THE_Ibrox_Preacher

I cannae tell you whether or not to cash it but Forrest is lucky to be winning.

We're hoping for Boy in a Bentley 2.30 hunt. Edit - never watched it but am guessing it git pumped, awch well

Ano it got beat and you'll be raging but cheers for two taffs- i put it in a combo forecast wie poker school

too late in seeing it as per usual for me but good shout Mr Win

I noticed that too which if anything suggests that the image is indeed the result of it being one of the first results on a search of a stock images site (as I suggest before with Getty images). The Independent have at least cropped the image though so our name isn't featured and you wouldn't recognize Ibrox if you didn't know it.

All reasonable points you've made and I've touched on them all and share almost all of them I think in my previous posts. The picture being changed from colour to black and white tied into my theory of the picture being used for illustrative purposes, the other black and white photo's were for that reason unlike the picture of Crewe which was their stadium welcome sign, front and centre and in colour. So we differ in conclusion there. I think if someone can point out that if the author or whatever has a record of past digs against us or something then that would change things but in my mind there's reasonable doubt and we got a quick resolution including the removal of spurious claims in the comments about a deceased coach of ours that I never seen anyone request the removal of, I assume therefore the author took that upon himself. As some have said we do need to keep the eyes peeled because it's the fans that seem to be on top of these things not the club and if the last 4-5 years has taught us anything it's that there's plenty of punters doing their bit to try and put us out the game or at the very least trying to damage us.

There was no mention of us, no reference to Scotland, the paragraph the picture was alongside was about Crewe, Andy Woodward and quotes about how to tackle the issue going forward at a time allegations are surfacing down South. There's a black and white photo with a boy with a tear streaming down his face in the same piece but no one is saying that kids an actual victim. I understand why we are on our guard against even a whiff of some kind of shot aimed at our club considering the last 4-5 years but I've gave my own account of what I read/saw/did/think and it's mine alone, I don't know anyone at the site but the author is from York as far as I gather so I really can't say 'oh aye he's one of them'. I could be entirely wrong but I think I've did my bit on this and been fair/reasonable throughout.

I mentioned that particular individual in an earlier post and the removal of his/her statements including the one you reference.

I noticed that too, the guys took the picture down from the article, deleted the posts by some random slandering deceased John Chalmers and Rangers and rattled out an apology whereby he's mentioned the ground by name but not the club by name when saying it we nothing to do with the subject matter. I think there's strong reason to give the benefit of the doubt but others may disagree.

Both of these posts identified something I hadn't thought to do personally so to make sure I wasn't being overly fair I decided to check there just now. The image used was essentially this one: If you go to Getty Images (well-known stock photos) http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/ and type in the search facility "kids football" on the very first page at the bottom you'll find the image used. Assuming I'm right that this was the image used it has been altered to be black and white indicating that my previously posted theory as to why/how they might have used the image has seemingly some merit. This to me would suggest that they used the first image that came up looking like British football involving kids in the kind of setting being discussed at present. I stand to be corrected but out of all the images they have for ours to be on the first page of that search is evidence in the sites favour regarding innocence perhaps?!

That's what I was saying though, in illustrative terms I think the photo was used because it was a great photo of a huge traditional looking club stadium gazing over young kids playing organised football, not because they thought "stick Rangers in there". Now I could be wrong but I'm trying to be level headed and fair at a time when we're surrounded by publications and individuals with a penchant for slandering/disrupting our club. I added an edit above in my previous post when I had the chance to cite another reason I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. If someone else can say "he's rabid because of X, Y, Z" then I won't be arguing a defense, I'm only saying that the description of our club featuring alongside an article of this nature sounds a lot worse than the actual manner in which it featured and considering the current climate it's all too easy to conclude that it was a conscious, deliberate, blatant insinuation targeted at our club. I obviously found it questionable and did question it to those responsible as with others, I'm just trying to explain there are reasons to think this was not a deliberate/intended attack by the usual/regulars.

Without wishing to defend them (I do not know their motives) the images used of accused clubs were in colour with the clubs name front and centre, other images were used in a stock photo fashion, to give a visual representation of something, these were in black and white. There was an image of "faceless" kids playing football as the main picture as child abuse in football is the subject, there was an image showing a "faceless" someone distressed to highlight the pain/anguish caused to and experienced by the victims in such circumstances, and there was an image of "faceless" kids playing football with Ibrox in the background. I took that view that as a visual representation an image of small children playing football beneath the gaze of a huge traditional looking club ground intimated how a child could feel too small to speak out and expose those that abused them. We have to, however, consider that if a club is featured alongside others that have allegations made against them, in an article about child abuse, that it could infer to the minds of some that the club is involved with the subject matter. With this in mind, it would be entirely sensible to have a disclaimer beneath the photo explaining that the photograph was for illustrative purposes and the club is not implicated etc. etc, alternatively to explain/remove the photo. They have removed the photo overnight and featured an explanation/apology. Whether there is malice to their original inclusion of our ground in a photo or not is not for me to say, I have no knowledge of their track record but the article seemed entirely sensible about a serious subject and didn't strike me as being the ilk of known Rangers haters. The fact they acted quickly to address concerns is in their favour. [Edit] Something else I should mention as a matter of record; following the OP pointing out this incident to us all an assumed celtic fan in response to a Rangers fan (questioning the photo) outright accused deceased Rangers coach John Chalmers of sexually abusing children in his time at the club saying that he killed himself to avoid being exposed in a commencing investigation. There were other claims made if I remember correctly involving Torbett being at us before being at celtic. The site also removed these seemingly spurious allegations (of which there was multiple) made by this individual which is another factor I considered in my judgment that the site had no conscious interest in our club regarding this matter.

Too little, too late. Merely the latest move by the club to deflect that they walked into our current situation knowingly. I didn't expect to win the title this season but I expected our substructure from last season to have superstructure built upon it. 2nd and challenging should be where we are just now and we've been floundering since day one with seemingly no rhyme nor reason to it. They will win the treble this year in a season that we were meant to signal our rightful return and set out message of intent, we've gave everycunt another good laugh with the loudest yet to come! I will not be accepting flannel from anybody regarding our club and I won't be accepting our "Fergus McCann" years whereby the fans stump up and get shoveled shite in return as the money doesn't transpire to the pitch until 10 in a row looks likely!

Having seen this article last night it seemed like the image was used to show kids playing football where a club could be seen also, while there was no reference to us being involved there was no disclaimer/clarification as to why the image was used. When the other club was featured via photograph they were a club with allegations surrounding them and as such it's not inconceivable that someone could get the impression there was involvement of our club suggested/known. As such I contacted Miles Chambers (as others did, or they contacted Goal.com) asking that clarification/a-disclaimer should accompany the photograph or it should be removed. I checked this morning to see that the photograph has now been removed with the following explanation at the bottom of the article: "*An earlier version of the article had an image of children playing football with Ibrox in the background. The image has been removed. Goal apologises for any offence this caused, no implication between the club and the scandal was intended to be implied."

That's a huge gesture and I'd consider doing just that having the request for it coming from the opposition - they can't really win regardless of when the game is played.

Does look like regardless of the conflicting reports 5 out of the 81 on board is going to be the best it's going to get. Like yourself, I looked at the clearance of the trees etc in the photos and thought "jesus it's astonishing anyone has survived". I suppose though we shouldn't get too comfortable with thinking they have survived - there's sadly that possibility that some of those could deteriorate. The pictures and reports seemed positive last night as the plane looked fairly intact and there seemed to be news that it was a matter of getting the many survivors out, at this point though there are few miracles to be thankful for.

I do wonder how all these reports get mixed up as they made out he was basically unscathed. They seem to be sticking to 6 having survived, 1 journalist/3 plane crew/2 players. Fucking tragedy. (edit just to say that it's been changed to 5 which would make sense if they had been including the keeper)

UPDATE - Of the 6 confirmed survivors 1 died on the way to hospital only 5 now survive. Goalkeeper Danilo amazingly survived and was unhurt to the extent he called his wife from the scene. The Police Chief seems to be suggesting there will be few more survivors if any.

Latest news seems to backtrack on claims of "lots of survivors" and "13 survivors confirmed". My understanding is now that 6 people are confirmed to have survived, 2 players and an air stewardess as I mentioned above are among them. Rescue efforts have now been POSTPONED due to heavy rain.

I could be wrong but the second comment by BF2 touches on my reading of it; I think Hearts fans had identified that they needed some creative players if they were to get results as being a physical team wasn't enough and instead of doing that Hearts brought in more defensive physical players and continued to play with the same problems of last season. In a loose sense, it's a bit similar to ourselves in that we knew what we needed at the end of last season and we failed to address it and continue to play with the same issues.

I've watched Chapecoense a few times this season and even though their games tend to have a script it'll be interesting to see what happens in the games ahead with this wiping out their team. They made history by reaching the final of the Copa Sudamericana for the first time and with this happening the final has been suspended indefinitely. Maybe the club or the supporters groups can send them a wreath with condolences in what must be devastatingly tragic twist at a period of success/joy for the team and their supporters. When something happens to our club or players it's nice to see little tokens of respect from outwith our ranks and doing something for them is well within us?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? UPDATE is that there are now 13 confirmed survivors and the first ambulance to leave the scene was carrying survivor Alan Ruschel (on loan from Internacional). Goalkeeper Marcos Danilo Padilha and an air stewardess have been confirmed as having survived.

Word is only 6 survivors.

We need like a tips siren on this site sometimes.

2.40 Cheltenham Crosshue Boy 33/1 E/W It's last race looked to me to be going to plan, it looked strong in the race, up with the pace and looking at ease about it when brought down. Maybe this is tougher or just a run out to see it's got no issues as a result of being brought down by a faller but I said at the time this was one that was looking like winning was on the cards of the near future, I'd hate to think it was at 33/1 and I ignored it purely because it was at big odds. With that said I haven't researched this race inside out I only just saw that Crosshue Boy was running. Make of this what you like but putting it as an E/W (without 2 favs) in an otherwise likely double/treble with a small stake attached surely isn't a bad idea?!