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  • 4 clubs have the best youth players in their training academies
  • Clubs have far too much money to buy forign players
  • Young English players collapseunder pressure, after big deal moves
  • Over paid
  • Derby can't compete with a team like Sunderland in the transfer market
  • half the clubs have foreign ownership
  • England is a 'super power' in world football, but have nothing to show for it bar a World Cup 40 years ago and a couple of U21 championships in the 80's.
  • The only great players coming through are Leroy Lita, Stuart Downing, Baines, Derbyshire...Walcott can't even get a game because there is about 3 foreign players in front of him, so he can't really develop imo.

Stil probably the best league in the world, but who's to say that when hardly anyone watches the Brazilian and Argentinian leagues, arguably the best 2 teams in the world ever?

The English team can't go on and progress like this. They will always be a big dissappointment unless something dramatic happens, culturally.

Compare this to Scotland in the Advocaat days, loads of money, loads of foriegn players, mince national team. Now, it's the complete opposite.

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I was watching a report on SSN about developing youth a couple of days ago.

Sir Trevor Brooking, who is head of youth development at the FA, was talking about how they have to get these youngsters at a young age and teach them the fundamentals of the game. That was all fine and well but he clearly defined youth as being 15/16 later on in the interview. 15/16 is too old to teach these kids the basic funsamentals of the game. Teams like Germany, Holland and at a younger age Serbia are so good technically because coaches get a hold of them at 8 years old and teach them how to play football then.

The other problem with the English national team is the need to always have big name players in the team and they often stick with what they have got for far too long.

If another football super power fails at a national tournament then they usually rebuild their squad and and bring in a number of the younger players from the lower age groups. England do that too, but they don't actually get playing time due to the older players who are desperate to cling onto their place in the sqaud.

How can a team who failed to win a tournament two years ago be automatically expected to win the next one two years later, when the team never changes?

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so many teams can afford to buy the cream of foreign talent, and that leaves the English boys playing second fiddle and not getting many games. They have to be the best of the best to even get a game.

If it continues the English players will increasingly see their future outwith the EPL, there is actually an opportunity there for us if we can attract some young english talent with the prospect of first team football AND champions league football.

Recently English players up here havent really had a look-in at the national squad but if things keep going the way they are then it is more likely that a successful england player could be playing north of the border

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The thing I love about being Scottish is having no expectations for the national teams.

1 - It saves all that rioting that goes on down there.

2 - It takes alot of pressure off the backs of the players.

3 - It makes winning that wee bit sweeter.

It's all well and good to be a good team and get in competitions. But when you think you're a good team and your not, the dissapointmant, dustruction and pressure is way too much.

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McLaren can't drop Lampard or Gerrard, even though all of McLaren's previous teams havn't played in the formation he plays now, to accomodate those 2 players.

He also relies too heavily on Rooney, not to mention the back line, putting arguably the best CH in England at right back (Carragher).

Teaching any really young player how to play the game is crucial, but the younger they are, the less life skills they learn but gain in football. Forcing kids to play football at <11 years old shouldn't be allowed imo. Most kids naturally develop their game, then they can start to pick more intense football training later in the childhood.

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so many teams can afford to buy the cream of foreign talent, and that leaves the English boys playing second fiddle and not getting many games. They have to be the best of the best to even get a game.

If it continues the English players will increasingly see their future outwith the EPL, there is actually an opportunity there for us if we can attract some young english talent with the prospect of first team football AND champions league football.

Recently English players up here havent really had a look-in at the national squad but if things keep going the way they are then it is more likely that a successful england player could be playing north of the border

I doubt that ben, mainly because of the money involved down there. Too little honour in football.

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so many teams can afford to buy the cream of foreign talent, and that leaves the English boys playing second fiddle and not getting many games. They have to be the best of the best to even get a game.

If it continues the English players will increasingly see their future outwith the EPL, there is actually an opportunity there for us if we can attract some young english talent with the prospect of first team football AND champions league football.

Recently English players up here havent really had a look-in at the national squad but if things keep going the way they are then it is more likely that a successful england player could be playing north of the border

I doubt that ben, mainly because of the money involved down there. Too little honour in football.

thats true, they would rather sit in the reserves on a high salary than come here, but I still think in terms of the young lads starting out we could attract some saleable assets

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The English team can't go on and progress like this. They will always be a big dissappointment unless something dramatic happens, culturally.

long may it continue :classier_than_pipeguy: lol

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Downing isn't a promising youth player either, he's now turned 23 and had one good season 2 years ago..

It's not really related but was just reading it there and it's a pretty interesting article about big Gary O'Conner's time in Moscow and the amount of money floating about over there too.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/sto...rticle_continue

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The other problem that The Premiership faces is that they might actually lose all the inetrest they have if they start restricting the number of foreigners that they bring in.

I mean honestly do you think people worldwide tune in to watch guys like Drogba, Ballack, Shevchenko, Giggs, Berbatov, Ronaldo, Torres, Essien, Tevez and Henry (until last year) or guys like Downing, Carrick, Defoe and Bent?

The Premiership needs these foreigners to keep the worldwide interest in their league to a premium, because Rooney, Gerrerad, Lampard, Lennon and say Owen aside English players are not exciting to watch.

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Fifa vice-president Jack Warner said he will battle to stop England hosting the 2018 World Cup.

His decision will be a blow to the Football Association, who were likely to plan a bid on the back of any change to the current selection procedures.

"If the World Cup were to go to Europe, I'm quite sure, with the English luck as it is, they won't get it," Warner told BBC World Service.

"There are moves to give it to England. I must fight that."

Warner, a member of the world football body's executive committee since 1983, added: "It will be Italy, Spain, or even France who will get the World Cup if it goes to Europe.

"Nobody in Europe likes England. England invented the sport but has never made any impact on world football.

Ouch. Way to truly cuss them bad :D

But didn't us Scots invent the game?

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Fifa vice-president Jack Warner said he will battle to stop England hosting the 2018 World Cup.

His decision will be a blow to the Football Association, who were likely to plan a bid on the back of any change to the current selection procedures.

"If the World Cup were to go to Europe, I'm quite sure, with the English luck as it is, they won't get it," Warner told BBC World Service.

"There are moves to give it to England. I must fight that."

Warner, a member of the world football body's executive committee since 1983, added: "It will be Italy, Spain, or even France who will get the World Cup if it goes to Europe.

"Nobody in Europe likes England. England invented the sport but has never made any impact on world football.

Ouch. Way to truly cuss them bad :D

But didn't us Scots invent the game?

Yes, technically. The english invented Football but played a kick and rush style and when Scotland and England met for the first time, Scotland displayed a style that was unheard of when they played a pass and move style.

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  • 4 clubs have the best youth players in their training academies
  • Clubs have far too much money to buy forign players
  • Young English players collapseunder pressure, after big deal moves
  • Over paid
  • Derby can't compete with a team like Sunderland in the transfer market
  • half the clubs have foreign ownership
  • England is a 'super power' in world football, but have nothing to show for it bar a World Cup 40 years ago and a couple of U21 championships in the 80's.
  • The only great players coming through are Leroy Lita, Stuart Downing, Baines, Derbyshire...Walcott can't even get a game because there is about 3 foreign players in front of him, so he can't really develop imo.

Stil probably the best league in the world, but who's to say that when hardly anyone watches the Brazilian and Argentinian leagues, arguably the best 2 teams in the world ever?

The English team can't go on and progress like this. They will always be a big dissappointment unless something dramatic happens, culturally.

Compare this to Scotland in the Advocaat days, loads of money, loads of foriegn players, mince national team. Now, it's the complete opposite.

They do have too much money, they should send some of it up to us to battle the manky hordes of tim for queen and country (tu)

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McLaren can't drop Lampard or Gerrard, even though all of McLaren's previous teams havn't played in the formation he plays now, to accomodate those 2 players.

He also relies too heavily on Rooney, not to mention the back line, putting arguably the best CH in England at right back (Carragher).

Teaching any really young player how to play the game is crucial, but the younger they are, the less life skills they learn but gain in football. Forcing kids to play football at <11 years old shouldn't be allowed imo. Most kids naturally develop their game, then they can start to pick more intense football training later in the childhood.

Carragher has retired from international football though McLaren is reportedly trying to talk him out of it.

The English Premiership could be seen as a sort of Harlem Globetrotters league. However we were probably pretty happy when our team contained the likes of Laudrup, Albertz and Gascoigne. The English national team performs in a mediocre way? No real change there then.

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