Colin Traive 22,701 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: Not ignored but they aren't going to write specific rules for every scenario. There's no specific rules on how to deal with an invasion of aliens or what happens if there is an insurrection. You seem baffled by the fact that a football league's rulebook specifically caters to football rules rather than generic processes for every potential catastrophe which could befall clubs. Now you’re contradicting yourself. Youve been clinging to the rule book like a life raft telling us every answer is in there, they will be bound by it, come hell or high water. Now you’re agreeing that they have NOT addressed the possibility of being unable to complete the season after 29/30 games which is the point we’ve been trying to get you to understand. This scenario is simply not catered for by the existing rules, your life raft has a huge hole in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: It's not about whether you believe you're acting a know it all cunt. It's about whether I believe that of you. Given i was talking about myself not being one, and you've automatically assumed a general reference related to yourself, then perhaps that needs said on the matter 😂 Ok a senior league in scotland currently within the country's football pyramid system, being abandoned due to external factors (foot and mouth) outwith their control isnt in any way relevant to our senior league within the country's footballing pyramid possibly having its league abandoned due to external factors outwith its control. Not even as a simple comparison. Ok 😂 So its now just a comparison and not a precedent? The SoSFL wasn't part of the senior pyramid in 2001. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,452 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Regarding the null and void scenario - I’m guessing that any teams who have already qualified for promotion mathematically would not be promoted if that was the route we go down? If so, does that mean if Liverpool had already crossed the finish line they wouldn’t get the title? Or they get it, with the dreaded asterisk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, Colin Traive said: Now you’re contradicting yourself. Youve been clinging to the rule book like a life raft telling us every answer is in there, they will be bound by it, come hell or high water. Now you’re agreeing that they have NOT addressed the possibility of being unable to complete the season after 29/30 games which is the point we’ve been trying to get you to understand. This scenario is simply not catered for by the existing rules, your life raft has a huge hole in it. They have addressed the possibility of the season ending early. Hence why the Champion club is defined as the one in first position at the end of the Season and not a specific number of games. Not my life raft but the advice the SPFL are giving to clubs over how the season will end should the not be able to play any more fixtures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: So its now just a comparison and not a precedent? The SoSFL wasn't part of the senior pyramid in 2001. How do you determine precedents without comparing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,138 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, BlueThunder said: You could have a three way with Lord Sugar. A wee bit of sugar and spice 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, SeparateEntityMyArse said: How do you determine precedents without comparing? You look at the right thing for a start. The SoSFL's stance on something 20 years ago bears no relevance to 2020 and how the SPFL handle this. They don't share a rulebook for one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,701 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: They have addressed the possibility of the season ending early. Hence why the Champion club is defined as the one in first position at the end of the Season and not a specific number of games. Not my life raft but the advice the SPFL are giving to clubs over how the season will end should the not be able to play any more fixtures. The rule book also says 38 games. You're back cherrypicking again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheriffHood 536 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, BlueThunder said: I still think the league will be played to a conclusion - I guarantee the tarriers will also be pressing for the Scottish cup to go ahead. When? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Colin Traive said: The rule book also says 38 games. You're back cherrypicking again. Take the time to actually read the rule book. You'll see the board have the discretion to change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: You look at the right thing for a start. The SoSFL's stance on something 20 years ago bears no relevance to 2020 and how the SPFL handle this. They don't share a rulebook for one. What was in their rulebook that allowed for and dictated that course of action then? What is the difference in the current spfl rulebook that would allow for and dictate a different course of action? Maybe something, maybe nothing. I dont know but it would be interesting to know why a committee or board decided differently in what is really as comparable a situation as we're likely to find. Perhaps theres a precedent of a different football league board taking the null and void option that the spfl board will soon decide upon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,452 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, SheriffHood said: When? Next Tuesday. Next August. I don’t know, whenever this starts to blow over, assuming that isn’t too late in the Summer. I’m basing this on a view that the SPFL will not just hand the title to celtic (I could be wrong) and that they will also not just call null and void (I could also be wrong). There are problems, of course, that have been pointed out above. If UEFA take the lead, whichever way, then the SPFL would have to follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: What was in their rulebook that allowed for and dictated that course of action then? What is the difference in the current spfl rulebook that would allow for and dictate a different course of action? Maybe something, maybe nothing. I dont know but it would be interesting to know why a committee or board decided differently in what is really as comparable a situation as we're likely to find. Perhaps theres a precedent of a different football league board taking the null and void option that the spfl board will soon decide upon. No idea what was in there rulebook but it's a different one from the SPFLs. Rule c38 is the one in the SPFLs rulebook that would allow for a different course of action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCR1 1,501 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Start next season with an extra three teams from championship (top three) and have three relegation spots and one promotion from championship. In turn declaring this season null and void and everyone happy, except separate entity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,701 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Dude said: Take the time to actually read the rule book. You'll see the board have the discretion to change that. You can’t keep selectively quoting a rule book for guidance on a scenario they haven’t written a rule for! This is like dealing with a fucking toddler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: No idea what was in there rulebook but it's a different one from the SPFLs. Rule c38 is the one in the SPFLs rulebook that would allow for a different course of action. So you dont know and will just ignore the most comparable example we have. Ok. What in c38? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: So you dont know and will just ignore the most comparable example we have. Ok. What in c38? Because the SPFL Will go on their current rulebook not the SOSFL's from 2000/2001. All of rule c38. "The Club occupying position one in the League at the end of a Season shall be declared the Champion Club of the League and shall hold the "The Scottish Professional Football League Championship Trophy" until the next Season's League Competition is concluded. When the winner of The Scottish Professional Football League Championship trophy has been ascertained, the Trophy shall be handed over to the winner who shall return the same to the Company at the League Office not later than3 weeks prior to the end of the next following Season, in good order and condition and in any event as soon as reasonably practicable following a request from the Board. It shall be the responsibility of the winning Club to arrange appropriate insurance cover for each trophy throughout the period when it is held by the Club." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Colin Traive said: You can’t keep selectively quoting a rule book for guidance on a scenario they haven’t written a rule for! This is like dealing with a fucking toddler. Do you think they have rules for every plausible scenario? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,452 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Because the SPFL Will go on their current rulebook not the SOSFL's from 2000/2001. All of rule c38. "The Club occupying position one in the League at the end of a Season shall be declared the Champion Club of the League and shall hold the "The Scottish Professional Football League Championship Trophy" until the next Season's League Competition is concluded. When the winner of The Scottish Professional Football League Championship trophy has been ascertained, the Trophy shall be handed over to the winner who shall return the same to the Company at the League Office not later than3 weeks prior to the end of the next following Season, in good order and condition and in any event as soon as reasonably practicable following a request from the Board. It shall be the responsibility of the winning Club to arrange appropriate insurance cover for each trophy throughout the period when it is held by the Club." What if the leading club is 1 point ahead but the closest club has 5 games in hand? Is that covered by that rule? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, BlueThunder said: What if the leading club is 1 point ahead but the closest club has 5 games in hand? Is that covered? Yes, it would be at the board's discretion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,701 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: Do you think they have rules for every plausible scenario? Exactly!!! So your slavish devotion to “ah, but their rule book says.....” is out the window because something so utterly unforeseen renders it inadequate. Has the penny now dropped? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,123 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Give the league to the scum but no medals, no trophy and an asterisk in the history book, 9 for them starts next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollok-bear 7,537 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, The Dude said: You look at the right thing for a start. The SoSFL's stance on something 20 years ago bears no relevance to 2020 and how the SPFL handle this. They don't share a rulebook for one. U are a fucking taig cheerleader so u are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, Colin Traive said: Exactly!!! So your slavish devotion to “ah, but their rule book says.....” is out the window because something so utterly unforeseen renders it inadequate. Has the penny now dropped? No, they use general language which can be used in varying circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollok-bear 7,537 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: No, they use general language which can be used in varying circumstances. Coming in here with all your big words with nothing positive to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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