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Understand that. I'd also like to see a breakdown of non-operating costs of c.£16m. Seems extremely high to me. Given that the management and board are clearly being too generously compensated why can't we all agree that it requires more transparency and more "heavyweight" finance guys on the board? Doesn't need to be an US and THEM argument which seems to be going on. Just some proper financial controls, executives paid at a less "generous" rate and a review of the management team salary. I'd be surprised if Terry Butcher was getting more than £100k at Inverness for example - we're paying £2.2m+ for our senior football management team. Farcical.

No but i think a groundsman gets paid £15k per year, someone in the ticket office £10k. Unless we hired an extra couple of hundred people that figure seems extremely high to me.

Boss - this is where I'm confused. £17.8m of staff costs minus £7.8m of player costs = £10m on mgt and board. We know the mgt team are being paid way too much (c.£2.2m for the 3) but that leaves c.£7m going out via the board / owners???? For what??? Without these guys taking exorbitant bonuses and salaries the accounts would be ok - but they are. Why is everyone happy with this?

Don't understand the optimism guys when we have over £10m of staff costs not related to playing staff. Assuming Mccoist and his team are being paid (criminally) c.£2.2m thats best part of £7m being taken out of the club by the board/owners??? Am i missing something obvious?

We sold a 28yr old CH who was in his last year of contract and didn't want to be here. We'd be signing a 28yr old centre half on a 4yr deal for c. £3m. From all accounts this lad is top drawer and if we got him around that price our spending would be roughly:- £3m Juhasz £1.5m Wallace £0.5m Goian £0.4m Ortiz £5.4m Ins £1.7m Boogie £0.9m Adam £2.6m Outs So even with Juhasz we'd only have spent net £2.8m to £3m. I'd imagine leaving us funds for 2 more decent signings - a striker and a left winger if Whyte's noises about front loading investment are genuine.

Did you see our defending last season? We were extremely suspect at times and all good sides have been built from the back (unless you're Barca). I'd be delighted if we signed Juhasz (and sold Broadfoot). We'd then have Whittaker/Bartley who could play right back, Juhasz/Bartley/Goian/Weir for centre half and Papac/Wallace for right back. We then need a left winger and a striker (assuming Bedoya and McKay come in to freshen up MF). Even with £3.5m on Juhasz we'll only have spent about £2.5m NET so should have plenty of room for another couple of signings or perhaps Ally has some good loans lined up from the EPL once squads are announced.

Hi mate - you seem to know the player. What kind of centre half is he and what qualities would you say he brought? Cheers GF

Go and meet the chairman of Den Haag. How much you looking for? 2.5m. Ok we're keen to get him an he wants to come but the max I can got to is 2.2m - I'll include a 15% sell on though. Do we have a deal? Or we could just send another fucking email!

It's not £10m - it's £20m i'm afraid. Our inability to land 3 or 4 first team level players has left our jacket on a shoogly peg in the CL. We can still do it but we need a massive improvement.

I really want McCoist to be successful but he looks a wee bit lost. Last night it was as if he was waiting for Smith to come down from the stand and tell him the belated 75th minute sub to make. Granted we have a small squad but Wylde, Healy and Hemmings (who has pace and looked bright pre season) would all have offered more in the 2nd half than Edu last night. He was playing in a weird defensive inside right position in the 2nd half and all our attacks were coming down the left. Naismith is much better facing the goals rather than with his back to them - he should play on the right where he had lots of success last season. Ortiz looks a good footballer but i think he'd more suited to a central mid role. He has a good touch, movement and a bit of composure (like the anti-Edu). Wylde and Lafferty provided the pace in our team toward the end of last season. Wylde must play untill we've signed anyone else with pace.

Does Goodwillie play bass? Cuellar or Juhasz, DGW, a Kevin Thomson type CM and a left winger and i'll be delighted.

Or Davie "Clydebank" Cooper. Or Bobby "Shettleston Juniors" Russell. Or Tommy "Kilmarnock" McLean etc etc.... I've not see enough of Davidson to make a call myself. However like DBBTB - i did suggest on another thread that McInnes and The Boss are best mates (he was also a pretty accomplished midfielder himself) and i'm sure he'd be giving Mr McCoist good advice on the lad. If both of these guys think he's a player then they're better judges than almost all of us on here to be fair.

8 out of 10. 4 and 8.

Good signing - left back who can play left midfield. Much better going forward than The Papac. It's a bit pricey given the contract situ but he's only 23 and will improve. Best Scottish LB around so makes sense. Think we must be pretty confident of getting Goodwillie if we've not upped the bid for Miller. Would have liked Miller back but i'd rather have GW if it was a choice between two.

Everyone involved in the mgt of the club want to sign players but it's proving difficult. Clubs and players are early in their pre-seasons and all holding out to see if there is a better deal out there. That's why so much business usually happens in the last couple of days of the window. We've resigned key assets and had bids accepted for terrific players lime Cuellar - let's give them a bit of space to get the job done.

I'd rather we spent our cash on maybe 3 players - and got the deals done than trying to spread money over 6 or 7 people. Malmo is our biggest game of the first half of the season - if we get through this and the next round we're £20m better off. We need to push the boat out a little to secure the players we want before the deadline. (I'm happy we are being more circumspect in our offers for players). We can get 3 or 4 loans in when the EPL squads are announced on seriously reduced wages to help bulk out the squad. We're an attractive proposition for teams loaning I'd imagine given the positive impressions of Weiss, Bartley and EHD.

The littlest hobo is a Tim though isn't he? Lassie Loyal.

I'm also of a mind that he's trying to exert a bit of pressure on those above him to get the deals signed. Champions League revenue is now c.£20m so Mr Whyte should know how crucial qualification is.

I think we're all missing the real point here - was Orwell a prod? :-) Give the guy some peace. It makes a change from some of the crap spouted on here.

Fucks sake lads we're jut hitting July - can everyone stop rounding around in a circle whimpering? We're still in the game for our two key targets (cuellar and dgw) who would improve our first team IMO. Transfers these days are complex and very much in the players court. We also have the challenge of our season starting earlier than most Euro leagues when teams all wait till later in the window to start the transfer roundabout. Everyone who matters at the club know we need players in - let's give them a bit of time. I'd much rather we spent our money on 3 first team contenders with a few back-up loan players to cover any holes along with our improving youngsters. These kind of deals all usually happen in the last week or so (or after Epl squads are Nnounced)

I'm not particularly confident of the 3rd qualy round on the 26th July with our current squad:- GK's - we're ok McGregor Alexander DF's - are Boogie and Whittaker going to be here? We need some time to bed defenders in. Papac Whittaker???? Weir??? Boogie???? Broadfoot MF's - short on quality McCulloch Edu Davis Wylde Naismith Ness Hutton FW's - frightening if Jelavic picked up an injury, just frightening. Jelavic Lafferty Beattie Fleck We've got 15 genuine first team squad players. I'm not one to panic but the signs are pretty poor in terms of how we are going about transfer business so far. Questions:- Why haven't we signed up the likes of McGregor, Whittaker and Davis? Haven't we realised that unless we are prepared to offer decent wages we need to be shopping in the Eastern Europe/Scandanavian market rather than the Championship? How much we really want to secure that £20m from the CL this season?

Do you have his email address handy mate? I've got some reasoned comments that i'd like to pass on. Cheers

I don't like Advocaat - How about The Snowball Centre instead? I'd like to see either something like the Davie Cooper Academy or for us to seek naming rights from an appropriate company interested in youth development. Aren't Lloyds TSB a massive supporter of youth football? Or inspired by CB - how does the Training Centre for London Based Spivs and Speculators grab anyone?

I emailed my local MSP about this on Friday. I've also just sent off another email to several members of the Justice Committee and Kenny Macaskill (kenny.macaskill.msp@scottish.parliament.uk) Kev - hope you don't mind but I borrowed some of your letter content and edited it. I'd suggest that we all need to mobilise on this issue and get emails and letters off to your local MSP as soon as possible.

Good signing on a free and wouldn't be massive wages. We are crying out for at least 2 wide mids and we also want to allow Wylde to develop. There's no point spending a fortune on a guy for the left wing meaning Wylde will never get a look in - he could develop into a terrific player and we need to grow our own. Conway is a good proven performer at SPL level would supplement the squad well. This potential signing reminds me of when we signed Neil McCann. Started his career at a smaller club, moved to a top half SPL team (Dundee then Hearts for McCann), before moving onto the Gers despite supporting the wrong side as a boy. McCann went on to be a great signing for us. Won us the league at Parkhead and celebrated harder than any of us!