KDI

I remember an Ian Ferguson goal that was struck so hard that the ballboy behind the goal ducked! May have been against Dundee United sometime in the late 80's...

That's how we got where we are.

Absolutely. but the cultural phenomenon stream out of the supernatural beliefs. When the cultural phenomenon no longer echo or resemble the supernatural beliefs, then they should be examined and dealt with. Phenomenon is hard to type.

I wish I could laugh. Actually, I feel more like crying when I see that. Sorry minstral.

Jesus Christ has nothing to do with football, or religious hatred, although many have tried to pin it on him over the centuries. Of course, its fun to create a standoff - it's like the cold war: no one wants to disarm first. Then we scour the media for evidence of unfair treatment, because we feel that it justifies our position of standing firm, and standing firm feels honorable. Both sides do it, and it's a vicious circle. The reason I think Rangers and Celtic should drop religious claims is because they have nothing to do with the cause of Jesus Christ on the earth. There are those on here who have been honest and say they don't go to church or practice a faith in God. So, if they were to take a step further, they could then say that the notion of protestantism (or catholicism) doesn't apply to them. Then, those who are practicing Christians would have no interest in creating division, strife or hatred. They may have an interest in sporting rivalry, but true believers would be appalled at the idea of the name of Jesus or the reputation of his church being draped over a football club's rivalry against another team. What I have said doesn't feel like much of an answer, and I'm no expert on any of this stuff. There are feelings that run deep, and go back over a hundred years. It's difficult and messy and there's a lot of pride involved. But doesn't anyone feel like they've just had enough?

I think that the saddest thing about this thread is that protestantism and catholicism have been hijacked in the west of Scotland. I still find it ludicrous that someone can claim to be a protestant or catholic while having no living faith in Jesus Christ. The effect of this, in my mind, is that any claims of catholic or protestant heritage are only thinly-veiled attempts to justify hatred and bigotry. I'm all for sporting rivalry, but when it's dressed up in religious garb then it has to be examined. This is one point that is always lost in these arguments. If Christianity, in its sects, is based on Jesus Christ, then love would be the order of the day. Even Martin Luther protested because he loved the catholic church and wanted to save it. In Christianity, the key element is not dedication to a brand of church, or a historical church movement, but to Jesus. Jesus himself railed against the pharisees who used religion as a way to justify their own brand of bigotry and superiority. It's so deeply ingrained that it's hard to see a way out. But I really wish that people could let down their defensiveness and finally be honest - this football thing has nothing to do with God, Jesus Christ or the church. That opens a new, fresh playing field that can still have rivalry and competition without the divisive hatred.

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Apparently, game will not be shown on tv in the States. Anywhere.

Anyone who takes Tam Cowan seriously needs to develop a sense of humor. He pummels EVERYONE in the league, freely admits his own team is rubbish, and is a good laugh.

It's a joke, right?

What will put us back "where we belong" (wherever that is) is to win trophies. A big-name signing is short-sighted, headline-for-a-day grabbing silliness, and would mean less money to strengthen the squad. A good squad wins trophies, not bombastic PR.

It's a safe deal because: 1. Rangers don't pay production costs on the shirts. 2. Rangers don't pay crippling overheads with shops. 3. Rangers get a set £3m payment regardless of low sales. 4. With high sales, Rangers get profit percentage payments.

Perhaps the more civilized fan would pick Laudrup, and the more, ahem, boisterous fan would choose Gascoigne...

Perhaps these people are more sane than most of us. They are simply looking for a good game of football. Of course, the game itself relies on the ultra-loyal for ticket sales, shirt sales etc. I reckon people who "switch" clubs are actually on the hunt for good football. The left-behind loyal fans usually call them "glory hunters", but I don't necessarily think that's true. They probably just don't take supporting a club that seriously, and last time I checked, that wasn't a crime. I don't think I would end a friendship with someone because they decided to watch another football team. That would take a certain degree of social ineptitude on my part.

New strip's rubbish. They should do a retro one