J-Maestro 11,066 Posted August 30, 2010 Author Share Posted August 30, 2010 But not even at one point did Hardy or Daley look at all threatening. I can't see any current british fighter becoming a real contender for a title. Hardy might get another shot at GSP if he beats condit and wins another but it will just be a repeat of the first fight. GSP will take him down and dominate him on the ground for 25 minutes. John Hathaway is our most promising prospect and even at that I still think he needs a better pedigree in wrestling if he wants to contend with the likes of Koscheck and Fitch never mind St. Pierre.Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves and Matt Hughes didn't either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togs 179 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves and Matt Hughes didn't either.And those three would all dominate any british WW fighter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,066 Posted August 30, 2010 Author Share Posted August 30, 2010 And those three would all dominate any british WW fighter.All three of those IMO are in the top 5 in the division. No matter how much wrestling training they do, they will still fall to someone who has been doing it much longer.In 2 years time though they will be talking about how to stop a striker with sprawling ability anyway. MMA always has one dominant skill in spells. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo 1,433 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 All three of those IMO are in the top 5 in the division. No matter how much wrestling training they do, they will still fall to someone who has been doing it much longer.In 2 years time though they will be talking about how to stop a striker with sprawling ability anyway. MMA always has one dominant skill in spells.I certainly hope so. It's boring as fuck watching guys like Fitch lie on top of someone for 15 minutes. He hasn't finished a fight in something like 3 years? At least Koscheck tries to finish guys every now and then.The Winner fight was a prime example. The guy did absolutely no damage and held him against the cage / mat for the majority of the fight. Perhaps refs should be given more leeway to make clean breaks when fighters are running down the clock like this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togs 179 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 True. Back in the 90's and early 2000's it was all about the strikers. Then it had a wee stint with counter strikers who were elusive now it's wrestling mostly.I hope the trend ends soon because as terryhurlock says it's boring as hell to watch folk like Fitch. The Rampage vs. Rashad fight was a prime example of lay and pray at it's best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,066 Posted August 30, 2010 Author Share Posted August 30, 2010 I certainly hope so. It's boring as fuck watching guys like Fitch lie on top of someone for 15 minutes. He hasn't finished a fight in something like 3 years? At least Koscheck tries to finish guys every now and then.The Winner fight was a prime example. The guy did absolutely no damage and held him against the cage / mat for the majority of the fight. Perhaps refs should be given more leeway to make clean breaks when fighters are running down the clock like this?As BJ Penn said what good is a takedown if you do nothing about it, takedowns etc. are meant to be set ups for trying submissions or ground and pound not to hold people.It WILL change either by strikers sprawling better, extremely active jiu-jitsu or through rule changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,801 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 The change is already here. Jose Aldo is probably the first guy to be in the form of a striker with sick TDD and good BJJ. Maybe JDS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,066 Posted August 30, 2010 Author Share Posted August 30, 2010 The change is already here. Jose Aldo is probably the first guy to be in the form of a striker with sick TDD and good BJJ. Maybe JDS?Jose Aldo was able to stop the takedown of Faber who should and is now at 135.Would he be able to shrug off Gray Maynard?I don't mind wrestlers if they are like Brock Lesnar who wants to finish fights, but there are too many coaches encouraging fighters to fight lay and pray. Especially Greg Jacksons camp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,801 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Jose Aldo was able to stop the takedown of Faber who should and is now at 135.Would he be able to shrug off Gray Maynard?I don't mind wrestlers if they are like Brock Lesnar who wants to finish fights, but there are too many coaches encouraging fighters to fight lay and pray. Especially Greg Jacksons camp.And Mike Brown who is a big Featherweight.Well, Gray is a big Lightweight so I'm not sure. Let him put on weight and move up and we'll see. Well, Jones has the best ground and pound attack and he trains with Jackson but I know what you mean with GSP, Rashad etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,066 Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 Main cardMiddleweight bout: Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar PalharesLightweight bout: Efrain Escudero vs. Charles OliveiraLightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Gleison TibauLightweight bout: Ross Pearson vs. Cole MillerPreliminary cardLightweight bout: Yves Edwards vs. John GundersonLight Heavyweight bout: Jared Hamman vs. Kyle KingsburyMiddleweight bout: Tomasz Drwal vs. Dave BranchMiddleweight bout: Rich Attonito vs. Rafael NatalWelterweight bout: Anthony Waldburger vs. David MitchellWelterweight bout: Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,801 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Main cardMiddleweight bout: Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares - DecisionLightweight bout: Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira - DecisionLightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau - DecisionLightweight bout: Ross Pearson vs. Cole Miller - TKO 2Preliminary cardLightweight bout: Yves Edwards vs. John Gunderson - DecisionLight Heavyweight bout: Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury - DecisionMiddleweight bout: Tomasz Drwal vs. Dave Branch - TKO 1Middleweight bout: Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal - TKO 2Welterweight bout: Anthony Waldburger vs. David Mitchell - DecisionWelterweight bout: Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz - 2 Sub Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togs 179 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Main cardMiddleweight bout: Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares - TKO 2Lightweight bout: Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira - DecisionLightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau - DecisionLightweight bout: Ross Pearson vs. Cole Miller - TKO 2Preliminary cardLightweight bout: Yves Edwards vs. John Gunderson - DecisionLight Heavyweight bout: Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury - TKO 3Middleweight bout: Tomasz Drwal vs. Dave Branch - KO 2Middleweight bout: Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal - DecisionWelterweight bout: Anthony Waldburger vs. David Mitchell - TKO 2Welterweight bout: Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz - Decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,066 Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 Main cardMiddleweight bout: Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares - TKO 3Lightweight bout: Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira - DecisionLightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau - DecisionLightweight bout: Ross Pearson vs. Cole Miller - TKO 2Preliminary cardLightweight bout: Yves Edwards vs. John Gunderson - DecisionLight Heavyweight bout: Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury - TKO 2Middleweight bout: Tomasz Drwal vs. Dave Branch - DecisionMiddleweight bout: Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal - TKO 1Welterweight bout: Anthony Waldburger vs. David Mitchell - Sub 2Welterweight bout: Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz - TKO 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo 1,433 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Main cardMiddleweight bout: Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares - TKO 3rdLightweight bout: Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira - DecisionLightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau - DecisionLightweight bout: Ross Pearson vs. Cole Miller - TKO 2ndPreliminary cardLightweight bout: Yves Edwards vs. John Gunderson - DecisionLight Heavyweight bout: Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury - TKO 2ndMiddleweight bout: Tomasz Drwal vs. Dave Branch - TKO 3rdMiddleweight bout: Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal - DecisionWelterweight bout: Anthony Waldburger vs. David Mitchell - Sub 3rdWelterweight bout: Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz - Decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted E Bayer 484 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Main cardMiddleweight bout: Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares - Sub 2ndLightweight bout: Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira - TKO 2ndLightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau - DecisionLightweight bout: Ross Pearson vs. Cole Miller - KO 2ndPreliminary cardLightweight bout: Yves Edwards vs. John Gunderson - DecisionLight Heavyweight bout: Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury - TKO 2Middleweight bout: Tomasz Drwal vs. Dave Branch - Decision By bushy tree Middleweight bout: Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal - KO 1st By tennis racket Welterweight bout: Anthony Waldburger vs. David Mitchell - Ko 3rd by Big Mac Welterweight bout: Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz - Decision By cat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togs 179 Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 My lord I only got 3 undercard fights right. Relying on Marquardt to be my only maincard save here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,066 Posted September 16, 2010 Author Share Posted September 16, 2010 Ross Pearson Although I'm happy to be wrong on Yves Edwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togs 179 Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Gutted about Ross Pearson. I remember watching Yves Edwards against Hermes Franca a long while ago back before I was really into MMA and I was just channel surfing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
broxi51 48 Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 too bad for pearson.Oliveria looks really exciting, two great subs in a row, with a good variety in his standup. Not to sure of nate landing after palhares stopped due to the alleged greasing, but protect yourself at all times as the saying goes.so we have 3 great exciting youngsters in aldo, oliveria and jones. Anyone know of any young ww, mw or how. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,066 Posted September 16, 2010 Author Share Posted September 16, 2010 too bad for pearson.Oliveria looks really exciting, two great subs in a row, with a good variety in his standup. Not to sure of nate landing after palhares stopped due to the alleged greasing, but protect yourself at all times as the saying goes.so we have 3 great exciting youngsters in aldo, oliveria and jones. Anyone know of any young ww, mw or how.WW: John Hathaway and Ben AskrenMW: Hector Lombardhow: Stefan Struve and Todd Duffee will be near the main event in 4 or 5 years I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulRFC1 115 Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 WW: John Hathaway and Ben AskrenMW: Hector Lombardhow: Stefan Struve and Todd Duffee will be near the main event in 4 or 5 years I think.Got cut from the UFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,801 Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Daniel Cormier is a great Heavyweight prospect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,066 Posted September 16, 2010 Author Share Posted September 16, 2010 Got cut from the UFC.He will be back, they don't have to be in the UFC for them to be up and comers.Hence Askren and Lombard who are both with Bellator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,066 Posted September 16, 2010 Author Share Posted September 16, 2010 Daniel Cormier is a great Heavyweight prospect.Definitely although time is not on his side, Phil Davis is going to be at the top too.Although I'm still certain these wrestlers are going to get a shock when Sprawl and Brawl is back on top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulRFC1 115 Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 He will be back, they don't have to be in the UFC for them to be up and comers.Hence Askren and Lombard who are both with Bellator.Yeah I know mate.Was just incase you didn't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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