sausagetrunks 6,016 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Fuck all to lose night as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Copeland1983 said: Need to be tried out the rest of the season to try make us more creative and learn more about our players for next season. We should have already done this tbh. We know that the 4-3-3 with inside forwards can work against better teams. We now need a system that massively improves our ability to create chances and score goals against the shite I would suggest the following options are tried out (with players rotated based on form and suitability for the system not on name, this is just suggestions) 4-2-3-1 - with a number 10 and natural wingers McGregor Tav Katic Goldson Barisic Jack Arfield Jones Hagi/Stewart Kent Morelos 4-4-2 - with natural wingers McGregor Tav Katic Goldson Barisic Jones/Hastie Jack Arfield Kent Morelos Kamberi/Defoe 4-4-1-1 - with natural wingers and a number 10 McGregor Tav Katic Goldson Barisic Jones/Hastie Jack Arfield Kent Hagi/Stewart Morelos 3-5-2 - with advanced fullbacks and two strikers McGregor Katic Goldson Edmundson Tav Barisic Jack Arfield Aribo Morelos Kamberi/Defoe Wish we had been trying things like this out behind closed doors in January rather than running players into the ground in Dubai. Would definitely give 3-5-2 a run of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuistraHairDo 12,489 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Doesn't matter what system it is, it's been proven the one we use works. It's the players that need to try harder and stop going into cruise control when we go a goal up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nk89 1,286 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just need to have more goalscorers on the park in these games its tht simple. having davis, kamara,jack and arfield on. And kamberi, defoe, stewart. On the bench is wrong. Morelos Stewart Aribo Hagi Kent and Defoe/kamberi, should be starting every game at home to these defensive teams McGregor Tav Goldson Jack Barisic Stewart Aribo Hagi Kent Morelos Kamberi/Defoe With jack pushing into the holding role n dropping back if the opponent cross the half way line. We might concede with that approach but would fancy us to be scoring at least 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBufalo20 7,875 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Still don’t understand why we signed 4 wingers Jones Hastie Ojo Barker 5 if you include Kent yet we don’t apparently play with any anymore just 2 number 10s. Seems like a real lack of communication to me from Gerrard and whoever is making the signings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,752 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, ElBufalo20 said: Still don’t understand why we signed 4 wingers Jones Hastie Ojo Barker 5 if you include Kent yet we don’t apparently play with any anymore just 2 number 10s. Seems like a real lack of communication to me from Gerrard and whoever is making the signings What’s even more mental is that four out of the five are worse players than Candeias is. His stats weren’t the best but at least he pressed and worked for the entire 90 minutes and at least he actually looked to get down the line rather than just go from out to in all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooperSF 5,792 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 hours ago, Copeland1983 said: Need to be tried out the rest of the season to try make us more creative and learn more about our players for next season. We should have already done this tbh. We know that the 4-3-3 with inside forwards can work against better teams. We now need a system that massively improves our ability to create chances and score goals against the shite I would suggest the following options are tried out (with players rotated based on form and suitability for the system not on name, this is just suggestions) 4-2-3-1 - with a number 10 and natural wingers McGregor Tav Katic Goldson Barisic Jack Arfield Jones Hagi/Stewart Kent Morelos 4-4-2 - with natural wingers McGregor Tav Katic Goldson Barisic Jones/Hastie Jack Arfield Kent Morelos Kamberi/Defoe 4-4-1-1 - with natural wingers and a number 10 McGregor Tav Katic Goldson Barisic Jones/Hastie Jack Arfield Kent Hagi/Stewart Morelos 3-5-2 - with advanced fullbacks and two strikers McGregor Katic Goldson Edmundson Tav Barisic Jack Arfield Aribo Morelos Kamberi/Defoe Wish we had been trying things like this out behind closed doors in January rather than running players into the ground in Dubai. 3-5-2 Replace Aribo with Hagi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,752 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 No chance we are leaving Kent out of the side after what we spent on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton2008 646 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 hours ago, Zappa6995 said: Manager is too set in his ways, its his way or the highway He shouldn’t be. He’s only been a manager 2 minutes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
five stars 1,635 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 We need to be more flexible so we can have different formations depending on the opposition, as well as the ability to change formation during a game if required. This has the benefit of also keeping the opposition guessing, as they're not sure how we'll line up. We also need to better use substitutions. We need to give a few of the fringe players a chance, Jones, Stewart or Kamberi deserve a chance if they're looking good in training. Gerrard needs to be ruthless, no players position in the team is guaranteed including Goldson, Tav, Morelos, Kent etc. But most of all we need players who are willing to give 100% every game. Too many of our team look like they treat the games as if they were friendlies instead of a battle to win the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton2008 646 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, DBBTB said: No chance we are leaving Kent out of the side after what we spent on him. On the wing or out the side if I was the boss. Big decisions must be made Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton2008 646 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, five stars said: We need to be more flexible so we can have different formations depending on the opposition, as well as the ability to change formation during a game if required. This has the benefit of also keeping the opposition guessing, as they're not sure how we'll line up. We also need to better use substitutions. We need to give a few of the fringe players a chance, Jones, Stewart or Kamberi deserve a chance if they're looking good in training. Gerrard needs to be ruthless, no players position in the team is guaranteed including Goldson, Tav, Morelos, Kent etc. But most of all we need players who are willing to give 100% every game. Too many of our team look like they treat the games as if they were friendlies instead of a battle to win the league. Gaffer has questioned the character and mentality of the side. I’d expect the axe to drop for the weekends game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog 10,673 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Players shitting it from running forward with the ball, shitting it from shooting outside the box and passing backward because it’s easier will not change with a change in formation. The manager needs to tell them their job is to show some balls and if they can’t then they shouldn’t be picked. Tactics and formations only work if the players are capable. Sadly a lot of our players look incapable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,115 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 System is fine for me we need to stop pussy footing around taking to many touches. Every time Kent, Aribo and Jones get the the ball just run at them, commit the defenders draw fouls and get down the flanks, not the usual cut inside lay it off pish we do. RUN at the bastards. on a side note we can never play Halliday or Flanagan again. Halliday really pissed me of on wed, strutting about like he’s a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,371 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 18 hours ago, bluenoz said: When was the last time a substitution made an impact? Someone who changed the outcome of a game. And I don't mean Greg Stewart coming on and scoring when we are already comfortably in the lead. Gerrard's subs are usually like for like in the same formation which never really alters a game. I would say this is the thing that Gerrard has yet to learn. Morelos, boxing day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebell82 243 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 We don't seem to be cutting teams open or making many clear cut chances. We need to get Kent into positions where he is one on one with a defender and can use his pace to beat a man instead of running of across the field and into congestion. Stewart def needs a start, prob in place of Aribo. I'd also like to see more of Jones, in place of Kent if he continues to be off form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross-Gazza genius 1,902 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 For me our problems are down to how slow we are at passing and moving. I don't know how many times halliday gave the ball to Kent the other night and didn't even offer an overlap leaving Kent with Burke and o'donnell marking him or to shut him down. Even though I thought Arfield got stuck in and scored a cracker he was also an offender of passing the ball either wide or up to morelos and then standing still. Aribo also doesn't move much, he has a bit of skill on the ball but far too many times he either slows the play right down by pissing about on it or doesn't move enough to offer options basically just takes up a statuesque central role. Our pressing game has went to shit and if our players don't get their fingers out and start running for each other it won't matter what formation we play it will still be the same old predictable slow shite we've seen since the turn of the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRB_72 3,987 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I put this in the match thread andI totally agree with OP. This is time for him to change some things and try something new because we've been found out tactically. We're not scoring enough goals, we've scored 7 in our 6 league games since coming back whereas celtic have scored 22 in their 6 games back. Before the break we were matching celtic for goals. I also think the midfield have been overused as well and we're left ourselves with little depth. A change to 3-5-2 could solve both these situations. Changing from effectively 4 or 5 central midfielders to just 3 opens up all kinds of possibilities in there with the 6 or 7 options we have. It leaves a question about Kent but he could certainly play as a 10 as he has been almost anyway, but to be quite frank I think he needs a game or two on the bench. Then up top we have to get more goals into the team because nobody in that midfield has contributed anything near enough. Arfield has been in decent form scoring 5 in his last 6 starts but before that he hasn't contributed much overall. Changing to a back 3 also gives the deepest of the central midfielders a bit of freedom to go forward without worrying what's happening in behind them. This idea that Morelos can't play with someone else has to change. We literally rely on him whether we win games or not and it's no fair on him though I'm sure he enjoys being the man. Him and Kamberi going up against two opposition centre halfs seems like a decent match up for us and when Defoe is back then even better. With players like Tav, Barisic whipping in balls like they can having two strikers in there seems a logical step. The creativity of Hagi, Kent or even Stewart in behind them two is an interesting prospect along with ability of Arfield or Aribo to run in behind a defence that has been pulled apart by Morelos, Kamberi or Defoe. McGregor Goldson Edmundson Katic Tavernier Arfield Jack Barisic (if fit) Hagi Morelos Kamberi It's all too late now but this is a time to experiment now and try different things. What are we going to lose? Second place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 20 hours ago, Copeland1983 said: Wouldn't you want to test that assumption given the league is over, rather than blindly accept the system we've used to lose two leagues is not the problem? I’d rather assume the league wasn’t over and stop all this surrender monkey shite - it wasn’t over when we beat them and it ain’t over now - to experiment is to concede! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,360 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I imagine we will try out new systems when the league's mathematically impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkytfp1 18,579 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Posted weeks ago that we needed to change formation/tactics and was shot down to fuck. Some of the gunmen are here now saying we need to change 🙄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkytfp1 18,579 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just did this on fifa 98 and won the African cup of nations wae Rangers. Dae it! Deliberately made some of the positions wonkey so confuse the opposition. Tactic is called "shock the cunts". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandRoad83 3,241 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said: I’d rather assume the league wasn’t over and stop all this surrender monkey shite - it wasn’t over when we beat them and it ain’t over now - to experiment is to concede! Fair enough tbh. I was pissed off, still think the league is a long shot and actually still I think its worth experimenting at least to find a way of improving our (albeit) slim chances of the league this year by looking to be more creative and attacking. We are simply not creating or scoring enough goals atm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandRoad83 3,241 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Malkytfp1 said: Just did this on fifa 98 and won the African cup of nations wae Rangers. Dae it! Deliberately made some of the positions wonkey so confuse the opposition. Tactic is called "shock the cunts". Get Gerrard to fuck and give this man the job now. Playing McGregor at the top of the box is a master stroke. The new Beckenbauer sweeper keeper role. Ideal against the low block. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkytfp1 18,579 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Copeland1983 said: Get Gerrard to fuck and give this man the job now. Playing McGregor at the top of the box is a master stroke. The new Beckenbauer sweeper keeper role. Ideal against the low block. Am probably in the top 5 best managers in ma street. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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