the SPL, a Mark Clattenburg or someone of similar ilk who is known for being a consummate professional and has absolutely no bias. 

There's an article somewhere from the original EPL compliance officer. It was originally one guy and he was utterly swamped with work, accusations of bias etc. Now they have a compliance team, can't remember the number 15-20 people. 

One individual doing this job is clearly not working. 

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,601]

This is why I should be CO....

[the cry was no 3,034]

15 minutes ago, backup said:

Simple answer no. 

If such a piece of footage existed I am certain it would be getting played in slo-mo til the tape wore out to prove he hit his face.

Rangers should lawyer up and ask to see the video that clearly shows contact with the head/face. If none exists then the case should be dismissed through lack of evidence. Then produce the video of the hit on Defoe, explain that it clearly shows deliberate and premeditated contact to the head and demand a clear explanation of why this was not punished. 

The days of doing nothing when faced with blatant cheating via the CO need to end now. We are good enough to beat them on the pitch now but they have a massive advantage off the pitch which we must fight to eliminate as vigorously as we fought to overcome them on the pitch. This is worth points to them and they know it.

A classic example of this is the opening 3 games of last season (17/18)

week 1 both win

week 2 celtic beat Thistle 1-0 with Thistle denied a stone wall pen in injury time for a draw. Rangers 0-0 with Hearts with perfectly good goal chopped off for offside (morelos from Wallace assist)

week3 we lose 2-3 to Hibs in the worst display of refereeing witnessed in a long time. Should have been 1 up v 10 men (Stokes on Tav) but ended up playing most of the game with 10 for a ridiculous red on Jack later rescinded.

Result tims on 9 us on 4 - 5 behind when it could/should have been us on 9 then on 7 ................ a 7 point swing in 3 games and we are playing catch up with confidence hammered

 

[rabc10000 5,061]

11 minutes ago, Gman36 said:

There's an article somewhere from the original EPL compliance officer. It was originally one guy and he was utterly swamped with work, accusations of bias etc. Now they have a compliance team, can't remember the number 15-20 people. 

One individual doing this job is clearly not working. 

Really in any job that involves important decisions that could or can affect final outcomes that could cost compa ies millions it should be a minimum 5 man squad I think. Why should 1 person be allowed to hold so much power and use it to their own personal advantage? 

[Gman36 3,455]

1 minute ago, rabc10000 said:

Really in any job that involves important decisions that could or can affect final outcomes that could cost compa ies millions it should be a minimum 5 man squad I think. Why should 1 person be allowed to hold so much power and use it to their own personal advantage? 

Yeah it's a good point that the Scottish game can't afford a team of 20. But as you say why not 5 people? 

Utterly baffling its one celtic supporting person with absolutely no prior relevant experience. 

[rabc10000 5,061]

2 hours ago, backup said:

Have you seen the English referees in action... or even VAR, both a waste of money, football is about controversy, take that away and kill the essence of competition.

Duting the man City game on Sunday I recall them talking about var being introduced next season and the commentators mentioned that, what I assume is their equivalent to out compliance officer stated that cases referred shown that the referee was correct in 98.2%. So while I think football should embrace var and any technology available the fact is if we had it Flanagan would have been shown a red card while Simunovic would still have no repurcussions either during the game or afterwards

[rabc10000 5,061]

1 minute ago, Gman36 said:

Yeah it's a good point that the Scottish game can't afford a team of 20. But as you say why not 5 people? 

Utterly baffling its one celtic supporting person with absolutely no prior relevant experience. 

It would only be a part time job tbh with a few hours on a Sunday evening once all games are finished and even then flash points etc are pretty minimal. I'm sure the sfa could afford to hire a few ex pro refs or similar to give their own verdict?

[backup 4,724]

8 minutes ago, rabc10000 said:

Duting the man City game on Sunday I recall them talking about var being introduced next season and the commentators mentioned that, what I assume is their equivalent to out compliance officer stated that cases referred shown that the referee was correct in 98.2%. So while I think football should embrace var and any technology available the fact is if we had it Flanagan would have been shown a red card while Simunovic would still have no repurcussions either during the game or afterwards

Says it all, a yellow when the world could see it was clear red !

 

[backup 4,724]

7 minutes ago, rabc10000 said:

to give their own verdict

They can't give their own verdict, their conclusion must be within the laws of the game, which imho means the sumnovic decision needs to be challenged under natural justice.

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

2 hours ago, backup said:

I love how uncontroversial it is when a perfectly good goal is chopped off.

Wouldn’t be with goal line technology so no controversy. 

Wouldnt be with VAR on offside decisions. 

Correct decisions or do you prefer wrong decisions and getting beat