GersInCanada 7,775 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 We have just lived through one of the most blatantly corrupt votes in sporting history. Corrupt to the point that when the final vote was cast and it was not going the way of those who organised the vote they then, in full public view, set that vote aside, had a quiet word, and then allowed it to be resubmitted with the "right" answer several days after the vote was meant to close. Yet we are being castigated for asking for an independent inquiry into things. The chances of scum not being given the title are zero. Hearts are going to be relegated and simply must take legal action (FOH will fund it). Broadcasters may seek to recover monies. The litany of disasters is quite breathtaking and all down to one club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, bluenoz said: Where have you been? There has only been one agenda at play the entire time - to award celtic a title. You know that. They would rather pay back 10m than not declare a champion. The rest is semantics, played out in the media to brainwash the followers. All of their reasons are lies including n&v. n&v is feasible and the route the vast majority of leagues will eventually take should football not be possible. Trying to compare the Scottish league to England's course of action which is the most lucrative league on the planet is an argument that has no basis due to the extent of money. There is no integrity in awarding a title winner or relegation when 25% of games haven't been played. None whatsoever! The SPFL have said they don't have the funds to pay back the 10m., so who's going to pay it back? The champions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvd1873 7,133 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Paranoid but. Paranoid proddies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,193 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, GersInCanada said: We have just lived through one of the most blatantly corrupt votes in sporting history. Corrupt to the point that when the final vote was cast and it was not going the way of those who organised the vote they then, in full public view, set that vote aside, had a quiet word, and then allowed it to be resubmitted with the "right" answer several days after the vote was meant to close. Yet we are being castigated for asking for an independent inquiry into things. The chances of scum not being given the title are zero. Hearts are going to be relegated and simply must take legal action (FOH will fund it). Broadcasters may seek to recover monies. The litany of disasters is quite breathtaking and all down to one club. The Dundee moment was a national scandal and now everyone’s seemingly forgotten about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Essandoh said: The Dundee moment was a national scandal and now everyone’s seemingly forgotten about it I will not be surprised if it is later revisited in court. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumhoilann 6,712 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Essandoh said: The Dundee moment was a national scandal and now everyone’s seemingly forgotten about it Should go down in footballing history as the Dundee Swindle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
British_Empire 9,648 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, GersInCanada said: I will not be surprised if it is later revisited in court. I'd be amazed. This time next year Scottish football will have moved on, there won't be one mention of it in the media, out ex-players mouths in the press and airwaves (including ours) Scottish football will move on, they always do. The rat bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysblue 709 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: The SPFL have said they don't have the funds to pay back the 10m., so who's going to pay it back? The champions? You raise an interesting point that could be taken further. Leaving ourselves out of it, if Hearts take legal action (and I think they will), there could be another claim for loss of earnings of £3M upwards. Who is going to fund that. It wont be the "Champions". They may need all their money for other things!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannerall 25,935 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: You learn something every day. I noticed on that page a medal from Queen Victoria to both Imperial and Canadian forces for their duties. The wording blows their thinking about certain words out of the water. Course it does, in these PC times its easy for ignorant appeasers to not do their fundamental research. The Fenians were happy to use that term, their admirers are happy to use it, and the ignorant cellic minded hordes are happy to accept the term as part of their stolen culture. Yet they take umbrage when others use it. Always the victim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 12,989 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 40 minutes ago, bluenoz said: Where have you been? There has only been one agenda at play the entire time - to award celtic a title. You know that. They would rather pay back 10m than not declare a champion. The rest is semantics, played out in the media to brainwash the followers. All of their reasons are lies including n&v. n&v is feasible and the route the vast majority of leagues will eventually take should football not be possible. Trying to compare the Scottish league to England's course of action which is the most lucrative league on the planet is an argument that has no basis due to the extent of money. There is no integrity in awarding a title winner or relegation when 25% of games haven't been played. None whatsoever! Top post mate ..... now where the fuck is EJ. 🇬🇧 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,688 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: The SPFL have said they don't have the funds to pay back the 10m., so who's going to pay it back? The champions? The debt was purposefully hidden from the resolution and yet clubs still voted against an independent inquiry. Incredible. Scottish chairman's are really thick or really scared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,688 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bobby Hume said: Top post mate ..... now where the fuck is EJ. 🇬🇧 He's writing to UEFA. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvd1873 7,133 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 minute ago, bluenoz said: Scottish chairman's are really thick or really scared. Or in cahoots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,374 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 33 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: The SPFL have said they don't have the funds to pay back the 10m., so who's going to pay it back? The champions? It's getting taken out of next seasons tv money. Hasn't this been covered already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,374 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, bluenoz said: The debt was purposefully hidden from the resolution and yet clubs still voted against an independent inquiry. Incredible. Scottish chairman's are really thick or really scared. Think you've seen and heard plenty of evidence from the majority of Scottish chiefs this past month or so that they aren't the best businessmen or women around. Very easily hoodwinked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,193 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, esquire8 said: It's getting taken out of next seasons tv money. Hasn't this been covered already? Is that true? I’ve genuinely not read that anywhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,348 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, Blumhoilann said: Should go down in footballing history as the Dundee Swindle. The great Dundee swindle SPFL are pretty vacant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsleftboot 5,512 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 3 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said: Fair enough mate. Not sure Null and Void ever feasible financially. People really need to stop buying into this nonsensical rhetoric. It's being pushed by the SPFL and the cabal without foundation or evidence of any kind being presented. It's just typical of the cellick-minded. Doesn't matter what the truth is, they just keep saying the same things over and over again, everyone ends up believing the story and the truth is forgotten. Surely we've learned that by now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,374 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Null n void isn't what we should be demanding. The best way to keep sporting integrity is to go down the dutch route, call the league positions as they are so they aren't voided and clubs in them positions after that many games deserve to be there obviously. No need to scrub the entire season from the record books. Clubs don't get paid out the whole pot, just the % earned up until that point, rest of the pot goes back to the sponsors and tv. They've still been given matches that count with advertisements etc up until that point but clubs should not be paid out for a full season that never got completed. The teams finishing 1st should be awarded 1st place but not called champions and/or promoted. The teams finishing bottom should be called bottom but not relegated. All teams stay where they are next season which is equally fair to all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,374 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Essandoh said: Is that true? I’ve genuinely not read that anywhere That's what has been suggested along with how Sky will be getting the leagues sponsorship for pennies to stop further recriminations from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
British_Empire 9,648 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said: People really need to stop buying into this nonsensical rhetoric. It's being pushed by the SPFL and the cabal without foundation or evidence of any kind being presented. It's just typical of the cellick-minded. Doesn't matter what the truth is, they just keep saying the same things over and over again, everyone ends up believing the story and the truth is forgotten. Surely we've learned that by now? Especially when Doncaster said on BBC Scotland radio the other week sponsorship and TV money is in, banked and safe. His exact words. If there is indeed provisions in the contract that the shortfall comes out future monies, then fine. So be it. The clubs then cut their cloth accordingly for next season then in lieu of this. They were happy to do it before in 2012 until we got promoted in terms of a lesser TV deal and hundreds of thousands lost per year in ticket sales from us - so why not now, again, to maintain sporting integrity? that's rhetorical btw, I know the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,201 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Today's Daily mail, English edition , their chief sports writer's banner. I don't always agree with him btw., But I do here. Some of what he says, "Why PPG argument is fatally flawed" " A method of calculation so spectacularly shallow it does not take into account recent form, opposition, location, or any of the large number of external influences that contribute to a result" Gary " Neville, the apparent expert on everything, backtracking on a confidently asserted opinion made as recently as May 9. Three days later, asked about the issue again, he said " I don't believe relegation is fair on the PPG basis. I think if football is to be played, you have promotion and relegation, but to be relegated with 9 games to go, with so much at stake, it doesn't feel right to me, it feels unfair." " " Norwich, six points adrift of safety, have maintained public silence on the relegation issues ...... The club's executive probably thought that anything they said would be rebuffed as naked self interest and they would be right". " Worse would be for Norwich to be denied the chance of salvation across nine games, only to be replaced by a team who did not equal their achievements in reaching the Premier League across a 46 game season. ..... Leeds may top the Championship, but what can we guarantee ? not a lot, really . When the season was suspended they were on a great run of five straight wins. Yet before that, between December 14 and February 11, they won two league matches in 11. Leeds PPG value over the entire campaign is 1.92 - but during that two month blip, it was 0.90. So who is to say with certainty what Leeds would achieve in this final run ". " So why should Leeds be blithely handed 1.92 average " ( in the games outstanding). ________________ Contrast that, with keech and co. Totally different in every aspect of journalism. This is one of the reasons why I stay down here. Plus it's sunnier and warmer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,193 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 36 minutes ago, esquire8 said: Null n void isn't what we should be demanding. The best way to keep sporting integrity is to go down the dutch route, call the league positions as they are so they aren't voided and clubs in them positions after that many games deserve to be there obviously. No need to scrub the entire season from the record books. Clubs don't get paid out the whole pot, just the % earned up until that point, rest of the pot goes back to the sponsors and tv. They've still been given matches that count with advertisements etc up until that point but clubs should not be paid out for a full season that never got completed. The teams finishing 1st should be awarded 1st place but not called champions and/or promoted. The teams finishing bottom should be called bottom but not relegated. All teams stay where they are next season which is equally fair to all. Dutch football is seriously about 20 years ahead of Scottish football in every regard with how it’s run. We should aspire to their standards but any remote criticism of our game and you get absolute unrelated nonsense chucked back at you like that old tidbit: ”Scottish football has the highest attendance/ per capita” So fucking what? All that means is that the majority of Scottish football fans are complicit in the continued denigration of a football league that this country was once rightly proud of. Self-destruction by hate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,605 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 We also need to remember that null and void will go in the history book as such due to season 2019/20 league cup been won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,374 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 minute ago, KingKirk said: We also need to remember that null and void will go in the history book as such due to season 2019/20 league cup been won. A null n void league won't be whilst the league cup will be the only competition played in the history books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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