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23 hours ago, Ger77 said:
I love it when we have a kid that has grown up watching Rangers and then goes on to play with the club. Let's face it, we would all have died happy to have been given a similar opportunity. I'm sure there will be many that the would suggest that such a player should be entitled to special treatment and be 'given a break' when their performances are poor and results likewise. Andy Halliday has grown up watching the team he supports being driven to success by skill, pride, commitment, hard work and a never ending no surrender team spirit. Should there be special treatment? Perhaps, but not for Andy Halliday and nor would he expect it. We are Rangers! Lift your head son, improve your performances quickly, get Rangers into the hearts of your teammates and help get us back to where we belong.
I like the fact we have a fan in a shirt too. Too many tourist players in football as a whole.
That said though, we would all love to do that job but it doesn't mean that we have the ability.
Halliday has all the heart we want to see in a player but he is limited in his ability. Firstly, he is a natural wide player playing in CM. He isn't going to get a game out wide as it doesn't tie in with our style of play and also because we have better wide players.
In the middle of the park he is left wanting on too many occasions for me. I know if he ever moved on it would be with a heavy heart but he isn't the level of player we need to take us back to the top - fan or no fan
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The theory of Warburton's style of play is lovely. The prospect us playing attractive football from the back excites me as much as I am sure it excites most supporters.
The difficulty though is that there are only a few clubs in the world who can consistently do this and achieve success without having to vary their tactics. Basically you are looking at sides like Barcelona who are filled to the gunnels with world class players - side's who's keepers are as comfortable on the ball as most team's midfielders.
The system worked for most of the first half of last season because we had markedly better and generally fitter players than most of the Championship. Another factor was that these sides didn't generally have the experience of lining up against a team that played in that way.
However, form the 2nd half of last season teams learned to play against us and to shut our system down. The alarm bells on that were already ringing loudly by the time we won the league and they have been screaming out all of this season. With the exception of the cup semi last season against the filth we have been found out in the majority of the "big" games we have played.
If Warburton thinks he can maintain this style with the existing group of players & get results he is delusional and that is a worry for us. Our quality of player is not and will not (at least in the foreseeable future) be at a level where we can play in this style.
I would love to say that we could have style and results but I don't think our current level of player allows for this. We need results and he needs to find a new way of getting these form the players we have just now
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7 hours ago, BLUEDIGNITY said:
Wee McCann in the rhebel today!
Rangers boss Mark Warburton's signing policy hasn't worked and Joe Garner looks like he's in the wrong movie reckons Neil McCann
The formers Gers winger says Warburton has to ditch his philosophy with them scraping past strugglers Partick Thistle and Dundee with last-gasp goals.
06:00, 29 NOV 2016
Rangers' Joe Garner is left frustrated at his side's failure to find a second goal
Neil McCann reckons the pressure is now on Mark Warburton to get it right in the January window with his summer signings failing to hit the heights.
And the Rangers Treble-winner believes the Ibrox boss must change his style of play to get the best out of £1.8million buy Joe Garner who “looks like he’s in the wrong movie”.
McCann says Warburton has to ditch his philosophy with Gers scraping past strugglers Partick Thistle and Dundee with last-gasp goals.
Next up is much tougher assignment at Hearts, another of McCann’s old clubs. And the 42-year-old,who spent five years at Ibrox, said: “Recruitment is massive and when you haven’t got loads to spend you need to make sure what you do spend is correct.
"It’s not worked because the boys haven’t made an impact on the pitch. It remains to be seen whether he is given some more. I’d imagine it’s moving people on to get people in.
“Far too many of the players haven’t had an impact on the pitch. Mark has to address that. His judgment has come under real scrutiny from upstairs and that’s a big problem.
“Joey Barton was an absolute disaster. Jordan Rossiter and Matt Crooks have been unlucky with injuries so you can’t point the finger at them.
“Philippe Senderos? What’s happened to him? Niko Kranjcar was nowhere near fit when he came from Cosmos.
“He was miles off the pace of the Scottish game. He was just starting to find it then he gets this horrible injury. The list goes on but Joe Garner is the big flagship signing.
“If you’re paying £1.8m on a player you have to say he’s the one who’ll make a difference.
“Look at Brendan Rodgers across the city. I know we’re talking different levels but it’s relative. They could afford Scott Sinclair but £1.8m is still a big outlay for Rangers and look at the difference in impact.
“Don’t spend all your money on someone you’ve then got to adapt to how you play. That’s where I’ve got a problem with it. There’s a guy playing through the middle that looks like he’s in the wrong movie.
Joe Garner reacts after missing a chance
“I’ve watched him at Preston, he scored all manner of goals and a lot of them were crosses into the box. He said himself he wasn’t used to this style of football. He looks like a guy who’s losing the knack of being a striker, of getting into the right areas.
“Michael O’Halloran looks like someone who operates in a structured formation playing wide right or maybe as a No.10.
“But the way Rangers move around all over the place affects him and Garner is the same.”
McCann knows Warburton faces a crucial run of games with Aberdeen, the Jambos and Celtic heading to Ibrox in December. The Sky Sports pundit said: “You can play this style of football and it’s pleasing on the eye at times. But for me it’s training football.
“Sometimes it looks like the player in possession looks confused, as though there’s no structure to the movement. Mark needs an ability to change how they play. He can go with a front two.
“It wouldn’t be as if he would be admitting defeat by changing tactics – it’s football.
“Pep Guardiola spoke about playing against Burnley and how he has to learn to deal with their up and at ’em style.
“It’s not like he’s bursting his philosophy. It’s finding a way of winning. There’s nothing wrong with going 4-5-1 in the next derby and being defensive because you know what Celtic are – expansive.
“If he’s mid-table it won’t be good enough, not with the budget he has at his disposal.”
McCann is spot on.
I've always thought he would be good in a management and coach role. He had a great brain as a player and his knowledge of the game is outstanding.
Garner signing has always been a bit of a baffling one when you look at our style & the level of investment - perhaps a bit of a panic buy? -
Ridiculous decision to suspend for 3 weeks - bearing in mind also this will be on FULL pay.
Really starting to see a number of chinks in the armour on Warburton's man management style here. He clearly has bitten off more than he can chew with JB.
This is a time when we need the best of our squad together and pushing in the same direction as we dwindle down the league but instead the club (& manager) is turning this into a circus which will only distract the players form the task in hand
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I agree re not stooping to their level but of much more importance is that we actually put a decent display on the park against them.
Time for the club to do our talking on the pitch
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I think there is some merit in raising the fact that only a smashed toilet made the news but the demand to ban them form Ibrox just makes them look daft.
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I think the signing of more "senior" players is as a result of a number of factors.
Firstly, I think in reviewing last season, the lack of experienced heads in the team meant that on occasion we were looking for leaders in the dressing room when things weren't going so well. Bringing guys like Barton, Hill, Krancjar in has added that dynamic.
Secondly, the manager has spoken a number of times recently about the current transfer market and the sums being spent down south and this will have had a significantly limiting effect on who we can bring in within our budget. We need battle-ready players to come in for our 1st season back in the top flight and our financial ability dictates that this will come form guys who are right at the start of their career (1st team career anyway) such as Rossiter and Jordan Thompson or players moving towards the latter stages of their career (Barton, etc).
Thirdly (and linked to the above), the expectation is that we are back in the top flight and will be challenging for the title. To do that we need players desperate to win titles. Guys like Barton, Krancjar have enjoyed high profile careers but have a pretty much empty drawer at home where the medals to reflect their career should be. This is a last chance for them to add some major trophies to their career record.
Fourthly, and again linked back to number 2, in signing older, high profile players we are further raising the profile of the club as a place where younger, hungry players will want to go if they are seeing guys like Barton going instead of playing in the EPL.
Fifthly, the manger will also be looking at what has worked in the SPL in recent times and the clubs we are up against. The likes of the Sheep have filled their squad with experienced journeymen which has seen them do well in the last couple of years and it would be foolish to ignore that. Some youngers players struggled with the physicality last season (Odouwa as an example) so it may be he feels the need to have more experience in the squad to protect younger players.
Personally, I think the balance is just about right within the squad in terms of the age range of players for the stage we are at. Over time I would absolutely like to see us in a position where we are producing our own younger players (or buying in younger players) but the aim just now is to make sure we come back with a bang and then look to kick on from there.
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He has been completely rejuvenated this season under Warburton and whilst he might not play as regular a role next season in the first xi, he will continue to have a massively positive effect on the dressing room.
hes an excellent pro and a great example to the younger players, not just as to what it takes to make it generally, but also what it takes to make it as a Ranger
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It has indeed but the journey is far from over. For us to be back we need to be back at the business end of the top league and we've yet to show we can take our place back there.
the end of this season has shown that we are by far not the finished article and that we need to strengthen.
hopefully we can do this and take our rightful place back at the top of the premier league
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Looking for 2 x spaces on a bus going from or via Dunfermline area for Sunday.
Any help would be appreciated!
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On 02/04/2016 at 6:34 PM, He's blue he's white said:
Who would you drop for Tuesday? IMO Ball should come into the team.
Both - they are horrific individually and as a pairing
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It would be great to see a scheme like this although hard to implement due to the nature of current [layer contracts.
Achieving something that rewards player performance as opposed to them merely turning up for a pya cheque would be a big step forward
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Hope his side get pumped - piss poor excuse for a footballer and a cunt of a guy
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Our ability to push on for the full 90 minutes is one of the major differences between us under Warburton than under McCoist. That goes down to fitness in large part and a desire to win that seemed completely lacking last year in particular.
That said, I would much rather see us put the game to bed earlier than we have in the recent games!
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There are arguably only about 5 or 6 clubs in the world (Barca, Bayern, R Madrid and 2-3 clubs in England) that are not "selling clubs", ie, where each player does not have a price that woudl be accepted for their players.
Especially since the post-Bosman era, players are a commodity and commodities will be traded.
We are much lower down the football foodchain than we once were - partly due to previous financial mis-management and partly due to the gulf created by our lack of TV revenue versus the major European league's getting great TV contracts.
That means, like it or not, that every player will have their price, be it Wagge, Tav, etc.
Our financial position is by no means secure in the long term given that we are surviving on loans and will be for the foreseeable future until a share issue comes along (and even then the share issue will have to cover the cost of the loans already granted). That makes us even more susceptible to bids from other clubs.
The FM-style level of values that we place on our players isn't going to be what their true value is to the club as well. We have to remember where we are as a club and also the level of player we currently have on our books. Whilst is it far better than what we had over the year or 2 before, there are no Messi's or Ronaldo's in our current squad and the price at which we sell will be reflective of this.
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Will be good to see the return of the failures to Ibrox.and even better to see us put them to the sword
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Seems the old sporting integrity appetitie has diminished significantly now that the harsh reality of turning on our club has well and truly bitten into the finances of the other clubs
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Good to see this has gone down well and yes, it is Watermans paying the cost and not Waggy...and not through an EBT either!
It came on the back of Andy Murray doing a donation for aces so can't take credit for the novel ideal
I'm hoping a few other kit sponsrors will follow our lead and do the same to help the foundation
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I reckon no based purely on his playing ability. I' don't think we shoudo have re signed him in the first place.
One thing that we don't see though is what he is like off the park. It may be that Warburton would have a Eustace type role for him as a senior pro.
I'll like to hope we can bolster the front line in January or the summer though as , for me, both Miller and Clark are not good enough
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I took my wife to her one and only game of football at our last game of the season in 2012/13 against Berwick at Ibrox.
Game was terrible although we did win 1-0 and it was the first step on "the journey"I only took her as she was pregnant at the time and I wanted to ensure Rangers were in my first born's blood!
The wife hasn't been asked back and no further plans to do so
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Sorry for your loss Gogzy
Rip
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Club should not take on any additional overhead until it is running in the black. Folks were saying that we needed to sell merchandise at the airport (as well as in Belfast) and those ventures did not pan out too well.
I think that is a little short sighted Hoosier
Retail shops in expensive rental areas like airports are one thing. However, as the OP pointed out, the pubs around Ibrox on Match days (and even away days) are very busy and will make good profits from that. If it was properly assessed as a good income stream then it could provide a useful income stream to get us back in the black more quickly
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I think the interviews were a fair assessment. It is a very new squad and facing more challenging ties takes a bit of time.
The frustration for me last night is that we were undone in exactly the same way that we were exposed at points durign the game against Dumbarton on Saturday. I watched that thinking that if we wereup against better opposition we would be hurt and that came to pss last night.
It will be interesting to see the reaction form the players to our first set-back
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There are only about 5 clubs in the world now that aren't selling clubs and we are not (and never will be) one of them so every player will be sold if the right bid came in for them at the right time.
The filth have made great financial progress in recent years by brining in players for relatively low fees and then selling them on at considerable profit (Forster, van Dijk, etc). We will be looking to emulate that to some extent.
Tav, et al, who have joined here have joined with the promise of being able to further their careers. For some that may be in the long haul at Ibrox in getting us back to the top of Scottish football and ideally in the CL, but for others, it will be a shorter stay here with the hope of getting a move back to top flight or top end championship football.
We cannot live under the illusion that any player is not for sale at any price. The main thing is that if and when we do sell players, that we replace them with similar up and coming talent who will offer further sell on value so that we are continually re-investing in our team
Stating the obvious - We need to defend.
in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom
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Warburton seemed to put on emphasis on defence both in terms of recruitment and game preparation.
Recruitment wise we signed Danny Wilson and Bombscare Bob Kiernan (adding Hill & the eternally pish Senderos this season) and got rid of a fairly solid performer in Darren McGregor who, for me, was no Franco Baresi, but much better than what we have presently
In training, there has clearly been no focus as we have been un-done with the same issues all the time - conceding weak goals at set pieces, lack of concentration and communication across the back line.
Every successful Rangers team has had a solid back line as it's foundation and we will continue to struggle, as we did again last night, until we have both the right personnel and right coaching for our defence.