McBoyd 355 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Even if the majority of those games were with, what is, a bottom 6 team ? True, Killie hardly ever (have they in modern times?) beat celtic, the team isn't that great, and for Boyd to score against Celtic with them would have been a miracle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Good stats, I was surprised. Nonetheless, the only stat I'm concerned about this weekend is one goal in 18 games against Celtic. Although in saying that, I really don't give a flying fuck who scores the winner To be fair, its only 866 minutes so in the strictest sense of the word, he has played the equivalent of less than 10 games, though 1 goal is still a poor return One goal in 9.62 (accuracy!) games is a god awful return. It must be a mental thing. Not really. What a lot of people forget is that Boyd is a poacher. Nothing more. Nothing less. If he doesnt get chances, he wont make them. If the ball doesnt come in the box, he wont score them or very rarley score them. In his 9.62 games against Timmy, how many times did his team-mates put the ball in the box for him. What posession did Killie or Rangers have v Timmy as opposed to the rest of the SPL. Whilst it is my view Boyd should then work on that part of the game and improve, you cant ignore it for what it is. I'd disagree. For Scotland's top striker to have only scored once in over 9 games against Celtic is brutal, regardless if we make it look better and stick a cherry on top. Even if the majority of those games were with, what is, a bottom 6 team ? Were Killie a bottom six side at the time? I thought they were top four or five when Naismith and Boyd were doing the business. And yes, it's still a poor record. Other players for poorer sides managed to score regularly against them, so I don't see why Boyd didn't. I don't think it's an ability thing, I genuinely did (and still do to an extent) think it's a mental thing. His record against Celtic really gets to him IMHO, and he needs a couple to get his head straight against them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 14 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 What's his scoring stats against the team that finishes top (or second)? The old firm are by far and away the best teams in the coutry and that's where he should really be measured. He has played a total of 376 minutes against Timmy and scored once. Whilst that is way out of line with the rest of his stats, and despite me being undecided on him cause of his attitude, i dont think you can say thats the only team he can be judged against mate I didn't say it's the only team he should be judged against but if you are trying to look at his stats against good SPL teams, which is the point of the thread I believe, then his record against celtic needs to be reviewed on its own to get a fuller picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Why dont we just keep manipulating the stats until we get one that fits whatever our stance is on Boyd. Then have a debate about whether he is a great striker/should be in the team/ should play against Celtic/should play in Europe; which will be backed up with our chosen stat.? After all we havent had a Boyd debate for a while now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw69uk 123 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Why dont we just keep manipulating the stats until we get one that fits whatever our stance is on Boyd. Then have a debate about whether he is a great striker/should be in the team/ should play against Celtic/should play in Europe; which will be backed up with our chosen stat.? After all we havent had a Boyd debate for a while now! quality post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrissyBoy 0 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Am i right in saying that big Jukebox never scored against the earls ? Spot on there, mate. 44 goals and not one against Shellick. Quite surprising really . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbm26896 995 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 found these Kris Boyd stats on another site someone has spent a long time doing this - very interesting stuff Overall 147 Games (incl 34 sub appearances) 101 Goals (22 Pens) 7 Hat-tricks 16 Doubles played 10101 minutes for Rangers = 1 goal per 100 minutes 58 Goals at Ibrox, 37 goals away and 6 at Hampden. Only missed one game through suspension during his time at Ibrox (Motherwell a - 30 JUly 2006) Has only missed 5 games through injury - all in the period 9/12/06 to 27/12/06 incl. Has only played a full 90 minutes on 64 occasions Has been an unused sub 27 times - all under Walter Smith. Has played in 147 out of Rangers 183 competitive games since he came to Ibrox. His longest run of starts for Rangers was 16 games from 28 Oct 08 to 17 Jan 09. His longest run of consecutive scoring matches was 4 - the last 2 matches of PLG's tenure, Durrant's only game in charge, and Smith's first game in charge. In Europe 17 European Games, 3 Goals (1 of which was a pen) 13 games was either sub (7) or was subbed (6). Only 4 games started and completed. 17 games = 5 loses, 7 draws and 5 wins. 869 minutes of action in Europe Average number of minutes on the field - 51 minutes. Least minutes on field = 1 minute v Villareal (H) Scored pen against Livorno (A) 2 goals from open play in Europe where v Auxerre (a) and Hapoel (H) Was an unused sub in the 6 consecutive Uefa Cup matches in season 2007/2008 prior to the final. Started all the European games (5) under Paul le Guen Has never started in a CL group match. Has never scored after coming on as a sub in a European match (7 games). In League 108 games, incl 22 sub appearances. 77 goals, incl 18 Pens Won 69, Drew 22 and Lost 17. Has scored 6 goals after coming on as a sub, all in matches that we won by 2 goals or more. 49 goals at Ibrox and 28 away. SPL v Each team V Aberdeen = 12 SPL games incl 5 as sub, 7 goals, missed 1 game (injury). Won 5, Drew 4 Lost 3. 1 Hat trick. 649 minutes played in total v Aberdeen in SPL. V Celtic = 5 SPL games incl 1 as sub, 1 goal (no pens), Missed 8 games - 5 as unused sub, 2 not in squad but available and 1 through injury. Won 1, Drew 1 Lost 3. Rangers have only scored in 1 of his 5 OF games. 332 minutes played in total v Celtic in SPL. V Dundee United = 10 SPL games incl 4 as sub, 7 goals (no pens), Missed 1 game as unused sub. 1 hat-trick and 1 double. Won 4 Drew 4 Lost 2. 607 minutes played v DU in SPL. V Dunfermline = 4 SPL games incl 2 as sub, 1 goal (no pens). Won 3 and Drew 1. 255 minutes played v DA in SPL. V Falkirk = 10 SPL games incl 2 as sub, 9 goals (2 pens). Scored on both sub apps. Won 9 and Drew 1. One double. 669 minutes played v Falkirk in SPL. V Gretna = 2 SPL games incl 1 as sub, 2 goals (1 pen). Won 2. Missed 1 game as unused sub. 105 minutes played v Gretna in SPL. V Hamilton = 3 SPL games, 5 goals (2 Pens). 1 hat trick and 1 double. Won 3. 256 minutes played v Accies in SPL. V Hearts = 12 SPL games, 6 goals (2 pens). 2 Doubles. Won 7, drew 3 and Lost 2. Missed one game as unused sub. 917 minutes played v Hearts in SPL. V Hibs = 9 SPL games (incl 2 as sub), 4 goals. 1 double. Won 5, drew 2 and lost 2. Missed 4 games, 3 as unused sub and 1 through injury. 628 minutes played v Hibs in SPL V ICT = 8 SPL games (incl 1 as sub), 8 goals. 1 hat trick and 2 doubles. Won 5, drew 1 and lost 2. Missed 2 games - 1 as unused sub and 1 through injury. 560 minutes played v ICT in SPL. V Killie = 12 SPL games (no subs), 13 goals incl 5 pens. 1 hat trick and 2 doubles. Won 10, drew 1 and lost 1. 1020 minutes played v Killie in SPL V Livingston = 1 SPL game, 2 goals (no pens). 1 double - obviously! Won 1. 80 minutes played v Livvy in SPL. V Motherwell = 11 SPL games inc 2 sub apps, 11 goals (3 pens). 1 double. Won 7 Drew 4. Missed 1 game through suspension. 803 minutes played v Motherwell in SPL. V St Mirren = 9 SPL games, 5 goals (1 pen). Won 7 Drew 1 lost 1. 719 minutes played v St Mirren in SPL. SPL v TOP SIX teams = 52 games (incl 13 as sub), 30 goals (6 pens). Of those 52 games, 25 were away from home where his record is 25 games (incl 8 sub apps) and 11 goals (3 pens) In League Cup 10 matches incl 2 sub apps. 9 goals incl 1 Pen. Won 8 (incl 1 on Pens), Lost 2 (1 AET) No hat-tricks, 2 doubles. Scored 2 goals after coming on as sub. Only missed one game in League Cup during his time at Ibrox - unused sub v Hearts LCSF 30/1/08. 1 goal at Ibrox, 5 away and 3 at Hampden. V Dunfermline 1 goal, won. V St Johnstone (2 games) 0 goals, won 1 and lost 1. V East Fife 2 goals (1 pen). Game won. V Motherwell 1 goal. Game won. V Dundee Utd (LCF) 2 goals after coming on as sub V Partick 1 goal. Game won. V Hamilton 1 goal. Game won. v Falkirk 1 goal. Game won. v Celtic 0 goals. Came on as sub. Game Lost. In Scottish Cup 12 matches incl 3 sub apps. 12 goals incl 2 Pen. Won 8, Drew 2, Lost 2 2 hat-tricks, 2 doubles. Hasn't scored any goals after coming on as sub. Only missed one game in Scottish Cup during his time at Ibrox - not in squad v St Johnstone SCSF 20/4/08. 7 goals at Ibrox, 2 away and 3 at Hampden. V Peterhead, Hat-trick (1 pen). Game won. V Hibs (3 games incl 2 as sub), 0 goals. Won 1, Drew 1 and Lost 1. V Dunfermline, 2 goals. Game lost. V East Stirling, 3 goals (1 pen). Game won. V Partick (2 games), 1 goal. 1 draw and 1 win. V Queen of the South, 2 goals. Game won (SCF). V Forfar, 0 goals. Game won. V Hamilton, Came on as sub. 0 goals. Game won. V St Mirren, 1 goal. Game won (SCSF) Under the managers Eck - 21 matches, 20 goals inc 2 Pens. 17 starts and 4 sub appearances. Only played 10 full games and was taken off in 7 games. Won 13, Drew 5 and Lost 3. 2 Hat-tricks and 4 doubles. Missed 0 competitive games under McLeish. Averaged 70 minutes per game (exc Injury time). PLG - 25 matches, 13 goals inc 6 Pens. 18 starts and 7 sub appearances. Only played 10 full games and was taken off in 8 games. Won 12, Drew 7 and Lost 6. No Hat-tricks and 2 doubles. Missed 6 competitive games under PLG (1 susp and 5 injury). Averaged 68 minutes per game (exc Injury time). Durrant - 1 match, 2 goals. 1 start. Lost 1. One double. Played whole 90 mins. Missed 0 competitive games under Durrant. Smith (as at 3/5/09) - 100 matches, 66 goals inc 15 pens. 77 starts and 23 sub appearances. Won 65 (incl 1 on pens), Drew 19 and Lost 16 (inc 1 AET). 5 Hat-tricks and 9 doubles. Subbed in 57 games, played 43 complete games. Missed 30 competitive games under Smith - 27 as unused sub and 3 not in squad but available for selection. Averages 68 minutes per game (excl injury time). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw69uk 123 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 found these Kris Boyd stats on another site someone has spent a long time doing this - very interesting stuff Overall 147 Games (incl 34 sub appearances) 101 Goals (22 Pens) 7 Hat-tricks 16 Doubles played 10101 minutes for Rangers = 1 goal per 100 minutes 58 Goals at Ibrox, 37 goals away and 6 at Hampden. Only missed one game through suspension during his time at Ibrox (Motherwell a - 30 JUly 2006) Has only missed 5 games through injury - all in the period 9/12/06 to 27/12/06 incl. Has only played a full 90 minutes on 64 occasions Has been an unused sub 27 times - all under Walter Smith. Has played in 147 out of Rangers 183 competitive games since he came to Ibrox. His longest run of starts for Rangers was 16 games from 28 Oct 08 to 17 Jan 09. His longest run of consecutive scoring matches was 4 - the last 2 matches of PLG's tenure, Durrant's only game in charge, and Smith's first game in charge. In Europe 17 European Games, 3 Goals (1 of which was a pen) 13 games was either sub (7) or was subbed (6). Only 4 games started and completed. 17 games = 5 loses, 7 draws and 5 wins. 869 minutes of action in Europe Average number of minutes on the field - 51 minutes. Least minutes on field = 1 minute v Villareal (H) Scored pen against Livorno (A) 2 goals from open play in Europe where v Auxerre (a) and Hapoel (H) Was an unused sub in the 6 consecutive Uefa Cup matches in season 2007/2008 prior to the final. Started all the European games (5) under Paul le Guen Has never started in a CL group match. Has never scored after coming on as a sub in a European match (7 games). In League 108 games, incl 22 sub appearances. 77 goals, incl 18 Pens Won 69, Drew 22 and Lost 17. Has scored 6 goals after coming on as a sub, all in matches that we won by 2 goals or more. 49 goals at Ibrox and 28 away. SPL v Each team V Aberdeen = 12 SPL games incl 5 as sub, 7 goals, missed 1 game (injury). Won 5, Drew 4 Lost 3. 1 Hat trick. 649 minutes played in total v Aberdeen in SPL. V Celtic = 5 SPL games incl 1 as sub, 1 goal (no pens), Missed 8 games - 5 as unused sub, 2 not in squad but available and 1 through injury. Won 1, Drew 1 Lost 3. Rangers have only scored in 1 of his 5 OF games. 332 minutes played in total v Celtic in SPL. V Dundee United = 10 SPL games incl 4 as sub, 7 goals (no pens), Missed 1 game as unused sub. 1 hat-trick and 1 double. Won 4 Drew 4 Lost 2. 607 minutes played v DU in SPL. V Dunfermline = 4 SPL games incl 2 as sub, 1 goal (no pens). Won 3 and Drew 1. 255 minutes played v DA in SPL. V Falkirk = 10 SPL games incl 2 as sub, 9 goals (2 pens). Scored on both sub apps. Won 9 and Drew 1. One double. 669 minutes played v Falkirk in SPL. V Gretna = 2 SPL games incl 1 as sub, 2 goals (1 pen). Won 2. Missed 1 game as unused sub. 105 minutes played v Gretna in SPL. V Hamilton = 3 SPL games, 5 goals (2 Pens). 1 hat trick and 1 double. Won 3. 256 minutes played v Accies in SPL. V Hearts = 12 SPL games, 6 goals (2 pens). 2 Doubles. Won 7, drew 3 and Lost 2. Missed one game as unused sub. 917 minutes played v Hearts in SPL. V Hibs = 9 SPL games (incl 2 as sub), 4 goals. 1 double. Won 5, drew 2 and lost 2. Missed 4 games, 3 as unused sub and 1 through injury. 628 minutes played v Hibs in SPL V ICT = 8 SPL games (incl 1 as sub), 8 goals. 1 hat trick and 2 doubles. Won 5, drew 1 and lost 2. Missed 2 games - 1 as unused sub and 1 through injury. 560 minutes played v ICT in SPL. V Killie = 12 SPL games (no subs), 13 goals incl 5 pens. 1 hat trick and 2 doubles. Won 10, drew 1 and lost 1. 1020 minutes played v Killie in SPL V Livingston = 1 SPL game, 2 goals (no pens). 1 double - obviously! Won 1. 80 minutes played v Livvy in SPL. V Motherwell = 11 SPL games inc 2 sub apps, 11 goals (3 pens). 1 double. Won 7 Drew 4. Missed 1 game through suspension. 803 minutes played v Motherwell in SPL. V St Mirren = 9 SPL games, 5 goals (1 pen). Won 7 Drew 1 lost 1. 719 minutes played v St Mirren in SPL. SPL v TOP SIX teams = 52 games (incl 13 as sub), 30 goals (6 pens). Of those 52 games, 25 were away from home where his record is 25 games (incl 8 sub apps) and 11 goals (3 pens) In League Cup 10 matches incl 2 sub apps. 9 goals incl 1 Pen. Won 8 (incl 1 on Pens), Lost 2 (1 AET) No hat-tricks, 2 doubles. Scored 2 goals after coming on as sub. Only missed one game in League Cup during his time at Ibrox - unused sub v Hearts LCSF 30/1/08. 1 goal at Ibrox, 5 away and 3 at Hampden. V Dunfermline 1 goal, won. V St Johnstone (2 games) 0 goals, won 1 and lost 1. V East Fife 2 goals (1 pen). Game won. V Motherwell 1 goal. Game won. V Dundee Utd (LCF) 2 goals after coming on as sub V Partick 1 goal. Game won. V Hamilton 1 goal. Game won. v Falkirk 1 goal. Game won. v Celtic 0 goals. Came on as sub. Game Lost. In Scottish Cup 12 matches incl 3 sub apps. 12 goals incl 2 Pen. Won 8, Drew 2, Lost 2 2 hat-tricks, 2 doubles. Hasn't scored any goals after coming on as sub. Only missed one game in Scottish Cup during his time at Ibrox - not in squad v St Johnstone SCSF 20/4/08. 7 goals at Ibrox, 2 away and 3 at Hampden. V Peterhead, Hat-trick (1 pen). Game won. V Hibs (3 games incl 2 as sub), 0 goals. Won 1, Drew 1 and Lost 1. V Dunfermline, 2 goals. Game lost. V East Stirling, 3 goals (1 pen). Game won. V Partick (2 games), 1 goal. 1 draw and 1 win. V Queen of the South, 2 goals. Game won (SCF). V Forfar, 0 goals. Game won. V Hamilton, Came on as sub. 0 goals. Game won. V St Mirren, 1 goal. Game won (SCSF) Under the managers Eck - 21 matches, 20 goals inc 2 Pens. 17 starts and 4 sub appearances. Only played 10 full games and was taken off in 7 games. Won 13, Drew 5 and Lost 3. 2 Hat-tricks and 4 doubles. Missed 0 competitive games under McLeish. Averaged 70 minutes per game (exc Injury time). PLG - 25 matches, 13 goals inc 6 Pens. 18 starts and 7 sub appearances. Only played 10 full games and was taken off in 8 games. Won 12, Drew 7 and Lost 6. No Hat-tricks and 2 doubles. Missed 6 competitive games under PLG (1 susp and 5 injury). Averaged 68 minutes per game (exc Injury time). Durrant - 1 match, 2 goals. 1 start. Lost 1. One double. Played whole 90 mins. Missed 0 competitive games under Durrant. Smith (as at 3/5/09) - 100 matches, 66 goals inc 15 pens. 77 starts and 23 sub appearances. Won 65 (incl 1 on pens), Drew 19 and Lost 16 (inc 1 AET). 5 Hat-tricks and 9 doubles. Subbed in 57 games, played 43 complete games. Missed 30 competitive games under Smith - 27 as unused sub and 3 not in squad but available for selection. Averages 68 minutes per game (excl injury time). THAT bit is interesting, that must be one of the best discipline and injury free records of a Rangers player in some time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopermania 1 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Good thread Youllneverwinaway, getting these stats. Its remarkedly good, considering he has been dropped on a lot of occasions against Timmy especially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryann 0 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Very interesting stats. lets hope he keeps his goal scoring up at the weekend against the scum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC999 0 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Good find. Stats show the real picture. Lets just hope he bags a few more agaisnt a top 6 side this weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polar bear 0 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Great rangers goalscorers have to score against Celtic and in Europe. If Boyd can do that then, and only then, can he go onto be considered one of the greats. hopefully he begins to do that against celtic on Saturday. COME ON BOYDIE How true. Come on Boyd make me a believer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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