BlueSuedeSambas 53,775 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I think he lacks the pace and directness needed to play in our system tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 64,530 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: The boy is maturing all the time. He certainly set the heather on fire with his loan club and will have done him no end of good. We can build on that and give him the opportunity. With the EL qualifiers and if we make it to the group stage, then we will need every player available to rotate that squad or we will fuck up in the league with players dying on their feet and mentally with the number of games we need to play. You're an absolute fucking mongo no offence Dan Deacon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordersbear 1,105 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: The boy is maturing all the time. He certainly set the heather on fire with his loan club and will have done him no end of good. We can build on that and give him the opportunity. With the EL qualifiers and if we make it to the group stage, then we will need every player available to rotate that squad or we will fuck up in the league with players dying on their feet and mentally with the number of games we need to play. What gear are you on?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordersbear 1,105 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: Murphy, Docherty, it's all the fucking same to me. I've done it previously as well! It's them fucking pills and the dodgey names! Fucking away with it. My obsession with taigs has clearly got the better of me. ? Is that because you're taig? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkytfp1 18,594 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Upgrade on Candeias. Worried at his age with his latest injury he has lost a bit more pace (not that he had much). Think a narrow 3 with Alfie and him and Arfield behind would be ok but not our formation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat 4,511 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I'm actually excited at the prospect of JM playing with better players like Kamara and Davis this season. Think he can be a huge player for us as we chase 55. Just hope he comes back fully fit and raring to go after a good pre season. SonOfLuther and Bobby Hume 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwallowsHisOwnSpunk 7,798 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 He’s getting better and better the longer he is out. Hes a decent player nothing more, yes he can contribute next season but he shouldn’t be a starter he was completely ineffective against decent sides he gained most of his goals and assists against the diddy teams. If you were to ask this board at the end of last season if he should be a first choice Wide man you would have been laughed at people wanted rid of him. Hes a better squad option than the likes of Candeias and Grezda but shouldn’t be a starter if we want to win trophies. Begby 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangersross 6,530 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I’m excited to have him back. Good player who’ll offer a creative outlet off the bench. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Wasn’t overly impressed before his injury tbh. Would give him next season and see how he goes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del 667 Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Courtyard Bear said: Played out of position, he is not a wide player. Would give him a chance to see what he can do in a narrow front 3. He is and always has been a wide player...mostly played as a left attacking midfielder or a left forward, his career appearances since 2012 are as follows: Season 2012-2013 (Motherwell and Sheffield Utd) In 29 games for Motherwell - 24(LW), 4(CF), 1(RW) In 21 games for Sheffield Utd - 13(LM/LW), 6(CF), 2(RW) Season 2013-2014 (Sheffield Utd) In 42 games for Sheffield Utd - 33(LM/LW), 7(CF), 2(RW) Season 2014-2015 (Sheffield Utd) In 58 games for Sheffield Utd - 46(LM/LW), 7(CF), 5(RW) Season 2015-2016 (Brighton) In 39 games for Brighton - 32(LM/LW), 4(RW), 3(CF) Season 2016-2017 (Brighton) In 40 games for Brighton - 25(LM/LW), 8(RW), 7(CF) Season 2017-2018 (Brighton and Rangers) In 7 games for Brighton - 3(LW), 3(CF),1(RW) In 19 games for Rangers - 17(LW), 2(RW) The position he played for us is where he has played pretty much his whole career! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabc10000 5,061 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said: On paper a return of 5 goals, 9 assists in 22 games is a good return but it's a bit skewed when you look deeper at it. 2 assists were in that crazy end of season game at Hibs 3 assists and a goal against Hamilton in one game 3 goals and 4 assists in games against Ayr, Dundee and St Mirren. Practically productive in 7 games and mainly against weaker sides. He's a decent squad player but he's not good enough to be first choice IMO. That being said I think he would provide a better return than Kent or Candeias. Also what u need to remember was he was playing in a side that you could argue was one of our worst in the world top flight for many a year coupled with all the shit that was going about with the manager at the time so when you compare that to Ryan Kent who has been playing in a pretty decent team it actually makes good reading. The last 3 old firm games aside what has Kent really contributed all season? A few goals and a few assists outwith them. So yeah I think Murphy could be a surprise next season but I also think Jones could surprise a few as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del 667 Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 55 minutes ago, SwallowsHisOwnSpunk said: He’s getting better and better the longer he is out. Hes a decent player nothing more, yes he can contribute next season but he shouldn’t be a starter he was completely ineffective against decent sides he gained most of his goals and assists against the diddy teams. If you were to ask this board at the end of last season if he should be a first choice Wide man you would have been laughed at people wanted rid of him. Hes a better squad option than the likes of Candeias and Grezda but shouldn’t be a starter if we want to win trophies. Nonsense! But you are right about the assists being against "diddy teams", who needs them, Its not as if we dropped points against the like of Livingston, Dundee, Hibs, St Johnstone etc. or its not likely that dropping points against those "diddy teams" is going to cost us league titles... As for people wanting him to be sold, people wanted rid of the entire team but the lack of a proper manager cant be overlooked! Just look at the difference in Morelos, he was one of the players most complained about and arguably the most valuable/best player in the team. Bobby Hume 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 64,530 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said: Not like you to hold back mate. Just giving him a wee compliment Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del 667 Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Rangers_no1 said: On paper a return of 5 goals, 9 assists in 22 games is a good return but it's a bit skewed when you look deeper at it. 2 assists were in that crazy end of season game at Hibs 3 assists and a goal against Hamilton in one game 3 goals and 4 assists in games against Ayr, Dundee and St Mirren. Practically productive in 7 games and mainly against weaker sides. He's a decent squad player but he's not good enough to be first choice IMO. That being said I think he would provide a better return than Kent or Candeias. You can do that with most players though... Ryan Kent - 42 games - 6 goals - 9 assits Goals - Dundee (W4-0), Hearts (W3-1), Hamilton (W4-1), Livingston (W3-0), St Mirren (W4-0), celtic (L2-1) Assits - Maribor, Kilmarnock, celtic, Aberdeen 2 (same match), Hamilton 2(Same Match), Kilmarnock, Aberdeen Regardless of what teams they are against, they dont count double against top 6 teams...if anything its the points dropped against the so called lesser teams that have cost us this season! rabc10000 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabc10000 5,061 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Del said: You can do that with most players though... Ryan Kent - 42 games - 6 goals - 9 assits Goals - Dundee (W4-0), Hearts (W3-1), Hamilton (W4-1), Livingston (W3-0), St Mirren (W4-0), celtic (L2-1) Assits - Maribor, Kilmarnock, celtic, Aberdeen 2 (same match), Hamilton 2(Same Match), Kilmarnock, Aberdeen Regardless of what teams they are against, they dont count double against top 6 teams...if anything its the points dropped against the so called lesser teams that have cost us this season! Also factor in the teams from last season to this season and it makes Murphy stats look even better. As much as I like Kent as a player and would love him to stay i genuinely think most of us are going way ott about him Said it before but this time next year u watch Jones and Stewart get pelters if they have similar stats Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, Del said: He is and always has been a wide player...mostly played as a left attacking midfielder or a left forward, his career appearances since 2012 are as follows: Season 2012-2013 (Motherwell and Sheffield Utd) In 29 games for Motherwell - 24(LW), 4(CF), 1(RW) In 21 games for Sheffield Utd - 13(LM/LW), 6(CF), 2(RW) Season 2013-2014 (Sheffield Utd) In 42 games for Sheffield Utd - 33(LM/LW), 7(CF), 2(RW) Season 2014-2015 (Sheffield Utd) In 58 games for Sheffield Utd - 46(LM/LW), 7(CF), 5(RW) Season 2015-2016 (Brighton) In 39 games for Brighton - 32(LM/LW), 4(RW), 3(CF) Season 2016-2017 (Brighton) In 40 games for Brighton - 25(LM/LW), 8(RW), 7(CF) Season 2017-2018 (Brighton and Rangers) In 7 games for Brighton - 3(LW), 3(CF),1(RW) In 19 games for Rangers - 17(LW), 2(RW) The position he played for us is where he has played pretty much his whole career! I don’t care what stats you put up. He is not a winger and that’s where we played him. Strangely enough he looked at his best when he came inside closer to the main striker. He’s wasted being played wide Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueteeth 2,185 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Rfc52 said: I think hed been decent before his injury. Agreed, was hoping he would get some game time at the end of the season but wasn’t to be. Injuries & suspensions don’t help at all with consistency Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 13,035 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Really looking forward to seeing how he has recovered from his injury ..... I have always liked him as a player (even when he was in opposition to us) .... I think he is talented and has a good football brain .... along with a certain amount of flair ..... all which are important when you consider he is not the fastest .... not to mention his goal threat ..... all considered he will be an asset going into the new season along side better players than he previously played with. Oh! .... and he's also a good Bluenose as well .... It really does help .... I hope he has a good pre season ... and gives the manager a headache when it comes to choosing the team. SonOfLuther 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 10,872 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 He's far too slow played out wide. Beats his man with ease but lost count of the number of times he did that then get caught. Physique is also shocking for a modern professional footballer. But, he can score and set up players well and rarely gives the ball away so he'll definitely be an asset assuming this injury hasn't taken anything away from him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabc10000 5,061 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 44 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: I don’t care what stats you put up. He is not a winger and that’s where we played him. Strangely enough he looked at his best when he came inside closer to the main striker. He’s wasted being played wide Almost like an SS, somewhere between and out and out winger and a cf but not a free role to an extent. Similar to the way arfield has been deployed recently Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd 10,756 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Next season He is gonna tear it up in the role Kent has been playing recently. He’s a very good player and with a pre season and run of games will prove people wrong Del 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 He’s just had a major injury. Hopefully he can come back from that because he was a good player for us. He had more of an end product than Kent. Del 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 4,654 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I usually hate the whole if this had happened shit, but if Murphy had been available all season I think he'd have been great in some of the games we struggled in, even if that was just coming on off the bench. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Del said: You can do that with most players though... Ryan Kent - 42 games - 6 goals - 9 assits Goals - Dundee (W4-0), Hearts (W3-1), Hamilton (W4-1), Livingston (W3-0), St Mirren (W4-0), celtic (L2-1) Assits - Maribor, Kilmarnock, celtic, Aberdeen 2 (same match), Hamilton 2(Same Match), Kilmarnock, Aberdeen Regardless of what teams they are against, they dont count double against top 6 teams...if anything its the points dropped against the so called lesser teams that have cost us this season! If we had taken full points from Kilmarnock instead of a pathetic 2 out of 10 we would have won the league. DrLaudrup 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,832 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 After an injusy like that, it's tough to say what kind of player we are getting. Pre injury, he was a good player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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