Brubear 2,880 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, Paisley Blue Loyal said: Thought Hearts/Thistle could take this back to court if arbitration fails, How can that be so if findings of the tribunal are final and binding ? I think you are correct, I think it is now out of the courts for good. That is why the SPFL board see this as a good result. Giving evidence to a tribunal does not carry penalties for being economical with the information you release, whereas a court could charge you with contempt. SPFL board can now still keep some correspondences secret. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,461 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 If it shown that the Dundee vote was received at 16:48 the spfl are done. Also remember people is alot easier to get evidence electronically. Delete what u want it can all be retrieved by going to the service provider. Who must retain it by law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysblue 709 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Paisley Blue Loyal said: Thought Hearts/Thistle could take this back to court if arbitration fails, How can that be so if findings of the tribunal are final and binding ? Posted this earlier. Not what appears to be posted by journalists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoastbear 1,639 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Only guessing lads but ordinarily a chairman only has a casting vote in the event of a tie. Maybe in this format they dont have a vote so the other parties have to agree or it goes back to court . So on this basis it would be advantage Hertz and Thistle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy 730 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Brubear said: I think you are correct, I think it is now out of the courts for good. That is why the SPFL board see this as a good result. Giving evidence to a tribunal does not carry penalties for being economical with the information you release, whereas a court could charge you with contempt. SPFL board can now still keep some correspondences secret. Looking at it like that I can see why the SPFL will be happy, they only have to answer the questions posed without any risk of being charged with telling porkies. Bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,461 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, southcoastbear said: Only guessing lads but ordinarily a chairman only has a casting vote in the event of a tie. Maybe in this format they dont have a vote so the other parties have to agree or it goes back to court . So on this basis it would be advantage Hertz and Thistle There is no vote hearts and PT must be compensated appropriately or its back to court Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEFTONG 59,873 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howsitgoing 4,281 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The judge acknowledged that If Dundee vote was counted at the correct time then the rules added to spfl rule book wouldn’t of happened hence relegation wouldn’t of happened. He quoted that it needs more debate before he can reach a conclusion. I really don’t understand why our team can’t have the same argument even having their own litigation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Howsitgoing said: The judge acknowledged that If Dundee vote was counted at the correct time then the rules added to spfl rule book wouldn’t of happened hence relegation wouldn’t of happened. He quoted that it needs more debate before he can reach a conclusion. I really don’t understand why our team can’t have the same argument even having their own litigation. Between me and you without offending anyone Cowardly bastards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoastbear 1,639 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Paisley Blue Loyal said: So what’s the opinion of all the computer boffins on here regarding all the documents being brought into the open for the tribunal panel, Are files going to mysteriously disappear/be deleted or is it somewhat more complex than that ? Would have thought that Hertz QC would have asked the court for a forensic investigation of the SPFL computer system to be commissioned given how the SPFL have tried to muddy the waters around this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doron 118 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Sorry first post but will hold my nose and press on. Disclosure is the most powerful weapon that lawyers have in any court case. Don’t focus just on what’s there. Just as important is what isn’t there. They need detailed minutes of board meetings to justify the decision they took and why they did it. The need fully reasoned decisions there in black and white which clearly show why they took their decisions. If they can’t produce them and it seems they can’t they will be screwed. Everything has a time and date stamp these days. They can’t make board minutes up now. And the phone records. Especially if the spfl pay for the phones. Our dossier was a pleading essentially based on the info we had. There is much more to come out if this runs. They can only hide by stopping the process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Blue Loyal 11,058 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doron said: Sorry first post but will hold my nose and press on. Disclosure is the most powerful weapon that lawyers have in any court case. Don’t focus just on what’s there. Just as important is what isn’t there. They need detailed minutes of board meetings to justify the decision they took and why they did it. The need fully reasoned decisions there in black and white which clearly show why they took their decisions. If they can’t produce them and it seems they can’t they will be screwed. Everything has a time and date stamp these days. They can’t make board minutes up now. And the phone records. Especially if the spfl pay for the phones. Our dossier was a pleading essentially based on the info we had. There is much more to come out if this runs. They can only hide by stopping the process. As first posts go I like it 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 41,914 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Doron said: Sorry first post but will hold my nose and press on. Disclosure is the most powerful weapon that lawyers have in any court case. Don’t focus just on what’s there. Just as important is what isn’t there. They need detailed minutes of board meetings to justify the decision they took and why they did it. The need fully reasoned decisions there in black and white which clearly show why they took their decisions. If they can’t produce them and it seems they can’t they will be screwed. Everything has a time and date stamp these days. They can’t make board minutes up now. And the phone records. Especially if the spfl pay for the phones. Our dossier was a pleading essentially based on the info we had. There is much more to come out if this runs. They can only hide by stopping the process. Welcome. Not bad for a 1st post 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie_6 1,078 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, esquire8 said: SPFL welcoming any decision means they are fully prepared for it. Expect Mulraney to do the job Lawwell put him in for and blow this whole thing away. There not gona come out and say anything negative are they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 41,914 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fergie_6 said: There not gona come out and say anything negative are they. It's the SPFL. The amount of negative PR theyve came out with during this whole shit show has been unbelievable for a ruling league body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,186 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Howsitgoing said: Apparently it is the case that SPFL and Hearts/Thistle pick an arbiter each and then agree on a chairman. This fucking rag is so fenian minded that they can’t even report this correctly. There goes the magic word, "believes". In other words, they know fuck all, just guesswork. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,186 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 47 minutes ago, Doron said: Sorry first post but will hold my nose and press on. Disclosure is the most powerful weapon that lawyers have in any court case. Don’t focus just on what’s there. Just as important is what isn’t there. They need detailed minutes of board meetings to justify the decision they took and why they did it. The need fully reasoned decisions there in black and white which clearly show why they took their decisions. If they can’t produce them and it seems they can’t they will be screwed. Everything has a time and date stamp these days. They can’t make board minutes up now. And the phone records. Especially if the spfl pay for the phones. Our dossier was a pleading essentially based on the info we had. There is much more to come out if this runs. They can only hide by stopping the process. Good first post mate, hope you remembered to unhold your nose 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow argyle 1,093 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, bornabear said: There goes the magic word, "believes". In other words, they know fuck all, just guesswork. Likewise I understood the S.F.A. pick one panel member and hearts & thistle pick another, then both of those chosen individuals then select the 3rd and final member , who has a legal background. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,186 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, glasgow argyle said: Likewise I understood the S.F.A. pick one panel member and hearts & thistle pick another, then both of those chosen individuals then select the 3rd and final member , who has a legal background. That's how I see it mate. BNB is good when it comes to legal. Edit, misread that last bit, but stand by BNB being the one to put us right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Doron said: Sorry first post but will hold my nose and press on. Disclosure is the most powerful weapon that lawyers have in any court case. Don’t focus just on what’s there. Just as important is what isn’t there. They need detailed minutes of board meetings to justify the decision they took and why they did it. The need fully reasoned decisions there in black and white which clearly show why they took their decisions. If they can’t produce them and it seems they can’t they will be screwed. Everything has a time and date stamp these days. They can’t make board minutes up now. And the phone records. Especially if the spfl pay for the phones. Our dossier was a pleading essentially based on the info we had. There is much more to come out if this runs. They can only hide by stopping the process. Superb post mate 👍Makes you feel positive .Like it .Welcome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarzM 1,238 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 This will be swept under the carpet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoastbear 1,639 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Hamilton boss Brian Rice publicly back Hertz and thistle and well I think we all know what side Gray is on, playing both sides do people reckon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,880 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Doron said: Sorry first post but will hold my nose and press on. Disclosure is the most powerful weapon that lawyers have in any court case. Don’t focus just on what’s there. Just as important is what isn’t there. They need detailed minutes of board meetings to justify the decision they took and why they did it. The need fully reasoned decisions there in black and white which clearly show why they took their decisions. If they can’t produce them and it seems they can’t they will be screwed. Everything has a time and date stamp these days. They can’t make board minutes up now. And the phone records. Especially if the spfl pay for the phones. Our dossier was a pleading essentially based on the info we had. There is much more to come out if this runs. They can only hide by stopping the process. Welcome. I totally agree with your comments, my concern is one of authority to demand access to all the required documents and phone records. I am sure that is why Hearts and PT wanted it to go to court where they could have pushed for full disclosure. My fear is that the arbitration will declare certain sensitive records as outside the scope of the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,148 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Doron said: Sorry first post but will hold my nose and press on. Disclosure is the most powerful weapon that lawyers have in any court case. Don’t focus just on what’s there. Just as important is what isn’t there. They need detailed minutes of board meetings to justify the decision they took and why they did it. The need fully reasoned decisions there in black and white which clearly show why they took their decisions. If they can’t produce them and it seems they can’t they will be screwed. Everything has a time and date stamp these days. They can’t make board minutes up now. And the phone records. Especially if the spfl pay for the phones. Our dossier was a pleading essentially based on the info we had. There is much more to come out if this runs. They can only hide by stopping the process. Why would you hold your nose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amato 3,010 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Alwaysblue said: Isn't that only saying it can go back to Court if the arbitration panel don't reach a conclusion in time, rather than it can come to Court at the end of the process if one party is unhappy at the outcome? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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