Quiet Jim 897 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: That's what I've said it'll look like from the very start. Good, never won but awarded . At last we agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueboyG 5,228 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Dude said: And the 12 premiership teams would almost certainly vote against it. Killing it stone dead. Think Hamilton or St. Mirren are going to volunteer away money to help strengthen others when they aren't exactly flush themselves? Rangers would vote against their proposal ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog 10,673 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Quiet Jim said: Good, never won but awarded . At last we agree. The most tainted title in Scottish football history. 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, BlueboyG said: Rangers would vote against their proposal ? Rangers' proposal isnt to pay it out equally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Dude said: There's only one payment due to clubs and it is based on their final league positions. It's a pot of money to be allocated to clubs. The league position is the current mechanism for that. We keep hearing its unchartered territory. It should have been about finding the fairest way to allocate a large chunk of that money to clubs. That's the priority. But today it's been about how to finish the leagues. The payment comes only if that decision meets the desired proposal of the spfl. And that seems to be leveraging clubs to agree on a predetermined proposal that doesnt need made at this point in time. Blackmail covers it quite well tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, SeparateEntityMyArse said: It's a pot of money to be allocated to clubs. The league position is the current mechanism for that. We keep hearing its unchartered territory. It should have been about finding the fairest way to allocate a large chunk of that money to clubs. That's the priority. But today it's been about how to finish the leagues. The payment comes only if that decision meets the desired proposal of the spfl. And that seems to be leveraging clubs to agree on a predetermined proposal that doesnt need made at this point in time. Blackmail covers it quite well tbh. That's because the final payment only comes due once the season is completed. They can't pay teams on their final league position if they havent determined final league positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: That's because the final payment only comes due once the season is completed. They can't pay teams on their final league position if they havent determined final league positions. They could pay out a large chunk to save clubs whilst keeping back an amount to cover any anomalies that may come later when final decisions made on the finalising of leagues. The promotion/ relegation discussions are huge and should be considered separately from saying clubs wont get money if they dont agree to conclude them one specific way right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueboyG 5,228 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Dude said: Rangers' proposal isnt to pay it out equally. 1 hour ago, BlueboyG said: Rangers should offer up a counter proposal for all clubs to vote on, Split remaining pot equally amongst all member teams right now and null and void season. That way most clubs would be given a lot more money than they would in normal circumstances. I think most clubs would then vote to null and void except the club's that are in positions to be promoted. Read above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,770 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Not hard hitting enough. Call them out. I thought it was far too vague to be honest but maybe I am expecting too much. It is a total clusterfuck and I do not see us doing anything when the tarriers are gifted the title, hope I am wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatasauce 1,253 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, The Dude said: And the 12 premiership teams would almost certainly vote against it. Killing it stone dead. Think Hamilton or St. Mirren are going to volunteer away money to help strengthen others when they aren't exactly flush themselves? And what?... voting that way to split prize money and null and void it would kill their deal on the table stone dead aswell plus Hamilton and st mirren wouldn’t get a choice if the spfl made the decision to split it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: They could pay out a large chunk to save clubs whilst keeping back an amount to cover any anomalies that may come later when final decisions made on the finalising of leagues. The promotion/ relegation discussions are huge and should be considered separately from saying clubs wont get money if they dont agree to conclude them one specific way right now. Clubs have been paid the bulk of it already over the course of the season. We got about 350k of it a few weeks ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, Tomatasauce said: And what?... voting that way to split prize money and null and void it would kill their deal on the table stone dead aswell plus Hamilton and st mirren wouldn’t get a choice if the spfl made the decision to split it If the SPFL wanted to split it, it would need a vote of members to be approved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, BlueboyG said: Read above. In that case Rangers would vote for it, the other 11 wouldn't. Still dead in the water. Premiership clubs are likely the ones who'll feel the pinch hardest here. Most PT clubs will be able to furlough staff and have most of their wages covered. Premiership clubs don't have that luxury. They simply aren't going to vote to give away money they badly need just now to keep their head above water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueboyG 5,228 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: In that case Rangers would vote for it, the other 11 wouldn't. Still dead in the water. Premiership clubs are likely the ones who'll feel the pinch hardest here. Most PT clubs will be able to furlough staff and have most of their wages covered. Premiership clubs don't have that luxury. They simply aren't going to vote to give away money they badly need just now to keep their head above water. Hamilton and Hearts would vote for it as they stand to lose much more if they are relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Scottish football will be the biggest laughing stock in the world if this goes through. Partick would be relegated from the Championship when they're only 2 points adrift and have a game in hand All so they can build up to giving the tarriers the title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog 10,673 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Phoned up a guy to wallpaper my feature wall in the living room. We agreed that he would be paid the full amount on finish. 3 quarters of the way through the job he took ill. A couple of weeks later he started a new job and said he couldn’t come back. Does he still get paid despite not finishing or does he get paid because it looked liked he would have finished until he took ill? My answer.......HES GETTING FUCK ALL. No title if it’s not finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, BlueboyG said: Hamilton and Hearts would vote for it as they stand to lose much more if they are relegated. Hamilton won't be relegated. Playoffs are being cancelled. Only Hearts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,138 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: Scottish football will be the biggest laughing stock in the world if this goes through. Partick would be relegated from the Championship when they're only 2 points adrift and have a game in hand All so they can build up to giving the tarriers the title. Thistle not taking it lightly: Wednesday 8th April, 2020 at 4:21pm Following today’s SPFL announcement, Partick Thistle FC will simply not accept this proposal as it stands. We believe that the proposal requires significantly more discussion, scrutiny and debate before any vote can be taken. We are now engaging with others to amend the proposal to identify a fairer and more equitable solution to address a number of inequalities it throws up. At an unprecedented time for football, we believe that it doesn’t meet the basic principle that no club should be left worse off by this important decision. It also seems to link acceptance of the proposal before payments can be made to hard-pressed clubs but, in our opinion, the two things do not need to be linked. Money to clubs is a priority, the proposal could be debated in slower time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,600 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: They could pay out a large chunk to save clubs whilst keeping back an amount to cover any anomalies that may come later when final decisions made on the finalising of leagues. The promotion/ relegation discussions are huge and should be considered separately from saying clubs wont get money if they dont agree to conclude them one specific way right now. Aye I don't like most Scottish clubs but the SPFL are taking the piss bribing teams like you would your child to behave themselves😁😁😁😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,600 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Phoned up a guy to wallpaper my feature wall in the living room. We agreed that he would be paid the full amount on finish. 3 quarters of the way through the job he took ill. A couple of weeks later he started a new job and said he couldn’t come back. Does he still get paid despite not finishing or does he get paid because it looked liked he would have finished until he took ill? My answer.......HES GETTING FUCK ALL. No title if it’s not finished. Is that true😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog 10,673 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, KingKirk said: Aye I don't like most Scottish clubs but the SPFL are taking the piss bribing teams like you would your child to behave themselves😁😁😁😁 The SPFL are fighting in the corner for one club. It’s a fucking disgrace and Rangers should pull a vote of no confidence in Japanese Pete’s fuck buddy 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog 10,673 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, KingKirk said: Is that true😁 No mate just a daft scenario based on the leagues daft scenario. 😂👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bad Robot said: Thistle not taking it lightly: Wednesday 8th April, 2020 at 4:21pm Following today’s SPFL announcement, Partick Thistle FC will simply not accept this proposal as it stands. We believe that the proposal requires significantly more discussion, scrutiny and debate before any vote can be taken. We are now engaging with others to amend the proposal to identify a fairer and more equitable solution to address a number of inequalities it throws up. At an unprecedented time for football, we believe that it doesn’t meet the basic principle that no club should be left worse off by this important decision. It also seems to link acceptance of the proposal before payments can be made to hard-pressed clubs but, in our opinion, the two things do not need to be linked. Money to clubs is a priority, the proposal could be debated in slower time. Good on them. The more clubs speaking out against this shit the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howsitgoing 4,281 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 “As a club, Rangers will immediately propose a member’s resolution which would release prize money to be distributed to all clubs throughout Scotland urgently” My understanding of Rangers proposal was that the money would be distributed on a “need basis” rather than an equal split between all clubs regardless on the position they currently find themselves at. Some clubs will be more adversely affected than others and my preference would be that it’s distributed in that manner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatasauce 1,253 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, The Dude said: If the SPFL wanted to split it, it would need a vote of members to be approved. Yip and if they reject it and the others reject the deal on the table then it’s check mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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