Tumshie 205 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 McCoists record before Smith came (including games as sub) 1983–84 47 games 20 goals 1984–85 38 games 18 goals 1985–86 40 games 27 goals 1986–87 56 games 38 goals 1987–88 53 games 42 goals 1988–89 33 games 18 goals 1989–90 40 games 18 goals 1990–91 36 games 18 goals These included goals in every single season against Celtic. In 1989/90 he broke the record for most goals in the Scottish Premier Division and Rangers post war goalscoring record Countless goals in Europe and in cup finals (including a hat trick against Celtic) Comparing McCoist to Boyd is laughable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 McCoists record before Smith came (including games as sub) 1983–84 47 games 20 goals 1984–85 38 games 18 goals 1985–86 40 games 27 goals 1986–87 56 games 38 goals 1987–88 53 games 42 goals 1988–89 33 games 18 goals 1989–90 40 games 18 goals 1990–91 36 games 18 goals These included goals in every single season against Celtic. In 1989/90 he broke the record for most goals in the Scottish Premier Division and Rangers post war goalscoring record Countless goals in Europe and in cup finals (including a hat trick against Celtic) Comparing McCoist to Boyd is laughable Currently yes, but in theory Boyd still has plenty of years left in him to reach those kind of records. If anyone can do it he can, but it all depends on if he's got a long term future here and if he starts getting better with age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoist355 4 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 McCoists record before Smith came (including games as sub) 1983–84 47 games 20 goals 1984–85 38 games 18 goals 1985–86 40 games 27 goals 1986–87 56 games 38 goals 1987–88 53 games 42 goals 1988–89 33 games 18 goals 1989–90 40 games 18 goals 1990–91 36 games 18 goals These included goals in every single season against Celtic. In 1989/90 he broke the record for most goals in the Scottish Premier Division and Rangers post war goalscoring record Countless goals in Europe and in cup finals (including a hat trick against Celtic) Comparing McCoist to Boyd is laughable The comparison is tempting because Boydy's come closest to McCoist since that time, but he's still nowhere near him IMO. Shows what a Legend Coisty was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 McCoists record before Smith came (including games as sub) 1983–84 47 games 20 goals 1984–85 38 games 18 goals 1985–86 40 games 27 goals 1986–87 56 games 38 goals 1987–88 53 games 42 goals 1988–89 33 games 18 goals 1989–90 40 games 18 goals 1990–91 36 games 18 goals These included goals in every single season against Celtic. In 1989/90 he broke the record for most goals in the Scottish Premier Division and Rangers post war goalscoring record Countless goals in Europe and in cup finals (including a hat trick against Celtic) Comparing McCoist to Boyd is laughable McCoist was here 8 years - Boyds first 3 year goal scoring record is better than McCoists first 3 years Ist season - 20 goals in 17 starts for Rangers in the second half of that season, ending it with a total of 37 goals for Rangers and Kilmarnock 07 44 app 26 goals 07 - 08 41 app 25 goals 08 - 09 46 app 31 goals McCoists first 3 years 65 goals - Boyd firts 3 full years 82! Also check out this goal. Comparision valid! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd 355 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 McCoist was here 8 years - Boyds first 3 year goal scoring record is better than McCoists first 3 years Ist season - 20 goals in 17 starts for Rangers in the second half of that season, ending it with a total of 37 goals for Rangers and Kilmarnock 07 44 app 26 goals 07 - 08 41 app 25 goals 08 - 09 46 app 31 goals McCoists first 3 years 65 goals - Boyd firts 3 full years 82! Also check out this goal. Comparision valid! That is a cracking goal from Boydy has to be said. Almost impossible strike with his weak foot on the volley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoist355 4 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 McCoist was here 8 years - Boyds first 3 year goal scoring record is better than McCoists first 3 years My fear for Boydy is - unless he drastically changes his body shape - he doesnt appear physically capable of athleticism (a few exceptions granted e.g. Hibs goal last season) This restricts the dimensions he can add to his game (heading prowess, speed, movement etc...) purely to getting better at holding the ball up To be honest though look at last season - Boydys no worse now, and yet last season he banged in 30odd goals. Currently, its a form thing more than anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOLUWDC 1 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Of course Boyd has scored some cracking goals too. The volleys against Partick Thistle and Dunfermline spring to mind plus the overhead kick against Hibs last season. The two goals in the video of Ally though were better than them all in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd 355 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 McCoist was here 8 years - Boyds first 3 year goal scoring record is better than McCoists first 3 years My fear for Boydy is - unless he drastically changes his body shape - he doesnt appear physically capable of athleticism (a few exceptions granted e.g. Hibs goal last season) This restricts the dimensions he can add to his game (heading prowess, speed, movement etc...) purely to getting better at holding the ball up To be honest though look at last season - Boydys no worse now, and yet last season he banged in 30odd goals. Currently, its a form thing more than anything. I'd add service to it as well to be honest. The way the midfield and strikers worked together is different now to then. (Modern to 90's). Service is poor to any of the strikers at the minute, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbm26896 995 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Younger members wont remeber Ally siiting on the bench for long spells, they also don't remember the amount of poor performances he put in for rangers and popped up with the winner - which we all praised him for at the time I am glad he stuck it out because he ended up being a legend What confuses me is how good a footballer he is made out to be, anyone who saw rangers during his time would never put footballing ability before his goalscoring ability Ally is a Rangers legend for his goalscoring not his footballing ability He is in my opinion a better all round player than Boyd - but I find it quite sad the criticism Boyd gets whenever the full team struggle against anyone My respect for Boyd is because of his goalscoring record - I don't think he is playing as badly as some on here make out - but all opinions are valid He certainly gets more stick on the internet than he gets at ibrox or any game I have been at Lets hope he regains his scoring form soon and we can all get to supporting the team instead of looking for a scapegoat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd 355 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Aye, decent point - a goal scorer is only as good as the goals he scores - but Superally also went through patches where the fans were on his back - contributed nothing unless he scored ! (oh and Ally only scored sitters from inside the 6 yeard box - well at least thats what HIS detractors then would have you believe!) If RM had been around then McCoist would have had his dedicated thread as well. I've said this many times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootSpeedKillLight 0 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I wish people could stop their teary eyed defence of Boyd as a 'scapegoat'. This is the Boyd thread, so naturally he's going to get some criticism as well as some praise. Regarding the point above about Boyd getting more abuse on the internet than they do at games - so does every player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Boyd would need at least a full year of sacrifices in his diet and leisure time in order to develop anything like top-level athleticism. Sadly, I doubt the willpower is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd 355 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Regarding the point above about Boyd getting more abuse on the internet than they do at games - so does every player. But this is a Boyd thread, so he's discussing how at games Boyd gets hardly any dogs abuse at all compared to t'internet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbm26896 995 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I wish people could stop their teary eyed defence of Boyd as a 'scapegoat'. This is the Boyd thread, so naturally he's going to get some criticism as well as some praise. [b]Regarding the point above about Boyd getting more abuse on the internet than they do at games - so does every player.[/b] my post has no defence of boyd - but he is a scapegoat for many on here i have no problem with justified criticism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc_no1fan 13 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Can we not just accept that Boyd is a poor footballer who will usually score goals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_1 1,136 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Talking about Boyds weight and body shape, imagine if he got a long term injury where he couldn't run or do any exercise. He would gain even more weight and would you expect him to regain match fitness? The whole time Boyds been here I am really struggling to remember any kind of injury Boyd has had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenDavis 112 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I'm up for a discussion. Should Boyd have started today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd 355 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I'm up for a discussion. Should Boyd have started today? I'd say so, aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,679 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I thought he looked a bit sharper today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlippinEck 3,701 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 We played for 60 minutes or so without Boyd today and still never improved dramatically... so obviously the problems lay further behind just Kris Boyd... but bar him getting into a couple of good scoring positions, we still didnt look like scoring... I genuinely believe we missed something in the middle of the park today, be that the apparently invisible Mendes or the off form Davis... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff 245 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I'm up for a discussion. Should Boyd have started today? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd 355 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I thought he looked a bit sharper today. So did i, wasn't quite the goal threat he normally is, but more so than the last few games. At least he got his head on a few crosses in the 6 yard box too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenDavis 112 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I'm up for a discussion. Should Boyd have started today? No. Why not? (Yeah, I just did it. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,435 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I'm up for a discussion. Should Boyd have started today? Yes, id start him most games, especially at home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 The problem with him is he isn't going to cause decent team's problems. He will do ok vs shite but he ain't really going to step it up against the better sides of the league on a consistent basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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