The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Maybe because Edmundson was just in the door and Katic was still recovering from playing most of the summer and everyone rightly thought he would come back into the side when he was rested. He played three or four youth games over a two month spell after playing something like 11 games for us in the previous seven months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, The Dude said: What's naive about playing a centre-back pairing that have yet to concede a goal in four games together? If you read my other posts I’m purely referencing last night when they were rag dolled by Dykes and only sloppy finishing was the reason Livingston didn’t score. Because we couldn’t deal with winning headers or getting to second ball from knock downs - e were all over the place at the back for the majority of the game, clean sheet or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: Because he gets cast aside first sign of a rocky patch while we watch other players allowed to have bad game after bad game and nothing happens. After his performances against celtic and Livingston I've not got a problem with Helander getting a chance tbh. Last night was the first time Helander looked average and a lot of that's down to that pitch and oppositions tactics imo. Katic was signed as a player for the future and he's developed quicker than expected according to Gerrard. He'll still play a big part throughout the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dude said: So because I used a stat that means I'm obliged to look up any other stat you so wish to introduce? Nah. You want to use stats to back up your argument, go find them yourself. Aye, you can’t use pointless stats to back up your argument but then refuse to look at any other stat. You are continually bleating on about the defence not having conceded, so as you have all the stats and want to use them the. tell us how many shots they have allowed. Because after all that’s the most important stat when it comes to any back 4, no shots on goal equals no goals against. Lots of shots on goal equals goals or you better have Davis and McGregor in the team. I’m sure you have them to hand, don’t you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Maybe because Edmundson was just in the door and Katic was still recovering from playing most of the summer and everyone rightly thought he would come back into the side when he was rested. So it's ok to drop someone playing well as long as it's to make way for Katic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dude said: He played three or four youth games over a two month spell after playing something like 11 games for us in the previous seven months. Youth games 😂😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumhoilann 6,712 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Dude said: You appear to have confused me with Steven Gerrard here. A player made a goalline clearance? well fuck me. Sack all the defenders and start again. McGregor should obviously retire too as he's conceded goals at times this season, Don't prove yourself to be the wanker most believe you are😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,604 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Dude said: What has the guy everyone is bitching about being dropped got to do with the guy who replaced him in the starting XI? No one bitching they are just stating what they feel I know you being a Narcissist will not be able to see that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,633 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Wasn't impressed last night but can't argue 3games he's played 3clean sheets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Aye, you can’t use pointless stats to back up your argument but then refuse to look at any other stat. You are continually bleating on about the defence not having conceded, so as you have all the stats and want to use them the. tell us how many shots they have allowed. Because after all that’s the most important stat when it comes to any back 4, no shots on goal equals no goals against. Lots of shots on goal equals goals or you better have Davis and McGregor in the team. I’m sure you have them to hand, don’t you. Which other stat? The most important stat when it comes to the defence isn't how many shots they conceded but how many goals they conceded. That's the one that counts on the scoreboard. Nobody wins games on the number of shots they had. They do win them based on the number of goals scored and conceded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,604 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: So it's ok to drop someone playing well as long as it's to make way for Katic? We have more evidence on what Katic can offer over Edmundson as he's featured more for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, KingKirk said: Wasn't impressed last night but can't argue 3games he's played 3clean sheets five in five for him. St. Mirren, East Fife, Feyenoord, St. Johnstone and Livi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Smile said: No one bitching they are just stating what they feel I know you being a Narcissist will not be able to see that. No, lots of people are bitching. The usual nonsense about being Gerrard' favourite and doing no wrong despite Katic's form being ropey recently too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: So it's ok to drop someone playing well as long as it's to make way for Katic? So it’s ok to keep playing someone that isn’t playing well as long as he is keeping Katic out of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Blumhoilann said: Don't prove yourself to be the wanker most believe you are😉 So Davis made a goal-line clearance? DO you think any have been made when Katic has played? OR when christ knows how many others have played? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Which other stat? The most important stat when it comes to the defence isn't how many shots they conceded but how many goals they conceded. That's the one that counts on the scoreboard. Nobody wins games on the number of shots they had. They do win them based on the number of goals scored and conceded. Well tell us then how many shots did they allow?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: So it’s ok to keep playing someone that isn’t playing well as long as he is keeping Katic out of the team. When the team aren't conceding goals and his job is to stop the team from conceding goals, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,633 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dude said: five in five for him. St. Mirren, East Fife, Feyenoord, St. Johnstone and Livi. At least worth 50million then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, The Dude said: When the team aren't conceding goals and his job is to stop the team from conceding goals, yes. Still waiting on these stats you like so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Well tell us then how many shots did they allow?? No idea. It's a largely irrelevant stat and not one I've seen measured by specific players culpability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Still waiting on these stats you like so much. Nice and easy. Played five games. Conceded zero goals. Won five games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, BlueMe said: After his performances against celtic and Livingston I've not got a problem with Helander getting a chance tbh. Last night was the first time Helander looked average and a lot of that's down to that pitch and oppositions tactics imo. Katic was signed as a player for the future and he's developed quicker than expected according to Gerrard. He'll still play a big part throughout the season. Pitch has nothing to do with balls in the air and looking like he was running through mud. Having poor positional sense and looking like a girl guide could outmuscle him The problem I had with dropping Katic was him dropping totally out the squad. I said before it both him and Goldson needed a rest but it would’ve been after the Feyenoord game. Still waiting on goldson getting his rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA1972 9,555 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Mad that some people have watched our defending in the last 2 games and found it acceptable just because we kept a clean sheet. We’ve been lucky that we haven’t been playing against anyone Seems some are still seething they were proved wrong in claiming Worrall was far better than Katic last year. The reason a lot of us want him playing is despite not being perfect he’s been streets ahead of anyone else we’ve seen at the back this season not because of some myth that he can do no wrong. If he was out there looking like a dumpling playing shite balls out of defence every game I’d be fuming at him as well but the fact is more often than not he’s been an absolute rock for us and against pishy long ball teams guarantees you won’t get beat in the air. If Morelos has 2 slightly below par games where he still hasn’t really made any glaring mistakes would be be dropped? Would Jack get punted for Andy King in the same situation? Definitely not and rightly so, so why is it fair that it’s happening to this lad You’ve got to look long term as well, he could be worth a fortune to someone down south or abroad in the future so do you really want to piss him off to the extent he forces a move say next summer for a small fee then shines elsewhere only to be worth 10 million+ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: Nice and easy. Played five games. Conceded zero goals. Won five games. So no stats then for the CB pairing. When did we include Davis and McGregor in this debate?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,835 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Stats aside, his second half performance last night was an embarrassment. There is no denying that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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