Boybluesy 3,663 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, HairyBeary said: Who went so Saudi Arabia? Laurence, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,358 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, BillStruthBear said: Ludicrous basis for an argument, I'm actually a bit embarrassed for you. You used aribo being shite as a basis for how bad league 1 players are, ive just shown you one that's our captain now, so thats one player for each side of the argument, still nothing convincing me that the players we loaned out aren't better than the likes of jones, ojo etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,358 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Ross-Gazza genius said: They've got a much bigger squad which they've used, we haven't. Gerrards fault then, signed 5 wingers, doesnt play a winger system, brings in 28 players in 18months yet the core squad are apparently burnt out All this is on gerrard not the players, a lot of people on here seem hesitant to lay any of the blame on gerrard and find anyway to turn it onto the players I'll say it again, teams have sussed us, its nothing to do with losing the dressing room or everyone burnt out or off form, its our one dimensional system thats causing it, every opponent now knows how we'll play and how to counter it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1872 20,437 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I don't think he's lost the dressing room at all I just think we've got zero confidence. The weight of playing for us and the expectation is too much for some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,358 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, B1872 said: I don't think he's lost the dressing room at all I just think we've got zero confidence. The weight of playing for us and the expectation is too much for some. Yet they went to the piggery and played that mob off the park and won Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, HairyBeary said: Who went so Saudi Arabia? Lawrence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,016 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Yet they went to the piggery and played that mob off the park and won Was the season over when we beat them at the piggery? The expectation is to win every game not just the ones against the pedos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,358 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, King Jela said: Was the season over when we beat them at the piggery? The expectation is to win every game not just the ones against the pedos. It would have been had we lost, immense pressure not to fuck it up, and they coasted it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross-Gazza genius 1,890 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Gerrards fault then, signed 5 wingers, doesnt play a winger system, brings in 28 players in 18months yet the core squad are apparently burnt out All this is on gerrard not the players, a lot of people on here seem hesitant to lay any of the blame on gerrard and find anyway to turn it onto the players I'll say it again, teams have sussed us, its nothing to do with losing the dressing room or everyone burnt out or off form, its our one dimensional system thats causing it, every opponent now knows how we'll play and how to counter it Players can be burnt out and it can also be Gerrards fault that that is the case. I've already said in other posts that Gerrard takes the blame for that and in no way am I saying it's the players fault for being mismanaged. If our season starts early due to European qualifiers and with Cup runs he needs to make sure he has a squad capable of dealing with it and keeping it fresh. At times this season Tav, goldson, aribo, Arfield, Kent and now morelos have been out of form but he's been reluctant to change them and sticking with the same players will not help in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStruthBear 125 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said: You used aribo being shite as a basis for how bad league 1 players are, ive just shown you one that's our captain now, so thats one player for each side of the argument, still nothing convincing me that the players we loaned out aren't better than the likes of jones, ojo etc Problem is there are COUNTLESS examples of players from that level not stepping up. Jamie Vardy played for Fleetwood before Leicester. That doesn’t mean that the National League is a good standard, and it would be daft to use an anomaly as evidence that it is. It simply means Jamie Vardy is too good for that level. League One is piss poor and if you seriously think we can mount title challenges off the back of signing players from there, then I’m not really sure what to say about that. As for suggesting that some of our incoming players are/have been no better than ones we’ve loaned out? I completely agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,358 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, BillStruthBear said: Problem is there are COUNTLESS examples of players from that level not stepping up. Jamie Vardy played for Fleetwood before Leicester. That doesn’t mean that the National League is a good standard, and it would be daft to use an anomaly as evidence that it is. It simply means Jamie Vardy is too good for that level. League One is piss poor and if you seriously think we can mount title challenges off the back of signing players from there, then I’m not really sure what to say about that. As for suggesting that some of our incoming players are/have been no better than ones we’ve loaned out? I completely agree. I never said we could mount a title challenge with league one players, i did say however that Murphy and mccrorie are playing in a better standard overall of league than we are playing in, others have disagreed but its my opinion that league one is better than non old firm spfl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Lost The Dressing Room? No I don't think Gerrard has lost the dressing room. I think this is just media trying to drive Gerrard out along with Morelos as they are Rangers prized assets atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,016 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: It would have been had we lost, immense pressure not to fuck it up, and they coasted it And that attitude is exactly why the tarriers are 10 points in front. They lost that game and haven't looked back, we won the game and thought the hard part was over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Ibrox Derry 8,820 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 17/02/2020 at 20:04, King Jela said: This is what is confusing me. The tims have been far and away a better team than last year. Even if we'd beat them at Ibrox in September they'd still be 7 clear. We've been great this year, in general, they've just been better. Hard to accept but that is the case. Still a lot of football to be played though. Jela, even if we hadn't dropped all the points that we have since the winter break, they would maybe still be ahead of us, and more than likely would go onto win the league. Their form has been outstanding, I hate to say it, but it's true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,358 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 17/02/2020 at 20:04, King Jela said: This is what is confusing me. The tims have been far and away a better team than last year. Even if we'd beat them at Ibrox in September they'd still be 7 clear. We've been great this year, in general, they've just been better. Hard to accept but that is the case. Still a lot of football to be played though. How would they still be 7 clear if we beat them at ibrox back in september? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis 20,919 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 19 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: It would have been had we lost, immense pressure not to fuck it up, and they coasted it You could argue it would have been better if we lost that game which would have given us the incentive to win the games we've dropped points in. We get complacent every time we win a big game like we think the jobs done, we don't seem to build any momentum from big wins. Beating celtic means fuck all when you drop points against everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,358 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Willis said: You could argue it would have been better if we lost that game which would have given us the incentive to win the games we've dropped points in. We get complacent every time we win a big game like we think the jobs done, we don't seem to build any momentum from big wins. Beating celtic means fuck all when you drop points against everyone else. So you'd prefer us going into a winter break 8 points behind with a game in hand instead of 2 points behind with a game in hand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis 20,919 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: So you'd prefer us going into a winter break 8 points behind with a game in hand instead of 2 points behind with a game in hand? It's irrelevant now cause we've fucked it. No point in celebrating what's turning out to be a worthless victory. The team seem to think all they need to do is beat the taigs and all the rest will work out, we get complacent every time we do well against them. And at this rate us beating them was just a curse disguised as a blessing because we haven't showed any fight since then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,016 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: How would they still be 7 clear if we beat them at ibrox back in september? Fucked the maths but I thought the point was clearly obvious? No? Too difficult? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,016 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: So you'd prefer us going into a winter break 8 points behind with a game in hand instead of 2 points behind with a game in Didnt see the part where he said he'd have preferred us to be 8 points behind going into the winter break, where is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie76 15,353 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 23 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Yet they went to the piggery and played that mob off the park and won Confidence can come and go and we are the prime example of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,238 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 15 hours ago, The Ibrox Derry said: Jela, even if we hadn't dropped all the points that we have since the winter break, they would maybe still be ahead of us, and more than likely would go onto win the league. Their form has been outstanding, I hate to say it, but it's true. Just imagine they’d came back with the multiple suspensions they should have or if Griffiths gets sent of V Hamilton when he should have. Couple that with the numerous points in our Aberdeen and Killie games that would have resulted in us getting 3 points. Is our form poor? Fucking right however it helps to be officiated fairly and when it is all the chat is ‘sign of a good team grinding out results’.......Hearts aside which was pathetic. My point is without fail when we are struggling the ref seems to have a stinker yet when they struggle he seems to do them a favour. Very few teams will play well over a whole season, people forgetting how well have done at times and overlooking the absolute shit show we are up against - all this chat about need to blow teams away, yeah great would be nice but we need to not be hindered at the first moment of struggling. Aberdeen away - late pen not given, Cosgrove should be off Aberdeen at home a joke (Cosgrove should be off) .....straight red at celtic btw...of course Killie away - where to start, where to fucking start We imo have managed to over come shocking officiating at celtic away and Hibs/Livi home Take Killie away and Livi at home. Stone wall red cards ...they are given, Mibbie we score a few and Mibbie that gets us back on track. Again I am not saying we shouldn’t be looking inward but anyone dismissing the impact of refs is imo off the mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,358 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, King Jela said: Fucked the maths but I thought the point was clearly obvious? No? Too difficult? Clearly something was too difficult for you, 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 16:02, BridgeIsBlue said: They're not playing for him anymore, irregardless of the result nobody can convince me otherwise that those players genuinely give a fuck. This is the beginning of the end for Gerrard, deja vu all over again from Warburtons final days. Something has clearly happened over the winter break because there's no valid reason for this monumental collapse. So do you suggest we get rid of the manager and keep these under-performing players at the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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