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It was provided through MIH for a couple of years, but is now provided directly by the bank, I believe. I have never heard him say it is no longer available I would think it would be available if we ran out of cash....but in the current climate you never know It's the same facility. It was provided by Murray MHL Ltd in 2004, but in subsequent years there was not any mention of who provided it, so it can be assumed that it is from the bank now, rather than from a Murray company. I know he charged for the privilege, easy money for him. I wonder why he would change it as it doesn't seem like that much money to absorb into MIH.

Read the description of the song , and it does seem to be one song, in the article.

It was provided through MIH for a couple of years, but is now provided directly by the bank, I believe. I have never heard him say it is no longer available I would think it would be available if we ran out of cash....but in the current climate you never know

Does the credit facility the chaiman provided no longer exist ?

Exactly, the story is flawed, it does not tell us exactly what he was convicted for. Those 'dirty blighters' eedjits have a lot to answer for. I remember saying that at the time when they were being hailed as heroes....pair of idiots and there pathetic song (that we don't even sing) have brought us more bad publicity and scrutiny as a group of fans than anythign we have done ion years... If you want to start banning people from ibrox these morons should be long before some pissed up eejit singing in a car park

Any idea what other song it could have been ?

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.a...013988?UserKey= ublished: 06/01/2009 Why the hell did this guy admit to singing a Sectarian song, what a fecking moron........

It was down to his own arrogance that he felt he didn't need a Scottish person who knew the club on his management team. The same arrogance that saw a serious lack of preperation for his new job, especially as he knew for months that he was taking over

As I say I agree with you on this point. I think his card was marked on this instance quite well by the chairman, if only it was a regular occurrence over the last few years.....

Thats obviously a matter of opinion. Maybe so but you present half the story of the exchange, one that would paint the chaiman in a poor light. You would probably be better telling the full story next time. He used his media savvy well on this occasion and made Reid rush in and end up with egg on his face, like you (i would imagine) i wish he would use it more often. If the thread has been about the recent exchange between Murray and Reid then it would have been prudent to lead the whole story of the exchange. But it wasnt - its about their continual refusal to play by the rules, hence the subsequent comparisons. You misrepresented the exchange as part of your general point, anyway i agree with your general point, in this case, so it probably is of little consequence

So the only evidence, apart from the boyd signal over two years ago, is they talk to the press......next.....

Thats obviously a matter of opinion. Maybe so but you present half the story of the exchange, one that would paint the chaiman in a poor light. You would probably be better telling the full story next time. He used his media savvy well on this occasion and made Reid rush in and end up with egg on his face, like you (i would imagine) i wish he would use it more often.

Sorry bud but the last OF game showed that they ARE better - they won the game for Septic and winning games is what matters Did it show they were better in August...do we judge players on the one game... Brown will never be half the player Ferguson was/is....... ferguson didnt play against them in august I know.......

Not so bad, half of that could be gone by the end of Jan. So could sellck's lead in the league......

Sorry bud but the last OF game showed that they ARE better - they won the game for Septic and winning games is what matters Did it show they were better in August...do we judge players on the one game... Brown will never be half the player Ferguson was/is.......

Source??? His own, fairly troubled, mind by the looks of things.....

Nice to see the EX wife selling her story to the NOTW yesterday She cares so much she thought she would make a bit of money out of misery. Story of gazza's life be it his wife or various hangers on.

From memory Sir David released partial comments the first day, tempting Reid into the comments he made above, then Sir David expanded in the next days broadsheets laying into Reid with no reply. Without Doubt Sir David came off looking better than Reid in this exchange.

If you had heard the Chic young interview the quote came from you would have known it was a tounge in cheek answer.....

At the end of the day mate i know our supporters are no angels and we don't pretend otherwise. But i am just sick of hearing our support being criticised by fellow Rangers fans for everything and anything while ignoring the better aspects of our fantastic away fans. Every support in the world has songs which are close to the bone or downright insulting but that is the nature of football and will always be so. Yet Rangers are constantly the club who's fans are scrutinised for everything we sing as journalists examine the songs with a fine tooth comb hoping for some material that they can construe as being offensive. I am all for insulting the right people and that should be the filth at every turn, just don't see the point in this one....... No arguement from me about how good our away support is.

100% spot on......Scott brown a better player than Ferguson......top comedy

The with friends like these could just as easily be turned round the other way...... Any fan that travels to inverness during winter has my respect, i have done it myself many times. Far far more good than bad yesterday as far as the support are concerned.

Does not catch on? We've been singing this song for years, it's a particular favourite for the plane journey home from European games. Nothing wrong with celebrating our country's greatest military victory, The Battle of Britain. And for those who wonder how the Germans feel about hearing the song, how do you think the English feel when they hear FOS? Same rules apply. Aye that’s a valid comparison FOS and ten German bombers, please try and be serious (in saying that both songs being embarrassing dirges is a comparison I suppose) I am aware it’s being sung by a minority at European games for a short amount of time, to pretend that this song would be acceptable in germany . of all places, is laughable The people that sing this rubbish will no doubt cry when the club won’t defend us against media attacks. Some fans seem to be determined to make it impossible for the club to ever do so. Firstly, it is not an invalid comparison, i am being perfectly serious. Both songs tell of military victories and goad the defeated side. I can assure you that this song has been sung at European games for at least 15 years. Remember hearing it agster when watching the Gers away in Europe and have sung it myself. It is not a minority of fans either, i love how people always use that line almost to try and convince themselves that only some people sing a particular song. This song was sung in Bremen and Stuttgart last season and was taken by the German fans as banter. They gave as good as they got in that regard. Stop trying to feel offended for other people when they themselves are anythingbut offended, it makes you sound like a politician. Media attacks? Oh those completely justifiable attacks on such disgraceful, hate-filled, sectarian racist songs such as the Hokey Cokey, TFS, Rule Brittania and Derry's Walls. The continued lie that everything Rangers is sectarian while other supports are allowed to sing in praise of terrorists, mock the death of innocent football fans and use sectarian chants. Yes, i see your point, why should we ever expect the club to defend us against such allegations? What fools we are for wanting some parity. Where did I say I was offended, embarrassed maybe but not offended…… You ask me not to get offended on others behalf but you make presumptions about the Germans wanting to hear about the Second World War during a football match… Maybe they are as surprised as me that anyone would see a Rangers game as a platform for this rubbish sung by the lowest common denominator in the English support. I remember watching the panorama special after the German world cup where this was being sung by the English fans….the Germans didn’t seem to take it as “banter” then…….. What’s next shall we all recite exerts of Stan Boardman’s stand up about them bombing our chippies……. I think you, purposely, miss the point about the club defending the fans. I realise we sing about plenty that has nothing to do with football but this seems so out of place to me, if this is a way people think they are expressing there Brutishness they couldn’t be getting it more wrong

Does not catch on? We've been singing this song for years, it's a particular favourite for the plane journey home from European games. Nothing wrong with celebrating our country's greatest military victory, The Battle of Britain. And for those who wonder how the Germans feel about hearing the song, how do you think the English feel when they hear FOS? Same rules apply. Aye that’s a valid comparison FOS and ten German bombers, please try and be serious (in saying that both songs being embarrassing dirges is a comparison I suppose) I am aware it’s being sung by a minority at European games for a short amount of time, to pretend that this song would be acceptable in germany . of all places, is laughable The people that sing this rubbish will no doubt cry when the club won’t defend us against media attacks. Some fans seem to be determined to make it impossible for the club to ever do so.

Disliking singing pathetic england national team songs does not make you a tim. I hope this rubbish does not catch on.