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If we lose the league this season? Now im fully optimistic that we'll walk it as Celtic were pish last season and you cant really say they have improved their squad at all, But if SOMEHOW we lost the league (most likely due to not having enough defensive cover) will murray own up and admit that he's made a BIG mistake by not strengthening?

I mean, by winning the league last season we've made the bank 10 million by being in the CL, and cleared out about 5 million in wages plus about 1.7 million in transfers. All this plus the money from kit sales, and season ticket sales (i'd say 40,000 X min 300 pounds per ticket = 12 MILLION). You would think they would naturally give us a go to win the league and give us a better chance at securing the CL again for next season therefore netting them more money back by at least letting us use the 1.7 mill.

Like I said Im optimistic that we have a great chance to win the league with the squad we have, but fearing a deja - vu type considering what happened after we didnt strengthen before Kaunus.

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If we lose the league this season? Now im fully optimistic that we'll walk it as Celtic were pish last season and you cant really say they have improved their squad at all, But if SOMEHOW we lost the league (most likely due to not having enough defensive cover) will murray own up and admit that he's made a BIG mistake by not strengthening?

I mean, by winning the league last season we've made the bank 10 million by being in the CL, and cleared out about 5 million in wages plus about 1.7 million in transfers. All this plus the money from kit sales, and season ticket sales (i'd say 40,000 X min 300 pounds per ticket = 12 MILLION). You would think they would naturally give us a go to win the league and give us a better chance at securing the CL again for next season therefore netting them more money back by at least letting us use the 1.7 mill.

Like I said Im optimistic that we have a great chance to win the league with the squad we have, but fearing a deja - vu type considering what happened after we didnt strengthen before Kaunus.

Maybe we will strenghten next season when all this is announced on the profit report

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Woa can you do my books as well? Didn't know that was how a football club runs it's finances. So simple.

IMO this team can rape any team in the SPL. They will struggle with the tims but we always do.

We lack cover in obvious areas but at this moment in time we can still easily win the league with these players. Has anyone looked ahead a bit? What if we did ok in the CL? Got knocked out and spat into the uefa cup (or whatever it's called nowadays) for a few rounds and get knocked out.

We win the league and maybe a cup or two.

We're back in the CL again next year and we've spent fuck all this season. Think how shiny the books would look then....

People just moan. Keep spamming at how we've bought fuck all and so on. Have you actually thought what a summer of inactivity in the transfer window could do for the club as a whole?

I would love to see knew players (especially a CH) but tbh if we "get away" with this summer we could be in a very nice situation this time next year. Or it could all blow up in our faces and go to fuck. But hey that's football :)

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If we lose the league this season? Now im fully optimistic that we'll walk it as Celtic were pish last season and you cant really say they have improved their squad at all, But if SOMEHOW we lost the league (most likely due to not having enough defensive cover) will murray own up and admit that he's made a BIG mistake by not strengthening?

I mean, by winning the league last season we've made the bank 10 million by being in the CL, and cleared out about 5 million in wages plus about 1.7 million in transfers. All this plus the money from kit sales, and season ticket sales (i'd say 40,000 X min 300 pounds per ticket = 12 MILLION). You would think they would naturally give us a go to win the league and give us a better chance at securing the CL again for next season therefore netting them more money back by at least letting us use the 1.7 mill.

Like I said Im optimistic that we have a great chance to win the league with the squad we have, but fearing a deja - vu type considering what happened after we didnt strengthen before Kaunus.

Season ticket cash and cash from transfers don't cover the running costs pf the club, even after taking into account the reduced salaries. We need a chunk of the CL cash to cover the shortfall, and we need a large chunk to reduce the debt, which has to happen.

We did strengthen before Kaunus. It was just in the wrong areas, and for that walter has to carry the can.

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we should be rattling the SPL teams as frequently as a tim rattles his beads!! It should be 2 or 3-0 IN EVERY GAME except Old Firm Games. It should come down to OF Games ( we win ours they win theirs 2 a piece ( and then its who slips up through injury and season fatigue. Thats how I think it SHOULD be and how I think it WILL be. Im less eager to write off Celtic than alot on here seem but I've only been watching the scottish game for 50 years so maybe im wrong not to write them off. I do think it is gonna be tighter than the last few years on the park aswell as off it and I do think we will see a vastly improved playing style due to a season of bonding between our players. We were lucky last year but this year we CAN give Taigothy the ABSOLUTE FUCKING THRASHING they deserve . When did we last destroy them with a healthy league winning points gap anyway? NOW IS THE TIME, I'm not Walters biggest fan ( by damn sight ! ) but ill give him the benefit of the doubt this season and see what happens.

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If we lose the league this season? Now im fully optimistic that we'll walk it as Celtic were pish last season and you cant really say they have improved their squad at all, But if SOMEHOW we lost the league (most likely due to not having enough defensive cover) will murray own up and admit that he's made a BIG mistake by not strengthening?

I mean, by winning the league last season we've made the bank 10 million by being in the CL, and cleared out about 5 million in wages plus about 1.7 million in transfers. All this plus the money from kit sales, and season ticket sales (i'd say 40,000 X min 300 pounds per ticket = 12 MILLION). You would think they would naturally give us a go to win the league and give us a better chance at securing the CL again for next season therefore netting them more money back by at least letting us use the 1.7 mill.

Like I said Im optimistic that we have a great chance to win the league with the squad we have, but fearing a deja - vu type considering what happened after we didnt strengthen before Kaunus.

We'll not walk the league, we won the league by a bawhair last season...and with us unlikely to bring in a CB...it could be worrying times imo :anguish:

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The scum have strengthened over the summer. We haven't. The issue really lies with can we cope with injuries/suspensions and Madjid being away in January. Our starting 11 is good enough but it takes a real squad to win the title.

Going back to the Kaunus debacle... Funny how no one remembers that free kick that McGregor should have saved right before the half. Could have been a different outcome -- easily. But I digress

Anyway, to the OP... why don't you apply for the Chief Financial Officer position of The Rangers? (tu) Nothing is that simple.

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The scum have strengthened over the summer. We haven't. The issue really lies with can we cope with injuries/suspensions and Madjid being away in January. Our starting 11 is good enough but it takes a real squad to win the title.

Going back to the Kaunus debacle... Funny how no one remembers that free kick that McGregor should have saved right before the half. Could have been a different outcome -- easily. But I digress

Anyway, to the OP... why don't you apply for the Chief Financial Officer position of The Rangers? (tu) Nothing is that simple.

They haven't strengthened at all. They lost Hesselink and Nakamura and brought in Fortune and N'Guemo. Neither have proven to be any better than the two outgoing players so the idea that they have strengthened their team is a myth.

We have a settled squad that has been together for over a year now. They all know how each other plays and we have a good system. The only concern is the defence and it remains obvious that one or two quality additions are needed with Weir's age and Bougherra going to the African Nations in January. One injury and suddenly we are thread-bare.

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I think every other team has weakened itself, whereas, we have become leaner, and, no less weaker really. Defensive cover is perhaps an issue, but, league wise? I dont buy that. Wilson can cope, McCulloch can cope. The only question mark for me this season is how we will do in Europe, which is always a question!

Murray SHOULD take responsibility, but, how many fans will actually remember that, if things start to go badly? Nope, it will be back to having a pop at Smith, which, to date this season is not deserved, as, I am pretty sure he wants to get some players in, in the position we KNOW we need one

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I think every other team has weakened itself, whereas, we have become leaner, and, no less weaker really. Defensive cover is perhaps an issue, but, league wise? I dont buy that. Wilson can cope, McCulloch can cope. The only question mark for me this season is how we will do in Europe, which is always a question!

Murray SHOULD take responsibility, but, how many fans will actually remember that, if things start to go badly? Nope, it will be back to having a pop at Smith, which, to date this season is not deserved, as, I am pretty sure he wants to get some players in, in the position we KNOW we need one

Agree with all of that (tu)

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N'Guemo is far better than that one trick pony Naka. And Vinegar was shite for them last year anyway. Fortune is like Darch in the sitters he misses but at least gets into position from what I've see of them. But with Fox at LB, overall they have strengthened.

Note though.. I don't believe they have strengthened to such as degree that they have any chance of winning the league. IF we steer clear of injuries/suspensions.. we'll be just fine.

Then again, the great equalizer is Tony Moperay. One that favours style over substance. 'Our' best signing of the summer. We only needed the one.

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I'm not a big Murray fan but as fans we can't have it both ways. We have got rid of the deadwood this summer to make up for some of the poor buys that Smith has spent over the last two seasons.

My big criticism of Murray stems back from Kaunas where we should have strengthend after the UEFA Cup Final and the poor money we got from selling Cuellar (should have got more than 7.8 mil for him)

However Murray can only sign the cheques Smith spent a lot of money on duds e.g. signing three strikers when we desperatley needed another midfielder.

That being said I think we are goin in the right direction. We have a young team, wev won the championship, we are in the Champions League and our debt is being cut drastically.

We all know Murray wants to sell the club and my feeling is that he wants to get rid of the debt to make it as attractive as possible for someone to invest in the next 2 to 3 years.

Another culprit that we should be looking at is Martin Bain. What exactly does he do to forward our club's interests??

During Bain's tenure we have went ridiculously far back in a commercial sense and we are miles behind the Tims in that respect.

We don't sell our club overseas like we should and we should be tappin into the millions of people who support our club across the globe

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i cant see how you get saving £5m from wages. Season ticket sales are down aswell this year along with a couple of other income earners(corporate stuff).

We still have a large debt to manage aswell and this will be the main concern at the moment, i believe it could be brought under control if we made the CL stages 2 years running without any major lavishes and then we could start looking at spending some money but until this debt is reduced abit i doubt we will spend over 1m on anyone.

Celtic have a debt of £1.5m which is easily manageable and hence why they can spend money they get from transfer straight on transfer.

For every person we sell, we will only get about 5% of that to put back into wages or transfers.

forgot to add we do not have £10m from the CL as cetic are still in it(for at least another48hrs) and then with the Euro being strong it could be closer to £14m.

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This season should IMO sort out a lot of our financial woes.

A season with the wages as low as they'll be now will save us a lot of money and if Celtic fail to qualify for the CL and we make the last 16, we'll be swimming in it.

Or the season could go to shit and we could go bust.

Who said Murray wasn't a gambling man? :pipe:

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He gets no credit when things go right but has to take all the criticisim when things go wrong......hmmm...

Which things "going right" should he get credit for?

The only thing I think he has done correctly in recent memory, is bringing Smith, McCoist and McDowall in, and, to be honest, that was a no brainer given where we were at the time.

The league, and other trophies were really done in spite of Murray, not because of him. He should get very little credit on the playing front, as, he has next to zero input, apart from not spending money. The success is down to the management and players.

On the club front, the fact he still employs Bain, and, is doing very little indeed to enhance any aspect of the club, or the match day experience, really does open him up for criticism (regardless of any bias) as, its not good enough, not good enough at all. We were in a position to strengthen and grow, and capitalise on the title success, with a measly £25 million debt? He could have put that in from his loose change, and, given the squad trimming, a couple of sensible buys, we are more successful, but, it hasnt been done has it?. He doesnt HAVE to do that, but, surely it would be wise? If looking to sell, a successful club with no debt, just operating costs, is far more attractive.

But, he would probably rather discuss his fancy new (third) house in the press ;)

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He gets no credit when things go right but has to take all the criticisim when things go wrong......hmmm...

Which things "going right" should he get credit for?

The only thing I think he has done correctly in recent memory, is bringing Smith, McCoist and McDowall in, and, to be honest, that was a no brainer given where we were at the time.

The league, and other trophies were really done in spite of Murray, not because of him. He should get very little credit on the playing front, as, he has next to zero input, apart from not spending money. The success is down to the management and players.

On the club front, the fact he still employs Bain, and, is doing very little indeed to enhance any aspect of the club, or the match day experience, really does open him up for criticism (regardless of any bias) as, its not good enough, not good enough at all. We were in a position to strengthen and grow, and capitalise on the title success, with a measly £25 million debt? He could have put that in from his loose change, and, given the squad trimming, a couple of sensible buys, we are more successful, but, it hasnt been done has it?. He doesnt HAVE to do that, but, surely it would be wise? If looking to sell, a successful club with no debt, just operating costs, is far more attractive.

But, he would probably rather discuss his fancy new (third) house in the press ;)

I love it when people come out with that line, it's so ridiculous. I even heard people say this about the manager last season. Of course everything that goes right at Rangers is in spite of Sir David and everything that goes wrong is because of him....... :D

The chairman has told you our financial position since january, if you choose not to understand/accept that then no point in discussing it.

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He gets no credit when things go right but has to take all the criticisim when things go wrong......hmmm...

Which things "going right" should he get credit for?

The only thing I think he has done correctly in recent memory, is bringing Smith, McCoist and McDowall in, and, to be honest, that was a no brainer given where we were at the time.

The league, and other trophies were really done in spite of Murray, not because of him. He should get very little credit on the playing front, as, he has next to zero input, apart from not spending money. The success is down to the management and players.

On the club front, the fact he still employs Bain, and, is doing very little indeed to enhance any aspect of the club, or the match day experience, really does open him up for criticism (regardless of any bias) as, its not good enough, not good enough at all. We were in a position to strengthen and grow, and capitalise on the title success, with a measly £25 million debt? He could have put that in from his loose change, and, given the squad trimming, a couple of sensible buys, we are more successful, but, it hasnt been done has it?. He doesnt HAVE to do that, but, surely it would be wise? If looking to sell, a successful club with no debt, just operating costs, is far more attractive.

But, he would probably rather discuss his fancy new (third) house in the press ;)

I love it when people come out with that line, it's so ridiculous. I even heard people say this about the manager last season. Of course everything that goes right at Rangers is in spite of Sir David and everything that goes wrong is because of him....... :D

The chairman has told you our financial position since january, if you choose not to understand/accept that then no point in discussing it.

Erm? I didnt say or do either of those. You managed to miss the point. Or, do we have to take that and think there is no other option, and, there is only ONE way of sorting things out correctly?

I will explain, 2nd part first!

Our financial position, is, due to his actions (or non-actions), and decisions. He hires incompetent staff (Bain) to take care of the majority of decisions involving finanaces (transfers, marketing etc etc). As the owner, ultimately it is his decision, and, the buck stops with him. Do you disagree?

We have a small debt, of around £25 million, yes?

What is our turnover? Far more. How much investment would it take to turn us around into a profit making club? What is Murray worth? half a billion or something like that? Is this not possible then? Surely with ease? Would someone with any interest in running us properly do that? You would think so. Murray is a successful businessman, I cant see why he accepts running one of his companies so poorly. I deal with companies in all manner of financial situations every day, and, there are multiple routes to recovery. By CHOOSING not to invest in any manner in the club, Murray is jepoardising the future of it, and, in that, the ability to improve financially.

Improve the playing squad (doesnt take much money), continued, improved success on the field + improved transfer dealings, and, imprved marketing, means additional revenue streams. It really isnt difficult! People love to say that football is all about money these days, he holds the purse strings, so, he is responsible for us struggling.

The first part now. What did Murray do last season to receive credit for our success? Out of curiosity

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that danny fox was on loan to stranraer few season back when neil watt was the manager and he a ok player but i think he struggle in old firm games am not worryed about celtic or who they signed this summer when really they signed no 1 that makes us think that celtic are gonna give us a run for our money

we how there new players do on tuesday v arsenal

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