Jimfanciesthedude 24,499 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 433 with 2 or 3 sitting midfielders is fucking brutal and when teams suss it out we struggle, last week against hearts it was the "lop sided" formation, well it wasnt fucking lopsided today and we were still fucking shite Our system and style against teams sitting in is so passive it's bordering on negative, any defender loves to see a team pass it sideways in front of them, theres no directness, no adventure, no guile in our play, we play a system that relies on its fucking fullbacks to be the attacking spark, Thats fine if you play against teams that open up, but against 10 goal side players the fullback gets down the line, looks up, sees one blue shirt in the box, either throws it in hoping for the best or turns back and passes back and we start again with us facing ten players Get davis to fuck, he stifles everyone else in that team, have one sitting mid to break up opponents breakaways and play 4 high up the park midfielders, Have two wide men stay wide, stretch the opposition defence, create gaps between centre halves and fullbacks that allows runners from centre mid to burst into, force the opposition to defend facing their goal Change it up, be unpredictable, teams right now read us like a fucking book and it always has the same fucking shitey ending, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,718 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Too little too late. Damage is done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,090 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I don't think we use the width well enough . When teams come to sit in , we have to stretch them across the park better instead of letting them use the bulk of their defence to overload the penalty area . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,360 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 It’s completely the players. They system has worked for almost every game this season, and since Dubai we’ve fucked it. Same as last year. It’s bottle and mentality. Technically good, mentally tinpot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA1972 9,493 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Davis shouldn’t be playing Serving zero purpose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,687 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 For the majority of the time, the 4-3-3 works but only when our full-backs are on top form. I thought Barasic was off today and obviously Tav has been out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrick 8,048 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Kent basically plays in the middle of the park just now , out wide , when he beats a man his next move is a cross or a shot , where he’s playing just now it’s far to congested , beats one man another right behind to beat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,499 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, bluenoz said: For the majority of the time, the 4-3-3 works but only when our full-backs are on top form. I thought Barasic was off today and obviously Tav has been out. So what happens during a game if your fullbacks are off form, where else does the system allow others to step up and take command The fact we are praying that 2 fullbacks do the business up the park for us is the biggest shambles out, nevermind asking one of the 5mids to actually create something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jimfanciesthedude 24,499 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: It’s completely the players. They system has worked for almost every game this season, and since Dubai we’ve fucked it. Same as last year. It’s bottle and mentality. Technically good, mentally tinpot. Dubai didnt fuck our bottle, we went to parkhead with the chance of going 8 behind and instead turned them over, a team that came out and played against us When our attacking fullback overlaps the inside forward and looks up to find one Rangers player and 3 opposing defenders in the box, and either crosses it in hope or turns back and passes backwards, what part of that is a lack of bottle When our 3 sitting mids look up and see 9 defensive players and only 3 of our players, what part of that is bottle Our system relies on Individual brilliance Teams making fatal errors Blind luck If we dont have any of they 3 we drop points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,687 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said: So what happens during a game if your fullbacks are off form, where else does the system allow others to step up and take command The fact we are praying that 2 fullbacks do the business up the park for us is the biggest shambles out, nevermind asking one of the 5mids to actually create something In the last 12 minutes we had Morelos, Kamberi, Aribo, Kent, Hagi & Ojo on the park. I wouldn't say we were exactly playing 4-3-3 by that point. Our problem is we can't break down defensive teams. It's been like that for three years. Every good team use their fullbacks as attacking options these days. We are no different and we are fortunate to have two really good ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty117 123 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Its sickening seeing our middle 3 never making runs beyond the striker. Arfield will try but davies and kamara are zero threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 30,782 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 We have to adapt during games. If it takes route 1 football to get a goal then fucking use it. Get the ball pumped into the opposition box any old way and keep defenders on the back foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,499 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, bluenoz said: In the last 12 minutes we had Morelos, Kamberi, Aribo, Kent, Hagi & Ojo on the park. I wouldn't say we were exactly playing 4-3-3 by that point. Our problem is we can't break down defensive teams. It's been like that for three years. Every good team use their fullbacks as attacking options these days. We are no different and we are fortunate to have two really good ones. Your giving 3 subs twelve minutes to break down a defensive unit thats brimming with confidence having held us out for the previous 78mins, theres the problem Mccinnes knew exactly how to set up his team today, he knew exactly who to play and where to play them, he knew exactly what to tell them to do against what players, how did he know this, because we play the same fucking thing week after week after week no matter what Tarriers went to rugby park and played 352, they brought in a defender who hadnt kicked a ball in months that night, they did it and killie hadnt a fucking clue, tarriers scudded them, following game at the piggery they go back to 451, opponents havent a clue how they will play, but with us they know every little thing Its a disgrace that we don't start games with anything different at all when we arent playing well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie0202 12,220 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 It's definitely not the system. The scum have won the league the past few years playing the exact same system so it's not the fucking system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 It's not specifically the system, it's specifically our inability to change the system. We're too predictable and aren't comfortable unless playing 4-3-3. That's why Kamberi didn't come on until the last 10 minutes because we only work on having 1 striker on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop 654 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 So why does the system work so well up until Dubai and then fall on it's arse post Dubai? Dubaius theory mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty117 123 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jamie0202 said: It's definitely not the system. The scum have won the league the past few years playing the exact same system so it's not the fucking system. They play a 4231 with wingers. Christie is behind edourd. Mcgregor as cm gets forward. 2 are totally different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,081 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Dubai didnt fuck our bottle, we went to parkhead with the chance of going 8 behind and instead turned them over, a team that came out and played against us When our attacking fullback overlaps the inside forward and looks up to find one Rangers player and 3 opposing defenders in the box, and either crosses it in hope or turns back and passes backwards, what part of that is a lack of bottle When our 3 sitting mids look up and see 9 defensive players and only 3 of our players, what part of that is bottle Our system relies on Individual brilliance Teams making fatal errors Blind luck If we dont have any of they 3 we drop points Well said! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie0202 12,220 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rusty117 said: They play a 4231 with wingers. Christie is behind edourd. Mcgregor as cm gets forward. 2 are totally different. They don't. They play the exact same system with 1 main striker and the full backs providing the width. It definitely isn't the system that's wrong with us as it's also that same system that has given us good results already this season, both domestically and in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,801 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 You can’t play 4-3-3 relying on 2 number 10’s and 2 full back to create in the Scottish Premiership. A complete nonsense. Aberdeen and Mcinnes, not for the first time absolutely played is like a fiddle today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Nobody was saying any of this shite before the winter break. It's easy to criticise and say i told you so when thing's aren't working out. We changed the system today and we've changed it in previous games when thing's aren't working, fuck knows why people continually say Gerrard doesn't change thing's or have a plan B, when it's clear he does. We have a lot of players out of form at the same time and have had shite luck with key players picking up injuries/suspensions - it's no coincidence we start to create less and look worse when our most creative player in Tav is out injured and arguably our best midfielder in Jack isn't playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty117 123 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Nonsense. You telling me Christie plays a holding role in the middle of their 3?? Utter balls. Forrest is clearly a winger. Your talking utter pish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty117 123 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jamie0202 said: They don't. They play the exact same system with 1 main striker and the full backs providing the width. It definitely isn't the system that's wrong with us as it's also that same system that has given us good results already this season, both domestically and in Europe. Forgot to tag this crap in my reply. Utter drivel. 2 systems are totally different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueVanguard 6,608 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Your giving 3 subs twelve minutes to break down a defensive unit thats brimming with confidence having held us out for the previous 78mins, theres the problem Mccinnes knew exactly how to set up his team today, he knew exactly who to play and where to play them, he knew exactly what to tell them to do against what players, how did he know this, because we play the same fucking thing week after week after week no matter what Tarriers went to rugby park and played 352, they brought in a defender who hadnt kicked a ball in months that night, they did it and killie hadnt a fucking clue, tarriers scudded them, following game at the piggery they go back to 451, opponents havent a clue how they will play, but with us they know every little thing Its a disgrace that we don't start games with anything different at all when we arent playing well 110% agree with everything you typed. We seem to set up the same every week. Its worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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