OhW 4,669 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Are both of our full backs getting too old to play in our system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, OrangeRab said: Our holding midfielders still donât protect the back four enough. St Mirrenâs break in the first half where Balogun made the great cover tackle. Jack was far too high up the pitch given both full backs were level with their penalty box. Its inexcusable that we are playing 3 centre mids and can get caught short like that. Either Kamara or Jack need to do better at dropping into that hole and protecting the centre backs when Tav and Barisic bomb forward. You cant blame one st mirren player getting the ball running straight at goldson and going by him like he wasnt there, on the holding mids đ đ That break in the first half was purely goldson being half arsed tackling the boy and balogun having to bail him out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, OhW said: Are both of our full backs getting too old to play in our system? What? Barisic is the croatian left back and flying for us the now, going by players, throwing cross after cross onto strikers heads Tav is playing very much like a 200k english journeyman we bought under Warburton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelydan1690 20,228 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, OhW said: Are both of our full backs getting too old to play in our system? There aren't mid 30s ffs đđ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
British_Empire 9,648 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, OhW said: Are both of our full backs getting too old to play in our system? To be honest mate, they are both peak years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR3 12,663 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Tav's probably had the opportunity to go to someone like a West Brom on a few occasions but stuck with us and I'd say his defending over the past year has got a hell of a lot better from what it was, whilst underfire the most out of any player as the buck stops with the skipper. He's grown into that role and seems like one of our best professionals. Not to mention his numbers even though they were padded out with pens etc, he was a huge contributor to assists and what challenge we did make. I'd love for him to do it and lift the league this year, from where we have came from and the work he's put in to get here, when it would have been so easy to have escaped the pressure of the goldfish bowl and move to the Championship probably on more money too. Huge chance to be our captain,leader and legend this year. Go on the tav. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
British_Empire 9,648 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, CR3 said: Tav's probably had the opportunity to go to someone like a West Brom on a few occasions but stuck with us and I'd say his defending over the past year has got a hell of a lot better from what it was, whilst underfire the most out of any player as the buck stops with the skipper. He's grown into that role and seems like one of our best professionals. Not to mention his numbers even though they were padded out with pens etc, he was a huge contributor to assists and what challenge we did make. I'd love for him to do it and lift the league this year, from where we have came from and the work he's put in to get here, when it would have been so easy to have escaped the pressure of the goldfish bowl and move to the Championship probably on more money too. Huge chance to be our captain,leader and legend this year. Go on the tav. No it's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR3 12,663 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, British_Empire said: No it's not. we disagree on something. Shock horror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
British_Empire 9,648 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, CR3 said: we disagree on something. Shock horror. Can't say I noticed before mate haha. No offence meant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,103 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Probably one of the most boring debates our support has, and itâs not even a debate - heâs a key player. Tav had a rocky patch last season but that was his first since joining the club and heâs been a consistent performer ever since. Heâs become this strange whipping boy ever since those comments in the programme last year. Some of our fans have an unhealthy obsession with him because of that, I didnât agree with those comments he made but time to let them go I think. He had a good game today and we are still yet to concede in the league this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR3 12,663 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, British_Empire said: Can't say I noticed before mate haha. No offence meant. was only joking. Nah, but to back it up I guess I remember him getting turned inside out from any old winger and nightmares against THEM but since that game December 29 2018 with Jack scoring and finally beating them I felt he then got the confidence after having their winger in his back pocket and stepping up in OF's and Europe at times. Although, a few blemishes on the record v Young Boys etc and bad clearances. I'm just saying hes got a lot better at that side of the game I feel and 1v1's when his strength was always clearly going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
British_Empire 9,648 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, Leeds_Bear said: Probably one of the most boring debates our support has, and itâs not even a debate Tav had a rocky patch last season but that was his first since joining the club and heâs been a consistent performer ever since. Heâs become this strange whipping boy ever since those comments in the programme last year. Some of our fans have an unhealthy obsession with him because of that, I didnât agree with those comments he made but time to let them go I think. He had a good game today and we are still yet to concede in the league this season. Tbh mate he's not been a strange whipping boy since the comments in the Hamilton game The issues folk have with with him have been the same issues for 3 years now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,360 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, CR3 said: Tav's probably had the opportunity to go to someone like a West Brom on a few occasions but stuck with us and I'd say his defending over the past year has got a hell of a lot better from what it was Fuck sake. Here we go again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,374 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Its actually worrying that people think his defending has improved, he came here with 0 positional sense and has got worse in that area of his game đ đ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 10,784 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Genuinely can't remember one winger domestically who's had the better of him over the course of a game since Gerrard's come in. Wins far more 1 v 1s than players getting by him. He's not faultless by any means but we haven't a single player who is. That's why they're with us and not at a top club in the EPL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR3 12,663 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Aw fuck aye, just remembered I'm in the Bears Den. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,103 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, British_Empire said: Tbh mate he's not been a strange whipping boy since the comments in the Hamilton game The issues folk have with with him have been the same issues for 3 years now Fair, but only confirms how boring it is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
British_Empire 9,648 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, Laudrupsleftfoot said: Genuinely can't remember one winger domestically who's had the better of him over the course of a game since Gerrard's come in. Wins far more 1 v 1s than players getting by him. He's not faultless by any means but we haven't a single player who is. That's why they're with us and not at a top club in the EPL. Thing is mate, you don't need a winger to rip him when he's constantly out of position and sleeping. Opposition target him. They admit it (or do afterwards) They can drag him about everywhere. I do agree tho (in his defence) than when it bounces near him and it's 1 vs 1 he does well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 5,438 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, OhW said: Are both of our full backs getting too old to play in our system? They are both still in their 20s... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghorn leghorn 608 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Tav's level sits at mid Scottish Premiership football, he was weak against the Germans and would make a poor Catholic - he can't cross. Some mate said he couldn't tackle a fish supper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 10,784 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, British_Empire said: Thing is mate, you don't need a winger to rip him when he's constantly out of position and sleeping. Opposition target him. They admit it (or do afterwards) They can drag him about everywhere. I do agree tho (in his defence) than when it bounces near him and it's 1 vs 1 he does well Don't agree it's constantly but I'd agree that's his main fault. What you get in return is probably the best athlete in the league, probably the best 1 v 1 full back in the league (alongside or bar Barisic), probably the best crosser of a ball in the league (alongside or bar Barisic), probably the most technical full back in the league bar Barisic and so on and so forth. I've seen balls pinged at him he's had no right to bring down and he's cushioned it like it was nothing. If he was as elite at defensive positioning and all round reading of the game as he was at some of the things he excels at (at his best, I think he's lost a bit going forward over the past year or so) he'd be at an Arsenal or someone. But he's not, the same way Barisic's lack of pace will probably hold him back from playing at the very top end of the league in England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
British_Empire 9,648 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Laudrupsleftfoot said: Don't agree it's constantly but I'd agree that's his main fault. What you get in return is probably the best athlete in the league, probably the best 1 v 1 full back in the league (alongside or bar Barisic), probably the best crosser of a ball in the league (alongside or bar Barisic), probably the most technical full back in the league bar Barisic and so on and so forth. I've seen balls pinged at him he's had no right to bring down and he's cushioned it like it was nothing. If he was as elite at defensive positioning and all round reading of the game as he was at some of the things he excels at (at his best, I think he's lost a bit going forward over the past year or so) he'd be at an Arsenal or someone. But he's not, the same way Barisic's lack of pace will probably hold him back from playing at the very top end of the league in England. Couple bits of that I don't agree with mate but fair enough. It's just about opinions and you're constructive enough there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,194 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 Some cunt start another thread so my name isnât attached to it such a riddy  I was caught up in the rage of that cup final talking absolute shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornliebanktrueblue 667 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, British_Empire said: Doesn't matter - if you're a Rangers fan you (should) strive for the best. He's our captain and an awful right-back. I do get folk saying we won today and I admit it was a good day - but why ignore glaring problems in our side? guys a clown. Everyone knows it. Honestly mate.  Youâre clearly hurting about something.  Havenât read all your posts but weâre top of the league.  Sandy jardine and Hutton apart I think Tav is best right full back in years.  He has defensive lapses and crossing lapses but I think had most assists last 2 years? Despite his âshit crissingâ 1 goal conceded in all games against possible German tournament winners.  He did not have a good game there but few did. If youâre Rangers fan then try not to call our captain a clown. Please.  Just to keep an older guy happy who used to go watch Jim Denny at full back.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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