THE_Ibrox_Preacher

Until the manager starts proving us wrong there is an air of Le Guen about this and before anyone harpoons me allow me to make the case;
After the first 2 months of last season, we played possession football in a manner that allowed teams to get back and defend as a back 10, as the season went on we struggled to even create chances never mind scoring. We were more direct today but generally you can say with certainty that this is a year long issue/trait. For all we raved about last season we achieved fewer points than Hearts, only finished 10 points ahead of 2nd and the Cup final and last 10-12 games of the season would have had a manager strung up in a normal year. Plan 'A' is attack a team to death leaving us open to the counter attack and putting a lot of pressure on our threadbare defense, the possession we have does not equate to goals and in turn Plan 'A' isn't fully functioning AND there appears to be no alternative/correction to it by the manager. Manager has not criticised financial backing from the board but never have we claimed to be challenging for a title with so little - I understand why money is tight but I never made the promise nor inferred that we're going for it. You can say he's happy, complicit, naive or whatever but 'value' doesn't need to mean free's from the Championship relegation zone it can mean someone at £1M who's a better defender than everyone at the club and who has a sell on value or potential to get even better (what we've got for the money is FANTASTIC and I see how it all could come together etc. etc. BUT we are lacking some genuine class/quality you can just rely on regardless of the weather/performance and that is an issue particularly in Defense.)  The manager said that getting our new players in early would make all the difference to starting the season as we'd be more prepared, sharp, fit etc. etc.; I'm calling bullshit on this one, take the blinkers off with regards to our wins against League 1 and below, we've been huffing out our arse in multiple positions and key players. Hamilton was used as a pre-season game and the proof of that is the players who failed to perform prior all started while the players we eventually brought on as subs were clearly sharp/fit/ready/better. Comments after the Hamilton game were deceitful (imo), bizarre and failing to acknowledge/recognise the truth. Today was again extended to Miller as a fitness/sharpness exercise - he could have wrapped up the game in the first half 2-3 times and I knew the fact that he didn't would make it hard for us in the second half ( I don't write him off like some on here as I know he'll be an asset BUT he's not meriting a starting place and it's playing with fire when we make it difficult for ourselves going forward already. Forrester should have been subbed and had he been sent off we were in trouble. When you combine it all there is a POSSIBLE naivety that some 'C' rate English players will stroll it up here, that we'll win with a 50% team/performance etc, that 'Plan A' will work, that no investment is needed to challenge - it's all just combining to possibly smack of that arrogance/naivety Le Guen had when he put Svensson at CB, struggled every week against the bread and butter, stuck to his style when it wasn't working.
Despite all these accumulated thoughts I don't think much needs to happen in order to see 3rd and 4th gears in our team and a strength that puts fear into teams, it's just concerning that we are sailing so close to the wind and appear entirely unconcerned without evidence to suggest that confidence is well founded. 
I should add for fairness that perhaps Crooks, Windass, Waghorn are all key and there will be another couple in this regard (new signings yet to be made) - it's easy then to see why we could look disjointed/lacking but I do feel we have more than enough to have savaged Hamilton and Dundee and we have not.

Until the manager starts proving us wrong there is an air of Le Guen about this and before anyone harpoons me allow me to make the case;
After the first 2 months of last season, we played possession football in a manner that allowed teams to get back and defend as a back 10, as the season went on we struggled to even create chances never mind scoring. We were more direct today but generally you can say with certainty that this is a year long issue/trait. For all we raved about last season we achieved fewer points than Hearts, only finished 10 points ahead of 2nd and the Cup final and last 10-12 games of the season would have had a manager strung up in a normal year. Plan 'A' is attack a team to death leaving us open to the counter attack and putting a lot of pressure on our threadbare defense, the possession we have does not equate to goals and in turn Plan 'A' isn't fully functioning AND there appears to be no alternative/correction to it by the manager. Manager has not criticised financial backing from the board but never have we claimed to be challenging for a title with so little - I understand why money is tight but I never made the promise nor inferred that we're going for it. You can say he's happy, complicit, naive or whatever but 'value' doesn't need to mean free's from the Championship relegation zone it can mean someone at £1M who's a better defender than everyone at the club and who has a sell on value or potential to get even better (what we've got for the money is FANTASTIC and I see how it all could come together etc. etc. BUT we are lacking some genuine class/quality you can just rely on regardless of the weather/performance and that is an issue particularly in Defense.)  The manager said that getting our new players in early would make all the difference to starting the season as we'd be more prepared, sharp, fit etc. etc.; I'm calling bullshit on this one, take the blinkers off with regards to our wins against League 1 and below, we've been huffing out our arse in multiple positions and key players. Hamilton was used as a pre-season game and the proof of that is the players who failed to perform prior all started while the players we eventually brought on as subs were clearly sharp/fit/ready/better. Comments after the Hamilton game were deceitful (imo), bizarre and failing to acknowledge/recognise the truth. Today was again extended to Miller as a fitness/sharpness exercise - he could have wrapped up the game in the first half 2-3 times and I knew the fact that he didn't would make it hard for us in the second half ( I don't write him off like some on here as I know he'll be an asset BUT he's not meriting a starting place and it's playing with fire when we make it difficult for ourselves going forward already. Forrester should have been subbed and had he been sent off we were in trouble. When you combine it all there is a POSSIBLE naivety that some 'C' rate English players will stroll it up here, that we'll win with a 50% team/performance etc, that 'Plan A' will work, that no investment is needed to challenge - it's all just combining to possibly smack of that arrogance/naivety Le Guen had when he put Svensson at CB, struggled every week against the bread and butter, stuck to his style when it wasn't working.
Despite all these accumulated thoughts I don't think much needs to happen in order to see 3rd and 4th gears in our team and a strength that puts fear into teams, it's just concerning that we are sailing so close to the wind and appear entirely unconcerned without evidence to suggest that confidence is well founded. 
I should add for fairness that perhaps Crooks, Windass, Waghorn are all key and there will be another couple in this regard (new signings yet to be made) - it's easy then to see why we could look disjointed/lacking but I do feel we have more than enough to have savaged Hamilton and Dundee and we have not.

Until the manager starts proving us wrong there is an air of Le Guen about this and before anyone harpoons me allow me to make the case;
After the first 2 months of last season, we played possession football in a manner that allowed teams to get back and defend as a back 10, as the season went on we struggled to even create chances never mind scoring. We were more direct today but generally you can say with certainty that this is a year long issue/trait. For all we raved about last season we achieved fewer points than Hearts, only finished 10 points ahead of 2nd and the Cup final and last 10-12 games of the season would have had a manager strung up in a normal year. Plan 'A' is attack a team to death leaving us open to the counter attack and putting a lot of pressure on our threadbare defense, the possession we have does not equate to goals and in turn Plan 'A' isn't fully functioning AND there appears to be no alternative/correction to it by the manager. Manager has not criticised financial backing from the board but never have we claimed to be challenging for a title with so little - I understand why money is tight but I never made the promise nor inferred that we're going for it. You can say he's happy, complicit, naive or whatever but 'value' doesn't need to mean free's from the Championship relegation zone it can mean someone at £1M who's a better defender than everyone at the club and who has a sell on value or potential to get even better (what we've got for the money is FANTASTIC and I see how it all could come together etc. etc. BUT we are lacking some genuine class/quality you can just rely on regardless of the weather/performance and that is an issue particularly in Defense.)  The manager said that getting our new players in early would make all the difference to starting the season as we'd be more prepared, sharp, fit etc. etc.; I'm calling bullshit on this one, take the blinkers off with regards to our wins against League 1 and below, we've been huffing out our arse in multiple positions and key players. Hamilton was used as a pre-season game and the proof of that is the players who failed to perform prior all started while the players we eventually brought on as subs were clearly sharp/fit/ready/better. Comments after the Hamilton game were deceitful (imo), bizarre and failing to acknowledge/recognise the truth. Today was again extended to Miller as a fitness/sharpness exercise - he could have wrapped up the game in the first half 2-3 times and I knew the fact that he didn't would make it hard for us in the second half ( I don't write him off like some on here as I know he'll be an asset BUT he's not meriting a starting place and it's playing with fire when we make it difficult for ourselves going forward already. Forrester should have been subbed and had he been sent off we were in trouble. When you combine it all there is a POSSIBLE naivety that some 'C' rate English players will stroll it up here, that we'll win with a 50% team/performance etc, that 'Plan A' will work, that no investment is needed to challenge - it's all just combining to possibly smack of that arrogance/naivety Le Guen had when he put Svensson at CB, struggled every week against the bread and butter, stuck to his style when it wasn't working.
Despite all these accumulated thoughts I don't think much needs to happen in order to see 3rd and 4th gears in our team and a strength that puts fear into teams, it's just concerning that we are sailing so close to the wind and appear entirely unconcerned without evidence to suggest that confidence is well founded. 
I should add for fairness that perhaps Crooks, Windass, Waghorn are all key and there will be another couple in this regard (new signings yet to be made) - it's easy then to see why we could look disjointed/lacking but I do feel we have more than enough to have savaged Hamilton and Dundee and we have not.

Until the manager starts proving us wrong there is an air of Le Guen about this and before anyone harpoons me allow me to make the case;
After the first 2 months of last season, we played possession football in a manner that allowed teams to get back and defend as a back 10, as the season went on we struggled to even create chances never mind scoring. We were more direct today but generally you can say with certainty that this is a year long issue/trait. For all we raved about last season we achieved fewer points than Hearts, only finished 10 points ahead of 2nd and the Cup final and last 10-12 games of the season would have had a manager strung up in a normal year. Plan 'A' is attack a team to death leaving us open to the counter attack and putting a lot of pressure on our threadbare defense, the possession we have does not equate to goals and in turn Plan 'A' isn't fully functioning AND there appears to be no alternative/correction to it by the manager. Manager has not criticised financial backing from the board but never have we claimed to be challenging for a title with so little - I understand why money is tight but I never made the promise nor inferred that we're going for it. You can say he's happy, complicit, naive or whatever but 'value' doesn't need to mean free's from the Championship relegation zone it can mean someone at £1M who's a better defender than everyone at the club and who has a sell on value or potential to get even better (what we've got for the money is FANTASTIC and I see how it all could come together etc. etc. BUT we are lacking some genuine class/quality you can just rely on regardless of the weather/performance and that is an issue particularly in Defense.)  The manager said that getting our new players in early would make all the difference to starting the season as we'd be more prepared, sharp, fit etc. etc.; I'm calling bullshit on this one, take the blinkers off with regards to our wins against League 1 and below, we've been huffing out our arse in multiple positions and key players. Hamilton was used as a pre-season game and the proof of that is the players who failed to perform prior all started while the players we eventually brought on as subs were clearly sharp/fit/ready/better. Comments after the Hamilton game were deceitful (imo), bizarre and failing to acknowledge/recognise the truth. Today was again extended to Miller as a fitness/sharpness exercise - he could have wrapped up the game in the first half 2-3 times and I knew the fact that he didn't would make it hard for us in the second half ( I don't write him off like some on here as I know he'll be an asset BUT he's not meriting a starting place and it's playing with fire when we make it difficult for ourselves going forward already. Forrester should have been subbed and had he been sent off we were in trouble. When you combine it all there is a POSSIBLE naivety that some 'C' rate English players will stroll it up here, that we'll win with a 50% team/performance etc, that 'Plan A' will work, that no investment is needed to challenge - it's all just combining to possibly smack of that arrogance/naivety Le Guen had when he put Svensson at CB, struggled every week against the bread and butter, stuck to his style when it wasn't working.
Despite all these accumulated thoughts I don't think much needs to happen in order to see 3rd and 4th gears in our team and a strength that puts fear into teams, it's just concerning that we are sailing so close to the wind and appear entirely unconcerned without evidence to suggest that confidence is well founded. 
I should add for fairness that perhaps Crooks, Windass, Waghorn are all key and there will be another couple in this regard (new signings yet to be made) - it's easy then to see why we could look disjointed/lacking but I do feel we have more than enough to have savaged Hamilton and Dundee and we have not.

Made that needlessly hard work.
Management has some fucking big questions to answer going forward.
Miller might be the best we have but he's not match sharp and our mantra the whole Summer was "It's good to get the new boys in early because we're more prepared, we're more ready" (not from where I've been sitting). I agreed with the team selection bar Miller, he's done nothing thus far to justify a place, yes he scored but he should have had a hat-trick just about in the first half.
O'Halloran should have been through the middle today and if it never worked out Miller or Dodoo could have came on (I'm a minority here but I think our best hope at carving teams open is a quick ball through for him to run on to).
Forrester should have been subbed when he was cruising for a red - he gets red carded and we'd have drawn that.
Defence is crying out for Amo, Weir, Cuellar, Bougherra, even BIG FUCKIN MARVIN- all bar the last would be out of our price bracket these days but by fuck we need a Marvin Andrews at the least or we'll lose goals to fuck all crosses into the box every week.
Considering our crossing/longball-ability we should have a target man or a CF that can score a header in a team cause if we aren't going to play quick through balls to O'Halloran/Miller/Dodoo we're on a hiding to nothing up front with tippy-tappy-allow-the-whole-team-to-get-back-and-defend stuff.
I thought we were more direct to be fair and I felt Halliday more than justified his start, glad to see Kranjcar on the bench because that's what he's worth until he proves otherwise (I think bringing him on against tired alamo teams is his game currently).
I could say more and it's not all on the negative side but I just feel we're seeing serious warning signs both in personnel and in management and against 2 bottom 6 teams we've looked like we'd be joining them more than a side pushing for the title. One way or another we're finding ways not to get out of 2nd gear and it'll cost us, I want to think that it's all part of a carefully crafted plan to try and limit Celtics spending and things like that but it could perhaps be more convincingly argued that the management needs to wisen the fuck up.
 

Made that needlessly hard work.
Management has some fucking big questions to answer going forward.
Miller might be the best we have but he's not match sharp and our mantra the whole Summer was "It's good to get the new boys in early because we're more prepared, we're more ready" (not from where I've been sitting). I agreed with the team selection bar Miller, he's done nothing thus far to justify a place, yes he scored but he should have had a hat-trick just about in the first half.
O'Halloran should have been through the middle today and if it never worked out Miller or Dodoo could have came on (I'm a minority here but I think our best hope at carving teams open is a quick ball through for him to run on to).
Forrester should have been subbed when he was cruising for a red - he gets red carded and we'd have drawn that.
Defence is crying out for Amo, Weir, Cuellar, Bougherra, even BIG FUCKIN MARVIN- all bar the last would be out of our price bracket these days but by fuck we need a Marvin Andrews at the least or we'll lose goals to fuck all crosses into the box every week.
Considering our crossing/longball-ability we should have a target man or a CF that can score a header in a team cause if we aren't going to play quick through balls to O'Halloran/Miller/Dodoo we're on a hiding to nothing up front with tippy-tappy-allow-the-whole-team-to-get-back-and-defend stuff.
I thought we were more direct to be fair and I felt Halliday more than justified his start, glad to see Kranjcar on the bench because that's what he's worth until he proves otherwise (I think bringing him on against tired alamo teams is his game currently).
I could say more and it's not all on the negative side but I just feel we're seeing serious warning signs both in personnel and in management and against 2 bottom 6 teams we've looked like we'd be joining them more than a side pushing for the title. One way or another we're finding ways not to get out of 2nd gear and it'll cost us, I want to think that it's all part of a carefully crafted plan to try and limit Celtics spending and things like that but it could perhaps be more convincingly argued that the management needs to wisen the fuck up.
 

Well, my view is that we've made this hard for ourselves with the personnel selections, subs, etc. again.
Looks like we're playing for a draw, we needed a goal early in the 2nd half to get back on track.
2 games against the bottom 6 and we're hinging on like a wee lassie that's met a boy with a motor, needless.

Made that needlessly hard work.
Management has some fucking big questions to answer going forward.
Miller might be the best we have but he's not match sharp and our mantra the whole Summer was "It's good to get the new boys in early because we're more prepared, we're more ready" (not from where I've been sitting). I agreed with the team selection bar Miller, he's done nothing thus far to justify a place, yes he scored but he should have had a hat-trick just about in the first half.
O'Halloran should have been through the middle today and if it never worked out Miller or Dodoo could have came on (I'm a minority here but I think our best hope at carving teams open is a quick ball through for him to run on to).
Forrester should have been subbed when he was cruising for a red - he gets red carded and we'd have drawn that.
Defence is crying out for Amo, Weir, Cuellar, Bougherra, even BIG FUCKIN MARVIN- all bar the last would be out of our price bracket these days but by fuck we need a Marvin Andrews at the least or we'll lose goals to fuck all crosses into the box every week.
Considering our crossing/longball-ability we should have a target man or a CF that can score a header in a team cause if we aren't going to play quick through balls to O'Halloran/Miller/Dodoo we're on a hiding to nothing up front with tippy-tappy-allow-the-whole-team-to-get-back-and-defend stuff.
I thought we were more direct to be fair and I felt Halliday more than justified his start, glad to see Kranjcar on the bench because that's what he's worth until he proves otherwise (I think bringing him on against tired alamo teams is his game currently).
I could say more and it's not all on the negative side but I just feel we're seeing serious warning signs both in personnel and in management and against 2 bottom 6 teams we've looked like we'd be joining them more than a side pushing for the title. One way or another we're finding ways not to get out of 2nd gear and it'll cost us, I want to think that it's all part of a carefully crafted plan to try and limit Celtics spending and things like that but it could perhaps be more convincingly argued that the management needs to wisen the fuck up.
 

Well, my view is that we've made this hard for ourselves with the personnel selections, subs, etc. again.
Looks like we're playing for a draw, we needed a goal early in the 2nd half to get back on track.
2 games against the bottom 6 and we're hinging on like a wee lassie that's met a boy with a motor, needless.

We're not playing to his strengths m8, he's not getting a chance

Seriously Warburton is sailing close to the wind with the favouritism, treating the game as a fitness/sharpness exercise, not subbing Forrester.
Management needs to go for the throat of this game before it ends up 2-2 with 10 men.

Seriously Warburton is sailing close to the wind with the favouritism, treating the game as a fitness/sharpness exercise, not subbing Forrester.
Management needs to go for the throat of this game before it ends up 2-2 with 10 men.

Seriously Warburton is sailing close to the wind with the favouritism, treating the game as a fitness/sharpness exercise, not subbing Forrester.
Management needs to go for the throat of this game before it ends up 2-2 with 10 men.

Seriously Warburton is sailing close to the wind with the favouritism, treating the game as a fitness/sharpness exercise, not subbing Forrester.
Management needs to go for the throat of this game before it ends up 2-2 with 10 men.

My advice would be to refine it down to a couple of doubles and trebles, I know your pain; If I had stuck to Dunfermline, Dundee, Partick (most gut feeling about) I'd have been laughing last week; instead I git humped with Rangers or some other such bullshit.
I notice you picked up on Alloa being overpriced; when I see the bookies get a lower league Scottish match wrong like that I start to wonder what they know that I don't but on form Alloa should win HT/FT at 12/5 (way too high even though it was higher). 
Another to consider is Morton, I never get Morton right with everything else but their form is very good right now (beat Killie and Hamilton away). Falkirk are patchy and while it's just my luck they'll resume business today and beat Morton 2-1, I just think Morton might cause a wee upset today at 13/8 at home.
I looked at Livi and wouldn't put you off it but they are like the 4th tier of this country, form doesn't stack at all (imo), they'll win 5-1 away from home against top of the league then lose 2-0 at home to 2nd bottom. 

I think it's easy to pick 3 or 4 players who just clearly weren't sharp enough, we played in the same gear as we did in preseason and the latter half of last season.
Obviously disappointing but it means that doesn't we need to get O.T.T. about what the result itself "means". 
Work obviously has to be done to get us up to speed, fitness, sharpness and personnel changes going into the next game. Kranjcar and Miller both look like they are weeks behind others and while game time is a remedy to that you could say equally that the alternatives to them should get to start in the next game while they get themselves up to speed with training and subs appearances. There's every possibility that both of them and Kranjcar, in particular, may just continue with not being 100% and will have to be cameos off the bench for this season. I think it's only fair though that we remember it's early days and a lot can happen in a short space of time in football.
Terrible to see Waghorn's situation unfold, if it's as bad as it looked we'll have to turn to the other players to step up and show why they are at the club.
Hill didn't look to me as though he was as out of his depth as he looked in preseason. O'Halloran and Forester did themselves credit today. Barton looks as though he will be that huge presence in midfield we simply haven't had for years i.e there are positives in the sea of shit that we're sailing through today.
Got to up it big time but there are plenty of reasons to know that shouldn't be beyond us. 

One of the best comments on the thread, it's perhaps a little cliche but winners over the course have to be able to win having gone down because there'll always be a few games that go against you in a season and points won there define a seasons success, if we do it tells you a lot more about our character/team that skooshing it 5-0. Having said that you hope for the 5-0 because going 1-0 down fucking ruins you as a fan.

Much much better. What vision from McKay to pick out Waghorn.

Good effort by Waggy, great vision by Baz to pick him out.

Anyone think Miss Ranger is overpriced in the 8.10? I do personally, a few unknown quantities in the race and promising types but the distance is something Miss Ranger has been crying out for a go at for some time.

Smashed ascot 410 back for 3 quid lol

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/club-statement-60/

Alright Joey pal

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