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Not just Goldson with dodgy passing, plenty of others trying to pass through the eye of a needle. Seems our movement in general has slumped and not enough attempting to make themselves available. When they do, the first touch is shocking. It seems to me that nerves are affecting confidence. They need to relax a bit more and up the ante. We were our own worst enemies last night, sitting deep and allowing the high press. I understand how after the cup semi defeat we were focussed on not losing but to allow Hibs to dominate possession for large chunks made life so hard. What a difference when Davis went off and Arfield came on.

Or was it because he didn't fit into Gerrard's system. Seems an out and out striker but often played wide or dropped deep for us. Banged the goals in before and made the Swiss team. Possibly better under the GvB style of having his strikers in and around the box. Tough though with Morelos, Roofe and Sakala in the mix

Apologies for bumping this, but I have just read on FF that the Requistioners lost the vote for the various changes proposed, ignoring the fact that not all resolutions were put to Contributors and further, there was no opportunity to put their case. I am not a member of C1872 nor do I know any of the parties involved but from what I read here and on FF, it seems as though the members/contributors are being short changed and are not being represented in the way they should. Membership numbers are dwindling, meetings are not being held and accounts are not being filed. This would suggest a compliance failure and improper governance. Why? I am not sure of the number of members who are currently signed up, but it would seem that almost 50% of those who took time to vote were in support of the resolutions and change, and behind the Requisitioners. There may well have been a substantial number who for whatever reason failed to vote but as the figures have not been made available (outside of the incumbent Board), it is difficult to judge the success of this poll one way or the other. My point here is that C1872 is a members organisation and as such any elected Board, voluntary or not, has a duty to those members and needs to be totally open and honest and to share with their audience all the facts (and figures) to allow members to make their own choices and decisions. This has developed into one horrendous mess and a case of he said/she said, with a to and froing of arguments. I am sure no party wants to go down the legal route and incurring unnecessary costs. For the future of C1872 and fan representation, a coming together of parties and some form of arbitration seems necessary. I am not so naive to believe that this is an easy suggestion, but would like to know what the Requisitioners next steps are. Surely it cannot be left in limbo. I have seen many comments on various Forums indicating that many members have resigned and are stopping their contributions. Whilst understandable in the current situation, it is defeatist and plays into the hands of the incumbent Board, who will obviously remain but rule over a smaller kingdom. An incredible sum of money has already been invested in Rangers Football Club via C1872 and that investment needs securing. I am not making a case for either party (incumbent Board v Requisitioners) but resolution is clearly required if C1872 is to survive and grow and as I see it, it is down to MEMBERS to make things happen and insist their Board do something soonest. It's a bit simplistic but, getting bodies around the table would be ideal but I'm guessing relationships and trust is too far gone for this to happen. Personally I would suggest members demand a meeting, possibly an AGM/EGM, to clear the air and address specific issues, but being unsure of the Articles I am unclear on what the requirements are to make this happen. I have been sitting in the wings pondering signing up for membership since the Dave King legacy arrangement surfaced but like so many others am waiting to see positive change and cause for encouragement in the operation. Much damage has been caused by recent events and will remain unless a solution can be found. Requisitioners can you please confirm where you go next? My future membership depends on resolution.

The key point here in what is being proposed is the need for transparency. I was sure that this was fundamental in the operation of any Supporters Direct (or what they are called now) association. I am not a member of Club 1872 but totally support the approach now being taken by the requisitioners. You only have to read some of the recent posts on this forum to know of the disregard in which the current Directors are held and further the distrust insofar as the lack of cash flowing in in support of the Dave King legacy investment arrangement. All of this is detailed in the plan above. Words are easy said, actions are harder to achieve. Therein lies the problem with Club 1872 as currently operated. Do they have the knowledge, experience and staffing/support to achieve their aims. The same will surely apply to anyone taking over. The requisitioners sound enthusiastic and hopefully they will succeed. Not to stand for election after six months might be a risk, unless there is a guarantee of finding suitable and sufficient bodies to take things forward. I genuinely wish them well in their endeavours. As a non member I have no rights to expect any input or indeed to any output but, in the vein of transparency there can be no harm in engaging with a wider audience via a source like RM and others, after all openness and honesty can demonstrate trust and professionalism and potentially lead to increased membership or investors committed to donating proxy votes.

Cyprus have just had a similar situation with Omonia Fc winning their First Division in 11 years. All covid protocols broken. Expected 4000 to turn up at the training ground but was over 20000. President of the country took a practical view. President Anastasiades was also asked to comment last night’s celebrations of FC Omonia which clinched the First Division championship. Fans flooded the club’s training grounds at Yeri without upholding personal protective measures or social distance. “I am sure that no one, not even the club’s management would have wanted to see its fans derail (from the measures). At the same time, however, we must consider the feelings of fans who are celebrating winning the championship after 11 years”, he said. “It was wrong to violate the measures”, said President Anastasiades and wondered if it would be the right thing for the Police to intervene and clashes to break out, something that again wouldn’t have been ideal.

Perfect match then.

Wouldn't surprise me if Patrick Viera surfaced for the gig with a new challenge v Gerrard.

I think any money put into C1872 is pretty safe, think there are rules etc governing their activity. Only thing is, you are putting your trust in a Board to represent you, you give up your individual right but that is where C1872 will get their strength. The reason I asked my earlier questions was to ascertain if they are professional and pro active. This is a massive step and opportunity. If they have been working on it behind the scenes for a while, I would expect existing members to be fully engaged and up to speed and equally for their organisation to have plans in place to promote this widely and generate some form of uptake. All seems a bit hit and miss at the moment as if they expect folk to walk through the door and fall at their feet.

I'm guessing that there are Forum readers out there that are also members of C1872. Can I please ask a couple of questions? Having just listened to the Laura Fawkes interview with Clyde 1 on the previous page (she sounded OK, positive and upbeat) she states that they have been in discussions behind the scenes with 'Dave' for sometime about acquiring his shareholding. She also describes the current activity as a campaign and are hopeful of building on current club positivity to secure the required 20000+ additional Legacy Members necessary to raise over £13m. Prior to the big announcement via the press, how much did you know about the ongoing discussions and what activity has taken place to drive this campaign and reach out to the wider GLOBAL fanbase? This isn't intended as a criticism, I personally think to have a 25% fan stake in the Club is a massive coup but I am genuinely interested in how and what they are doing to get the numbers and address any concerns wavering donors may have. It will take more than sitting back in expectation of the masses coming forward.

Chris Jack's article in the Glasgow Times, if it helps? https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18915576.amp/?ref=twtrec&__twitter_impression=true

Sorry, failed to answer your question. I believe that any key issues will be put to a vote and majority will rule. From what I see, the C1872 Directors, Laura Fawkes, Euan McFarlane and Joanne Percival will be responsible for overseeing implementation. These guys are elected by the members and serve for three years. I agree that it calls for someone with experience and knowledge to be in these positions but that's where you have to trust the membership. It becomes even more pertinent if the fans ever get a place at the rich man's table (main football club board).

Morning. I fully understand what you are saying here and it is questions like this and ones from JCDBig Bear and Sweetheart that leads me to be suggesting that clarification is required to help us rank and file supporters understand what is involved and how the future will look. There are some answers on the C1872 website if you look and I would suggest checking the FAQ's section and also the bit on Legacy. As I see it, Dave King has made the decision to sell his shares to C1872 as a collective supporters body wishing to see Rangers fans have a say in the future running of the football club. This offer is not available to individual buyers presumably on the basis that small investors would not have a voice of any significance. True, it could be that those such investors were able to proxy any future votes to C1872 but I guess there is no guarantee that would happen. Hence why King sees the strength in C1872. C1872's big issue is now to engage with the wider fan base and increase its membership sufficiently to secure legacy donations totalling £13.3m, that's if we buy at 20p by December 2021 - price likely to go up in Year 2 and 3. How are they going to do that and equally important how are they going to address questions and concerns? They may well be working behind the scenes to get things underway but at present, all I have seen is an updated website with news but unless I had looked, that will only have been targeted at the converted, ie their existing 7000 members and nosey buggers like me. The clock is ticking. How do they normally communicate, how do they normally recruit new members, are they doing enough? I am in the dark like so many and need somebody to shed the light. You guys have your questions as I do. I could be persuaded to donate my £500 but I want to some oomph from the C1872 Board and show us leadership and direction, come out with a brief capable of reaching the majority and perhaps including a QandA targeted at some of our concerns.

Thanks and yes I do realise what buying into C1872 means. Please note though that I am not advocating any particular route here. What I do believe is that more explicit information is required from both C1872 and the football club itself. This thread has already highlighted lots of mixed messages and misunderstandings. Joining C1872 and making a Legacy Donation puts funds in their coffers allowing them we believe to purchase cheap shares ( in 2021) from Dave King. If they secure all shares as touted C1872 would as of today be the major shareholder. Currently they have no place on the Board and no power, but their position will be strengthened. Any individual making a donation would only have a say in how C1872 business is conducted, not the football club. Whilst it might be more appealing to invest directly in the football club and feel personally involved you will have minimal influence in decisions and voting. I believe at a corporate shareholding level, voting does not work on a one person one vote basis, it comes down to the value of your holding. C1872 with £millions would have substantially more voting rights than small fry investors. Its why the C1872 (supporters club) exists. Ultimately they want a say in how the Club is run and if King is to be believed, Never Again. In his mind fan interests should be protected hence his proposal. I know nothing about how C1872 operate or the individuals involved but reading on here, there is a lack of faith in their abilities. As a minimum, with this issue now before us, I would expect them to be promoting themselves to a wider audience unless they think they are confident of raising £13.5 million from their existing 7000 members - unlikely unless they have a sugar daddy. My previous comment remains pertinent. They need to be communicating with our global fan base setting out the details of the deal they are after, what their plans are for raising the cash, how they operate and what it means to us individually so we are all clear on the way forward. Is the main Club Board in support of what is being proposed. Wouldn't be a great start if they were not in favour.

Great discussion and Hadron Collider is right about business acumen - in all areas. I think more clarification is required before fans can make a balanced decision. Apart from the Dave King announcement have Club 1872 come out on their own to address the issue and make it clear what their plans and methodology is for securing the funds or are they relying on folk going to their website. Equally, it would be good to hear from the Rangers Directors regarding this suggestion, do they support it as King says and are they willing to give C1872 a place on the Board. C1872 is I believe a supporters trust who have 7000 members each having an equal vote in the business of C1872. Those members elect their Representative Board who then conduct business on behalf of those members, in accordance with their own rules. Presently they don't have a seat on the Football Club Board but could if they secure the King shares and agreement of the main Board and shareholders. I'm not 100% certain but think the King offer is a three year project. In year 1, shares can be bought for 20p, Year 2 23p and Year 3 26p. Hence why, C1872 are keen to get as much Legacy Donations done in Year 1 with the discount available. To have a large shareholding improves the supporters chance of a place on the main Board and a voice in the future running of the club. Worth noting that even with 25% holding the other 75% could out vote C1872 if it was warranted. Hence why some kind of comment from the football club would ge welcome. Whilst it would be a nice thing to have your £500 or £1000 individual investment in Rangers, your voice as a shareholder would be almost non existent in influential terms. That's why the C1872 exists and why has the support of King. He could if he wanted just sell the the highest bidder. Never Again. Thats my interpretation of it. Think we could all benefit from Football Club and C1872 statements, although the Rangers may have their hands tied legally as far as investment information is concerned

It won’t happen but possibly worth trying a back 3 with Helander/Edmundson introduced on the left. Strong defensively but with pace on the width in midfield 5.

Thought Connor Goldson had a cracking game last night. Easy to just praise the forwards but CG was calm and in control. Still prone to the odd slip up but since scoring his goal at Killie he seems to pumped his chest out and be more fired up. Covers well for Tav when he goes AWOL.

Them and us seem to have an issue with this position. Square pegs in round holes. Barasic should be more than capable but has no confidence and struggling to cope with the pressure. Flanagan is the go to man when steel is required but lacks the finesse when it comes to passing etc. Halliday will always do a job in the blue jersey but not sure he can go up a level. We plod on with what we have as we no doubt continue to search for the man with the golden boot.

Totally. It was Jack who started things off for the first as well, very deep in our half. Deserves a lot of credit again for his performance and of course with him being subbed, we were less tight in the holding positions.

Agreed and if you compare him to Joelinton signed by Newcastle for £40m then there surely is big money in the offing.

2 goals no booking another £1m on his value. Kerching

Have to agree and who wouldn’t be chuffed with a 6.1 win but, there were times in that game where our concentration levels dropped. We are playing some lovely football but we need to raise the intensity still further, to many sideways and backward passing where incisive forward passes are on. Our wide men and centre forwards are making great runs and need the early ball. We run the risk of getting caught out when we try the pull back. Still, very happy (honest) lets just keep the pressure and momentum high - no mercy.

Performed well last night and deserves his plaudits as much as the criticism he receives. Said it before, but it is a step up playing at Ibrox and can take time to fit in and adapt. Kent was the same last season. Thing about Jones is he is in a position where we have plenty of options and he can expect to be rotated based on form and opposition.

Having spent £3.5m on Helander, it is reasonable to expect him to be half decent. We won’t know until he is tested but as the phrase goes, ‘if it ain’t broke so don’t fix it’. Katic has done very little wrong but a lot right so the jersey is his to lose. Same can be said about Edmundson, so very comforting that we have real strength in depth here.

Great photo and good to see him enjoying the moment. Not up to speed yet in the game but shows flashes of what’s to come (if he stays). Don’t like to see him dropping off, it leaves us with nothing up front. At fault for their goal, losing his man. Better days to come I hope, we need him firing.

Not sure a 4 3 3 suits the 3 midfielders we started with. They all like to play central and it gets to busy in there. What’s more I feel the possession game we play calls for intensity and movement and we seemed lacking in both areas today.