Sweetheart 8,458 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: It hasn't been overturned though - and has actually been upheld by a court. Have they been punished by Fifa/Uefa for going to court? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Sweetheart said: Have they been punished by Fifa/Uefa for going to court? UEFA dont sit again until June 17th. Which court overturned it and declared the league null and void? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,615 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dickie1963 said: HJe parle un petit peu ausi Non. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,615 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Dude said: It hasn't been overturned though - and has actually been upheld by a court. Putain merde. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Putain merde. Hijo de puta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Dude said: UEFA dont sit again until June 17th. Which court overturned it and declared the league null and void? Thanks, I'm not sure where to look for the info on whether they have or are to be punished. I read somewhere in this thread that clubs had taken the leagues decision to court and had the judge rule that it was null and void. I thought it was the French. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 46 minutes ago, GersInCanada said: From todays Sunday Times ......... Scottish football’s capacity for self-harm remains remarkable, even during a global pandemic. The decision to declare the season over, crown celtic champions and move swiftly onto to the new TV deal with Sky was always going to cause collateral damage, riling Rangers and relegating Hearts for starters, but a small dose of common sense could have stopped it escalating into a full-scale civil war with potential sequels in the courts still to come. That is Hearts’ nuclear option if their latest stab at finding a consensus on reconstruction among Scotland’s 42 clubs fails to gather the required support this week, and all the indications are that it won’t come close to doing so. Too many turkeys would need to vote for Christmas for a proposed temporary move of three leagues of 14 for two seasons to be approved. Yet all of this could have been avoided if a principle, widely agreed as sensible by all in Scotland, had been adopted from the outset — that no club should be worse off as a result of what the insurance industry would consider an Act of God. Leadership was lacking. The proposal to sign off on the season should have been a simple one, that nobody would be relegated without completing their matches and nobody who merited promotion would be denied it. This could have been achieved with minimum fuss by promoting two clubs to the Premiership and relegating none, Sky have no problem with a 14-team top flight provided it still features four Old Firm games and retaining the Edinburgh derby would have been a welcome bonus. Dundee United clearly deserved to come up as runaway champions of the Championship and also promoting Inverness, four points clear in second place when the music stopped in March, would have added their Highland derby with Ross County to the viewing schedule. United and Inverness would have been replaced in the Championship by Falkirk and Raith Rovers, the top two in League One separated by a single point but four clear of the pack. Cove Rangers and Edinburgh City, the leaders in League Two and both ambitious, well-run outfits, would have been promoted into their places and replaced in the bottom tier by Brora Rangers and Kelty Hearts, winners of the Highland and Lowland Leagues respectively. Everybody rewarded, nobody punished. Job done. Instead, in their rush, the SPFL have harshly relegated Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer and created a mess that is now heading towards the courts, potentially creating another dimension of chaos as they strive to start next season on time. Ann Budge, after so much hard graft to bring Hearts back from the brink six years ago, repairing the ravages of the Vladimir Romanov era, now risks her legacy before handing the club over to the supporters, something she is set on despite a bid from Foster Gillett, the son of the former Liverpool owner George Gillett, last week. They have been sleepwalking towards the trap door all season and did little to suggest in a 1-0 defeat away to St Mirren in the final Premiership fixture before the lockdown that they would have avoided it. Money has been squandered and Budge had too much faith in Craig Levein to take care of the football side of things. Appointing Daniel Stendel was a strange choice, too, as Motherwell’s Stephen Robinson was clearly the manager required to avert relegation, given his knowledge of the Scottish scene and ability to work on a restricted budget. Stendel and Hearts have a bilateral break clause in their union, which would mean further tumult in personnel and strategy this summer. Hearts may have ultimately deserved to go down, but we will never know that for sure and to expel them — the word they insist upon using, with some justification — from the top flight during this crisis is not only unfair but also unwise. Their average attendance of 16,751 this season, a miserable one for their fans, is bettered only by celtic and Rangers and is higher than Hibs’ or Aberdeen’s. They also carry a large travelling support, which benefits other clubs financially. There are parallels with Rangers’ demotion to the bottom tier in 2012, after the SPFL rejected readmitting them following their administration and liquidation by a 10-1 vote. It took Rangers four years to reclaim their top flight status and it seemed to be on pause in this period, with standards slipping and budgets shrinking across the board before their return. Steven Pressley, who previously played for Rangers, Dundee United and celtic, as well as captaining Hearts and then managing Falkirk, says that Scotland’s clubs must see “the big picture” rather than focusing on narrow self-interest in the present crisis. “It’s beyond me the way the SPFL have acted during this period,” he said. “Their first port of call should have been to ensure the stability of all member clubs, especially those we consider to be major clubs. “Nobody should really lose in these circumstances. Yes, you can have the winners, celtic declared champions, that’s not a problem, but there can be no losers. “It has left them in a really difficult predicament because of the Hearts situation — a club that they had to protect. We’re all in agreement they have had a really poor season, nobody is arguing that point. Under normal circumstances, if they had gone down, nobody at Hearts would be complaining, I’m pretty sure about that, because there would be no grounds for it. “There hasn’t been any leadership about this, none whatsoever. It’s almost an administrative role at times, but when you get a crisis like this you find out about true leaders and wow, we have lacked that in that organisation. “Whether you agreed or disagreed with the decision, when Rangers were demoted the effect it had on our game was incredible. “The standard in the Premiership during the four years Rangers were out of it, and we also lost Hearts and Hibs from it, was the lowest ebb in the history of Scottish football, the lowest standard in the top flight. “We have to be careful. We haven’t got that many clubs that get in excess of 15,000 fans every week and we have to protect that. “It would be so irresponsible for our clubs to allow this to happen, so irresponsible.” He also acknowledges that Hearts have to accept responsibility for their predicament and learn lessons. “This will be a big summer, with Craig moving on,” Pressley, who spent eight years at Hearts from 1998 to 2006, said. “They have invested heavily and a big part is the recruitment of players and how they go about it. Once Ann knows the future, in terms of which division, because that will have a big effect on the direction of the club. As I experienced at Falkirk, when they were down there with no money, the real saviour of the club was the academy. “It might be similar for Hearts, especially now when finance in football is in quite a precarious position. “They have a really good academy there and they should be leaning on that more than they are at the moment.” Another great article ,but like the other nail on the head atrticles in the last week or so it’s a case of ,Where were they weeks ago when the content was still relevant ,most of the facts were known then . Instead of more articles like this drip dripping out now after the horse has bolted its time somebody in the MSM grew a set of balls and actually called things out for what they are ,There is a monopoly of control in this country from one man and it isn’t Doncaster ,If they don’t have the courage for that then at very least they need to be exposing Doncaster as the CEO as completely incompetent and his time is up , With drip drip that the tarriers as well as us need games in front of fans surely this exposes Lieswells plan on being handed a title as a serious own goal .Playing out the remaining fixtures behind closed doors early August would still have likely have given them the title and a title with credibility,Next season would have had less closed doors games bringing more cash into the game and the 10m needed paid back to TV would not have been a factor The only good these articles do is expose the incompetence and put pressure on for regime change ,The clowns who put the game in this position surely can’t be trusted to get us out of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Sweetheart said: Thanks, I'm not sure where to look for the info on whether they have or are to be punished. I read somewhere in this thread that clubs had taken the leagues decision to court and had the judge rule it was null and void. I thought it was the French. You can find tangentially linked academic papers related to Scottish football's TV deal and distill 200+ pages into a sentence or two (innaccurately mind you) but can't find a news story reporting whether clubs have been punished by UEFA or the outcome of a court case? Lyon took it to court in France. Court backed the league having the authority to end the season and declare positions. Lyon are now taking it to France's highest court. Cambuur Leeuwarden and De Graafschap took the dutch league to court over their competency to end the season and deny them promotion. Court found the League has the authority to end the season and deny them promotion. So far, it's 0 for 2 in court cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: You can find tangentially linked academic papers related to Scottish football's TV deal and distill 200+ pages into a sentence or two (innaccurately mind you) but can't find a news story reporting whether clubs have been punished by UEFA or the outcome of a court case? Lyon took it to court in France. Court backed the league having the authority to end the season and declare positions. Lyon are now taking it to France's highest court. Cambuur Leeuwarden and De Graafschap took the dutch league to court over their competency to end the season and deny them promotion. Court found the League has the authority to end the season and deny them promotion. So far, it's 0 for 2 in court cases. Awww Dude, I'm disappointed you were doing so well at being nice then had to have a go. Thanks for the info on the French clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,638 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 The headline of this thread should be altered slightly to ‘The SPFL (in) the process of fucking us over AGAIN’ ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Sweetheart said: Awww Dude, I'm disappointed you were doing so well at being nice then had to have a go. Thanks for the info on the French clubs. Had a go? Not at all, just correcting your error(s) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said: The headline of this thread should be altered slightly to ‘The SPFL (in) the process of fucking us over AGAIN’ ! It's looking that way, I'm dreading next season if the changes that need to be made don't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, The Dude said: You can find tangentially linked academic papers related to Scottish football's TV deal and distill 200+ pages into a sentence or two (innaccurately mind you) but can't find a news story reporting whether clubs have been punished by UEFA or the outcome of a court case? Lyon took it to court in France. Court backed the league having the authority to end the season and declare positions. Lyon are now taking it to France's highest court. Cambuur Leeuwarden and De Graafschap took the dutch league to court over their competency to end the season and deny them promotion. Court found the League has the authority to end the season and deny them promotion. So far, it's 0 for 2 in court cases. I think that you will find that in France Lyon were directed to another court which had the power to hear their arguements and make a decision. Case has yet to be heard. In Holland null and void was the route taken and that decision was upheld by the courts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkster 4,871 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, magic8ball said: Hearts have a very strong Masonic connection still ,Back when they went into admin and admin was held back long enough finish the season by about 3 minutes I was told by a well connected Jambo that it was a series of “hand shakes “ that assisted this Salmond was also involved too . So it’s highly likely that this money to support the lower leagues comes from a strong Masonic background so won’t be vetted by slant eyes Wait and see it will get knocked back and the generous Mulraney will end up sponsoring the lower leagues for 100k instead Cover your work brother Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said: The headline of this thread should be altered slightly to ‘The SPFL (in) the process of fucking us over AGAIN’ ! Fucking everybody over again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, GersInCanada said: I think that you will find that in France Lyon were directed to another court which had the power to hear their arguements and make a decision. Case has yet to be heard. In Holland null and void was the route taken and that decision was upheld by the courts. They were 'directed' that way as that's how the appeal process works. The administrative court dismissed their claim. Holland wasn't quite null and void. Ajax get the automatic CL space based on the result this season. All results still stand and AZ Alkmaar aren't happy because it means they missed ot on goal difference. If it was actually null and void there wouldn't be any arguments over one team finishing ahead of another on goal difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkster 4,871 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 All together now! Bonjour, bonjour, nous somme les garcon de Guillaume Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: They were 'directed' that way as that's how the appeal process works. The administrative court dismissed their claim. Holland wasn't quite null and void. Ajax get the automatic CL space based on the result this season. All results still stand and AZ Alkmaar aren't happy because it means they missed ot on goal difference. If it was actually null and void there wouldn't be any arguments over one team finishing ahead of another on goal difference. The Telegraph sort of disagrees with you. More or less says they were not in the right court. Court did reject their case as they had no jurisdiction. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/26/frances-league-1-row-goes-countrys-highest-administrative-court/ Holland was declared null and void. Needs translated (your browser will help there) https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1890268759/geen-kampioen-in-eredivisie-ajax-als-nummer-1-naar-champions-league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,638 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 24 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: It's looking that way, I'm dreading next season if the changes that need to be made don't happen. You and me both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, GersInCanada said: The Telegraph sort of disagrees with you. More or less says they were not in the right court. Court did reject their case as they had no jurisdiction. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/26/frances-league-1-row-goes-countrys-highest-administrative-court/ Holland was declared null and void. Needs translated (your browser will help there) https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1890268759/geen-kampioen-in-eredivisie-ajax-als-nummer-1-naar-champions-league Daily Mail reports it was 'thrown out' Agree the Dutch never awarded titles but if it was actually null and void, why are AZ complaining about goal difference denying then a CL group spot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: Daily Mail reports it was 'thrown out' Agree the Dutch never awarded titles but if it was actually null and void, why are AZ complaining about goal difference denying then a CL group spot? Just another click bait headline from tabloids who usually make their stories more emotive and less factual. In Holland the decision was made on 'sporting integrity' grounds but I agree that AZ had a point to make. A decision is made to null and void the season but UEFA want to know where various clubs are to be placed in their competitions next season. The group stage spot went to Ajax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, GersInCanada said: Just another click bait headline from tabloids who usually make their stories more emotive and less factual. In Holland the decision was made on 'sporting integrity' grounds but I agree that AZ had a point to make. A decision is made to null and void the season but UEFA want to know where various clubs are to be placed in their competitions next season. The group stage spot went to Ajax. It wasn't in a header (infact the entire thing wasn't even referenced in the header but was an article about restarting the EL and the state of play for the various teams.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoastbear 1,639 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 51 minutes ago, magic8ball said: Another great article Unfortunately wouldn't trust times content on Scottish football these days, after all did they no sign Spiers to write for them? Could be wrong, something rings a bell and it's no Quasimodo's YTS's face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, southcoastbear said: Unfortunately wouldn't trust times content on Scottish football these days, after all did they no sign Spiers to write for them? Could be wrong, something rings a bell and it's no Quasimodo's YTS's face. I am not going to say that you are wrong but to me it's just a case of more balanced reporting. Something that seems to be missing in Scotland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,638 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 48 minutes ago, magic8ball said: Fucking everybody over again Aye but all aimed at us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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