SIRB_72 3,985 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 The "journalist" asking the manager about his schooling for me just shows the medias real interest in this. Okay UEFA have there rules but the media showing again that they don't actually care about sectarianism, or what very little of it really exists in 2019, and they just use it as a vehicle to keep their dying paper industry alive. MacBoyd, Courtyard Bear, SteveEarle and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger_onimo 20,488 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, rabc10000 said: If he had said we have a reputation for me that would have shown a solidarity between the management and the club, in effect standing with the fans without the repercussion but I know what you mean to an extent. If he said “we” he’d be taking credit for the reputation of the supporters. He’s not a Rangers supporter, never has been. The supporters are they, the club is we. rabc10000 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabc10000 5,061 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Ger_onimo said: If he said “we” he’d be taking credit for the reputation of the supporters. He’s not a Rangers supporter, never has been. The supporters are they, the club is we. Yeah I get what you and a few others are saying, however it's a stark contrast to sourness and the way he spoke about us but then we all know why bluedart1952 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Rolle 514 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 hours ago, MurrayWilson said: I reckon the club should be seeking clarification on EXACTLY what were the offending phrases/words. There can be no grey areas, after all there are nationalist and political songs sung at grounds all over Europe. Spain, Greece, turkey the Balkans etc etc every week. Find out exactly what we are getting done for otherwise they've got room to make up any offence to fit whatever they like. It’s a fair comment/question, however you will not get clarification. Creation of a ‘black list’ is not helpful because it can be circumnavigated easily. We should all know what songs would not be tolerated and we just need to comply or risk not supporting our club in Europe. beararse and JCDBigBear 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reformation Bear 6,453 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Gerrard's said what he's said. He's sought to echo what King said. Other than repeating what they have said or finding different words to say the same thing there is nothing more Gerrard or King or any of the Directors or execs at Ibrox can do. The media will have yet more field days on this. Scottish clubs too. All words and opinions and more words - all critical in one way or another of the Support. None of alters the fact that the Support will say / sing / do whatever it decides to do as a collective support firstly at the StMirren game and then at the Legia game next week. Will it be largely silence as in no singing? Will it be taunts at the Board for their willingness to appease? Will it be singing whatever is normally sung and to fuck with the consequences? Who knows. It will be what it will be and there is fuck all a Rangers chairman or his board of directors or his senior execs or the manager can do about it. They are not in direct control of what happens. They can only plead and hope. That is the extent of their power for these games. Whether the Support collectively and as individual Supporters take heed and respond in the way that King and the Manager want is something we will only see the result of after each game. It will be interesting to see what posts are being generated next Friday and whether this punishment and its consequences are still the dominating subject for Rangers. JCDBigBear and bornabear 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2019 4 hours ago, SIRB_72 said: The "journalist" asking the manager about his schooling for me just shows the medias real interest in this. Okay UEFA have there rules but the media showing again that they don't actually care about sectarianism, or what very little of it really exists in 2019, and they just use it as a vehicle to keep their dying paper industry alive. There is no sectarianism in everyday Scotland it’s made up pish to keep a few bigots in the money. If anyone thinks what gets sung at 90 mins of football has a bearing on the wider country they are simply keeping the myth going. As for the schooling question, somebody should’ve asked that twat if he ever attended school. GA1972, BookWorm, kelvd1873 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,809 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 11 hours ago, sassaaaa said: Its they now instead of us........... Under such circumstances, it should always be "they" and not "us" or "our". Why would anyone expect anything different from our manager? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueray 903 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 4 hours ago, James Rolle said: It’s a fair comment/question, however you will not get clarification. Creation of a ‘black list’ is not helpful because it can be circumnavigated easily. We should all know what songs would not be tolerated and we just need to comply or risk not supporting our club in Europe. Of course there should be exact clarification. If stadiums are threatened with closure its incumbent upon Uefa to inform clubs which words are deemed sectarian. Singing against the Ira a hated terrorist group or the Snp equally a hated political separatist group couldn't possibly be deemed sectarian so Uefa would have to clearly define the words they have identified as sectarian otherwise it could very easily end up as pure semantics in a court of law to decide upon. Uefa aren't a law unto themselves and have to act within the grounds of wider law provisions. kelvd1873 and SteveEarle 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,809 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 10 hours ago, ForeverAndEver said: Hi, Steven, you clearly have no issue with fans singing naughty songs so please stay quite, thank you. What do you expect our manager to say? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,362 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, JCDBigBear said: What do you expect our manager to say? It wasn’t serious Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,809 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Ger_onimo said: If he said “we” he’d be taking credit for the reputation of the supporters. He’s not a Rangers supporter, never has been. The supporters are they, the club is we. It's "we" when things are acceptable and "they" when describing those who bring our Club into disrepute. That is standard. However, I'm pretty sure you were already aware of that. Are you now anti-Gerrard because of his stance? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Courtyard Bear said: There is no sectarianism in everyday Scotland it’s made up pish to keep a few bigots in the money. If anyone thinks what gets sung at 90 mins of football has a bearing on the wider country they are simply keeping the myth going. As for the schooling question, somebody should’ve asked that twat if he ever attended school. Just Like racism in America a cottage industry generating money for race-baiters in the USA and votes for politicians in Scotland. 0.004% of crime in Scotland is sectarian. These cunts wanted our club dead and thru goodness knows what powers worked with HMRC to facilitate the effort. When that failed they colluded to strip our titles and then Keep us out of Europe. This has a lot more to do with the hatred for Rangers than about a single word. The people pushing UEFA thru FARE are the exact same individuals and the ones behind the move to ban Orange Parades. They do not appreciate the current sexual abuse attention and re prepared to resort to any tactics to dehumanize big bad Rangers. BILLYBOY50 and Courtyard Bear 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Blueray said: Singing against the Ira a hated terrorist group or the Snp equally a hated political separatist group couldn't possibly be deemed sectarian so Uefa would have to clearly define the words they have identified as sectarian otherwise it could very easily end up as pure semantics in a court of law to decide upon. Uefa aren't a law unto themselves and have to act within the grounds of wider law provisions. You can't bring politics in to football at all when it comes to European competition. FIFA and UEFA have strict rules against this. JCDBigBear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben10 2,257 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Hollicom and the bheasts really digging their heels in. At the expense of countless victims of that institution. Makes me sick to think that this board, who have been given the benefit of the doubt three years in a row, and duly supported in ticket numbers, are beginning to poison the precious momentum we have going for us on the pitch. I was excited about the season yesterday. I'd spit on 55 if it meant apologising for who we are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howsitgoing 4,281 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 We are giving these bastards an easy option to hit us every time we are on a role and they are facing negative publicity. We know about their media, we know about the influence they have on UEFA so why are supporters of our club still giving them the ammunition to derail our comeback? Especially for the sake of removing a word or two, there’s fuckall they can do with being called paedos,that clubs history is full of facts that we can use to ridicule the cunts we can fight a lot more clever than we are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,714 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 2 hours ago, TMB said: You can't bring politics in to football at all when it comes to European competition. FIFA and UEFA have strict rules against this. Funny that cause they don't act when it's Real or Barca or even the likes of Bilbao kelvd1873, Courtyard Bear and BridgeIsBlue 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger_onimo 20,488 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 4 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: It's "we" when things are acceptable and "they" when describing those who bring our Club into disrepute. That is standard. However, I'm pretty sure you were already aware of that. Are you now anti-Gerrard because of his stance? Eh? No, I’m saying he’s using language correctly by describing the fans, of which he isn’t one, as “they”. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,455 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: Funny that cause they don't act when it's Real or Barca or even the likes of Bilbao We're an easy target Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Logan 2 51 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 16 hours ago, sassaaaa said: Its they now instead of us........... Starting on the manager because of one word are we? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabc10000 5,061 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, Don Logan 2 said: Starting on the manager because of one word are we? No far from it but I reckon this is the beginning of operation "gerrard out" and by the media and taigs alike Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton2008 646 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 16 hours ago, gogzy said: They = Rangers fans. He is not a Rangers fan. Not sure what the issue is here, is it because he is saying something you don't agree with? Fact of the matter is he’s not a traditional Rangers fan. Employed by the club. Has a growing affinity with the club. Probably will be a lifelong fan once his tenure is over. He a Liverpool fan. Comes from catholic stock - not that that matters a jot. He has said his piece and there’s not a single thing wrong with what he said. This chat is littered with the ‘taig infestion that reaches the very top’ pish. At they end of the day we have been caught with our pants down. Dont let it happen again as it will only harm our club. Pretty simple stuff. JCDBigBear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton2008 646 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, rabc10000 said: No far from it but I reckon this is the beginning of operation "gerrard out" and by the media and taigs alike Is it coincidence that Liewell sitting on a uefa committee.... 👀 kelvd1873 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Rfc52 said: Funny that cause they don't act when it's Real or Barca or even the likes of Bilbao What other clubs do doesn't really matter though does it? We know they pick and choose their punishments to suit them. Fuck, going back a good few seasons here but there was a team got done for racist chanting at their game (think it was a Croatian side but not 100% certain) and they got fine less for that than Nicklas Bendtner got fine for showing a betting company logo on his boxers. There's zero consistency to anything UEFA, or FIFA for that matter do when it comes to handing down punishments but what we do know is that we'll be punished for singing certain songs so whether we agree with it or not we need to look after ourselves and stop singing them. JCDBigBear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I don't see the grand conspiracy here. It's not allowed and some sang it anyway. So what do we expect? I'd rather just focus on the football. This bores me to tears. Siam69 and JCDBigBear 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boyd9her 307 Posted August 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2019 Gerrard should of said ‘The Club has released a statement and I won’t be adding anything else’ That shuts down any attempt any Journo makes for a story kelvd1873, SasaPapacLoyal, Supersonic and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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