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9 minutes ago, backup said:

Fuck um

But it shows that Null and  Void  won’t be an option unfortunately, Association’s will get their arses sued from every direction 

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Great statement but I think we should leave it there for now our agenda is correct and clear. The taigs wont get their way without a fight.

This seems worse than possibly imagined, football is on the back burner now big time.

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12 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said:

Aye right! Might as well fish since there is no fucking football.

Nah, I prefer being the voice of sense and reason 

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What I was surprised (well, not really), was the speed at which the various news outlets up here were saying Football would be done for a few months. Even when the EPL were giving out the 4th April suspension date, STV & BBC were stating that the season was potentially already over..........they were either already in the know or were only too happy to put that spin on things. Hmmm.....

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Another SPFL rule is that all teams must play the same amount of home and away games - we haven't along with some others.  As mentioned before 38 games must be played to complete the season.

Back in season 1939/40 Rangers were top of the pile after 5 games when WW2 broke out, the league was abandoned and Rangers were awarded the Emergency League, but it didn't count and it would be 55 if it did.

Imagine it the Fenians were awarded the SP League, but it didn't count for 9 in a row.

Night night.

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45 minutes ago, James Rolle said:

If they do think differently, they are clinging to the hope that this ‘season definition’ gives them flexibility to end the season before 38 games have been completed. 

 "Season means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first league match in a season and ending on the date of the last league match in the same season or otherwise as determined by the board and which excludes the close season."
 

This rule simply allows the board to determine if the season has to end in the same season or not. However, rule C14 clearly enforces that teams will be entitled to 38 games in the season. 
 

“The clubs for the time being entitled in terms of these rules to participate in the Premiership shall, disregarding any abandoned or postponed matches, play in 38 league matches in any one season."

The  season definition cannot supersede this rule as it relates only to the ‘period of the year’ as to when the season ends - and only that can ‘‘otherwise be determined by the board’.   In order to have the flexibility to end the season and hand out honors after playing less than 38 games, there would have needed to be a part in rule C14 that included  “or otherwise as determined by the board’ as per the season definition rule. 
 

The SPFL do not have a leg to stand on if they think they can end the season now AND hand the title to celtic.  I’m not a lawyer but it’s a clear as day to me. 

 

 

As I've been saying all along.

The significant point you've missed is that if the definition DOES allow them to consider a season less than 38 games, then coronavirus issues or not rule c13  contradicts itself.

So even before there was a hint of games being postponed the apparent rule would be effectively perceived to be :

“The clubs for the time being entitled in terms of these rules to participate in the Premiership shall, disregarding any abandoned or postponed matches, play in 38 league matches in any one season of up to 38 games.

And that's clearly a nonsense, rules aren't written to contradict themselves from day one. Imo it's the false interpretation of the definition of "season"  that explains this being the case in this instance.

 

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The equal home and away matches has not been in force since this stupid split started. The only teams assured of 19 home and 19 away I believe are Rangers and them. Many teams have had 20 away matches.

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What actually amazes me is that with all the fuckers in the upper echelons of football authorities never thought of actually coming up with a universal rule regarding abandoned seasons.

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15 minutes ago, NeoGeo7 said:

What actually amazes me is that with all the fuckers in the upper echelons of football authorities never thought of actually coming up with a universal rule regarding abandoned seasons.

Stop making sense.

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1 hour ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Fuck um

But it shows that Null and  Void  won’t be an option unfortunately, Association’s will get their arses sued from every direction 

I don’t want to hijack another thread with this hypothetical shite until anybody knows for certain what’s gony happen

but if it went to court, surely it would come down to pure evidence, the league isn’t finished yet regarding final positions, how anybody can convince a judge to side with them on a presumption or probability would astonish me, it would kill me and I’d be crossing my toes if it was us 13 points in front of them that we got awarded the title but if it went the other way I’d accept the fact that it wasn’t mathematically impossible for anybody to catch us and just wouldn’t enjoy another chinkie again

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Honestly, I have come round to thinking if they want to do it, they probably can.

The only thing that will stop it will be public pressure or guidance from Uefa.

The rules are monumentally shite, and it all comes back to them being able to rip one up if it's impossible to complete, but then use the other rules as they see fit.

Hopefully this would be something a lawyer could target and say the rules are not fit for purpose, but got no idea really.

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1 hour ago, Hutton2008 said:

I wonder if the journo has been reading what dude was posting?

 The SPFL rules that could hand celtic nine-in-a-row and send Hearts down to the Championship ByJonathan McFarlane
The SPFL board is set to face the thankless task of attempting to bring clarity to the chaos of the coronavirus shutdown.

The coronavirus shutdown means huge and unprecedented decisions lie ahead that will have deep-seated ramifications for the Scottish game. With 30 league matches on the board for most clubs so far and the prospect of a ball not being kicked until as late in the year as September, the SPFL board have the daunting task of aligning the rules, a sense of sporting integrity and serious financial considerations amid a pandemic situation that would have seemed unimaginable just three months ago.

The men and women on the board tasked with sailing the good ship Scottish football through choppy waters are Neil Doncaster (CEO), Murdoch MacLennan (Chairman), Karyn McCluskey (non-executive), Alan Burrows (Motherwell), Les Gray (Hamilton Academical), Stewart Robertson (Rangers), Ross McArthur (Dunfermline Athletic), Ewen Cameron (Alloa Athletic), Ken Ferguson (Brechin City) and Peter Davidson (Montrose).

They will have to use guidance delivered from UEFA on Tuesday alongside the rules of the SPFL to steer their decision-making process. A complex legal document that runs to 249 pages, many fans have been posting elements of its contents on social media to strengthen arguments about what they reckon the final decision should be. Scanning through this near impenetrable mix of legalese and erroneously capitalised words it's clear none of the most important section is in the 'Definitions and Interpretation' section, where the word season is defined clearly.

It posits: "Season means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first league match in a season and ending on the date of the last league match in the same season or otherwise as determined by the board and which excludes the close season."This rule appears to strengthen the argument that the season could be ended after 30 games with celtic declared winner and Hearts relegated given it stipulates that the end of the season is defined as the "last league match" or "as otherwise as determined by the board".

It appears to give the SPFL enough legal wiggle room to end the season at this stage should it be decided the season can't resume. Rule C38 further strengthens this case. It states: "The club occupying position one in the league at the end of a season shall be declared the champion club of the league and shall hold the "The Scottish Professional Football League Championship Trophy" until the next season's league competition is concluded."

Put simply, the SPFL board have the power to define at what point the season ends and when it does with the team placed first automatically declared champion. Whether such a decision will be accepted by clubs without legal challenge is another matter, with Hearts already intimating they would be looking to take action if they were relegated at this stage. Jambos and Rangers fans might be forgiven for reading this with a growing sense of unease but there is a sliver of hope in the form of rule C14.

It states: "The clubs for the time being entitled in terms of these rules to participate in the Premiership shall, disregarding any abandoned or postponed matches, play in 38 league matches in any one season." While this clearly defines a season as 38 matches, it could be superseded by the notion that the season is now determined as 30 games under the  "otherwise as determined by the Board" part of the season definition.

One directive doing the rounds on social media has been the following: "In the event that any matter or thing shall arise in relation to the Competition which is not provided for in these Regulations or if any conflict shall arise between a matter provided for in the Rules and these Regulations then the Board shall be entitled to make whatever arrangements and determinations and give such directions to Clubs/clubs as the Board shall think appropriate in order to ensure the efficient operation and completion of the Competition." This is rule 3.3 and specific to the Challenge Cup.

While it would appear to give the board carte blanche to make a title decision, no such rule can be found in relation to the Premiership. As with any legal document, the rules are subject to the contours of a legal argument and as such nobody can interpret with any certainty what will be the outcome based on what's in the rules and regulations of the SPFL. With no obvious answer to the many questions and potential perceived injustices, that could follow any decision, it seems a thankless decision sure to divide along tribal lines like no other issue before.

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6 hours ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

As some have pointed out UEFA  don’t allow clubs to take their home associations to court, although don’t suppose Budge cares about that.

The CAS stands above UEFA. So do FIFA.

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