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I'm not getting my knickers in a twist, I'm trying to work out your ridiculous twisted logic. You said earlier that you believe Webo unconditionally that he was racially abused, then when the claims about Webo come out you say "if" and "may have" He never said negro, he said negru - it's an important distinction when all it is is the word in Romanian (his own country) that means black. Which is not racist. I'm not stopping you enjoying your dinner. Bon appetite. Just stop talking utter pish regards this.

"if" yet you said you believed Webo unconditionally earlier. Your words were something along the lines of "you believe him over anything you've got to say" - you've obviously meaning me. Despite the evidence for both slurs not really standing up to anything so far. Strange.

Absolute insanity that there's a racism investigation on the Romanian official's off the back of that - if what Barnes says there is true. Problem is, since it's high-profile - if UEFA throw it out with no case to answer or unproven you can just see the meltdowns from here. Barnes is being intelligent here because real, legitimate, genuine racism needs to be fought - not misunderstandings and hyperbole. It's the same argument with the SNP and their football hate bill - when you target everything with a scatter gun trying to cure/solve the problem you do a few things you make victims of innocent people, heighten the chances of missing out on genuine issues and also drive it underground/toughen the attitudes that you're trying to eradicate. He also stuck up for Liam Neeson too when Hollywood elite/liberals turned against him for similar reasons - namely the fact that Neeson was honest about it, took responsibility, admitted he felt ashamed and that's the best lesson someone can learn on a personal level. Maybe he just knows that stupid shit like this does the good fight against genuine racism no favours. If so he should be applauded.

Fair play to him but I've wondered about his state of mind for a while now tbh he probably enjoys this wee game. Tomorrow he'll be back to hating white folk again.

I'd rather not. The mood I'm in today will probably send me over the edge

I don't think it's been said anywhere else (that I've seen). When Sinsa Mihjlavoic (spelling) was at Lazio or Inter Milan and called Patrick Vieria a monkey he admitted to it but only because Vieria called him a gypsy first too. It won't matter in some folks eyes. Black folk are incapable of being racist - according to them. What it does do here though is puts a different slant on things. Something doesn't add up because the officials by saying this have, trying to defend themselves, basically inadvertently undermined their whole defence in the first instance and gave themselves motive to say something back to Webo. Either they are both as bad as each other or this Webo is a real piece of shit (racially abuses them first calling them gypsy's then plays victim card to even things up minute he hears black man). I honestly don't care if they hammer the both of them (if this is true) but it has to be both or nothing. I'm sick of racism coming from other directions and others constantly getting away with it (compared to white folk) - the hypocrisy and double standards annoys me as much as the genuine racism

Or you could consider that Webo thought he heard that, but the 4th official said Nuguru (whatever the spelling is) which is a word in his own Romanian language that sounds like negro and that's it's crossed wires instead of racism? That too logical for you or you want to just carry on being one of these oddballs that just sees racism everywhere regardless of the context?

Wit he's not said negro either. Are you just inventing stuff for a laugh?

I've literally never argued/said any of that. It's nothing like walking down the street, seeing a black guy and calling him negro The 4th official, in Romanian, used a word like Nurugu (or something close to that) which is literally translated black man in Romanian, but when spoken sounds like negro granted. He's not walked up to anyone and called them negro. That's the whole point.

I'd rather comment in every thread regarding this shite and try add something compared to you, who adds fuck-all across the whole forum apart from stupid comments or trolling. You're honesty a wee nyaff at times. You are trying to argue over the wrong thing too. I don't know if it's bad practice or not for a 4th official to not know everyone by name splattered across the dug outs. Maybe he should know and he's not done his homework, I'll happily go with that - my issue is simple, that irrespective of that, calling a black man black is not racist and doesn't merit teams walking off the pitch like an act of barbaric racism has occurred. If you think that's racist you're an utter spazzy.

No, the only thing you THINK you know is that it's professional to know their names. You have no idea how hard it might be, in the heat of the moment to know the names of everyone dotted about the dug out. He's a 4th official not the ref. It's not like it's a domestic competition where you see these guys and engage with them every week. As I just said, I can accept it if anyone thinks it's unprofessional but it's in no way racist to call a black man, a black man. If you disagree with that sentence then you're another that's lost the plot.

I don't know and neither do you. I don't know if I expect a 4th official who's only helping out to know the names of all the coaching staff on either side or bodies dotted about the dug out. Can agree it's maybe a bit unprofessional if he doesn't but that's where it starts and stops. Racism for calling a black man black is the issue.

But we're talking about the 4th official pointing out to the ref who he was and he didn't know his name.

That's exactly it. I think my first post on this was making the same point that if the whole world wasn't swept away in this hysteria and literally seeing racism everywhere and the momentums/bandwagons around it, then there could have been a calm conversation where the Romanian 4th official could have simply apologised if there was offence taken, but reassured that it's just another language and been picked up wrong - in other times (better times) both parties could have had a chuckle, shook hands and that was that. No chance of that in this current environment though. Depressing. The way things are, all this does is enhances racial tensions and makes things worse.

I was actually gonna make the point earlier that in other instances it could be quite complex because the word Negro is used loads in Spanish because it just translates to black. I've been in bars in Spain called Negro something or other, there's Spanish music record labels with Negro in it ... even Spanish football players called Negro ... all in-offensive, but if a non-Spaniard or Portugese called a black person negro then yeah, it's easy to assume he's trying to be offensive because it's not his native language and he has no need to use it in that context.

Because the word the 4th official used is something like Neguru (not the exact spelling but it's to that effect) which is Romanian for black person and when said it does sound like negro. I think it's a safe assumption to be honest he was using that word since it translates in his own language rather than just saying negro.

I probably get far too wrapped up in shite like this and BLM but it's something I feel strongly about when I see our freedoms being ripped away from us like this and the population being conditioned to comply with stuff that's just not right. The hypocrisy, brow beating, bullying and moving of the goalposts around it all is breath taking and the folk that buy into it and enable it/let it happen and pontificate about it I feel like I could honestly take a hammer to if give the chance. The world has lost it's marbles and gone to fuck. It's OK for folk from BLM, supporters of said, and BAME folk to talk about white priv, say in public not to use white owned businesses, John Barnes saying on his Twitter he hates white folk ... yet the minute a Romanian 4th official at a game, in the heat of the moment, when not knowing someone's name says the black man to point him out to the ref - then all hell breaks loose.

Yeah I would agree there's probably courses they go on in regards language to use, but whilst they won't say it's OK to refer to someone's skin colour (because of the can of worms that can open up) I'd be surprised if there's anything that says it's wrong to call a black/white person white or black. I don't think that would be in the framework of it. But watch it happen now. However common sense needs to prevail here. I honestly think if the black individual in question is reasonable and it's put to him regards the translation issue and he wasn't getting called a negro then common sense would come to the fore.

brilliant ... the identification maestro enabler, can't even use his own logic to identify whitey using his own strict criteria and with all the time in the world to do so but wants to blame a Romanian 4th official

Apparently there's deep rooted issues with that picture too. It's called white saviour. A white person isn't allowed to go to Africa to help them, without getting a hard time about it. Another part of the madness that the enables like Dennis there have allowed to mutate. EDIT - I bet that picture was took in South Carolina or something actually upon second inspection

I agree context is important but here's the context - it's a fact he's black. It's a fact that the folk Black Lives Matter and Black History Month represent, are black. So what's the problem?

You literally haven't. So what about Black lives matter and black history month then if calling them black isn't acceptable. You seem to keep avoiding this.

Sorry to take you out of context because most of that is fair enough post overall but c'mon he made a mistake by calling a black player, black? think about how ridiculous this has become and how we aid it. I've watched the clips of it there again and I can see the black guy is really upset, but you need to consider he's upset because he could have thought the Romanian official said negro without knowing the literal translation. Which I do actually appreciate and puts a different perspective on things. My issue isn't the confusion, I can see how it's happened, but the fall out that it's now wrong to call a black person black - considering they've got black power, black history month, black lives matter etc. That's ironic and sinister if that's the route we are now going down.

You have not provided one coherent response to anything I've asked. Yes I said them. Is that an offence too? you're too precious.

No you never because people were moving about and it's not as simple as saying "3rd one in from the left" or whatever. Can you answer my other question now that if it's wrong to refer to them as black, then by your own logic Black Lives Matter and Black History Month is redundant - correct? People like you, I'll repeat, as enablers are the problem.