RST Chairman and Secretary resign

[nemisis 358]

and is not allowed to make a statement even when he requested to do so, it has got to bring the whole organisation into question.

I wonder if there has been a run on Jaffa cakes recently?

[RFC55 104,244]

and is not allowed to make a statement even when he requested to do so, it has got to bring the whole organisation into question.

I wonder if there has been a run on Jaffa cakes recently?

Whooooooosh thats away over my head care to expand mate?

[Bluedell 14]

and is not allowed to make a statement even when he requested to do so, it has got to bring the whole organisation into question.

I wonder if there has been a run on Jaffa cakes recently?

It was a Secretary.

[BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,292]

More info needed for me to compute into something understandable

[RFC55 104,244]

I would presume he's talking about some of the rumours emerging from the latest AGM of the RST.

Like...

[Adoniram 1,919]

Best left to said Secretary i would think..or the Board members who have resigned

[RFC55 104,244]

If I say anything, I will be accused of doing so through the eyes of a website vendetta. I'll let you all find out what's being said and going on for yourselves. Just thought I would explain what the original poster was on about. However you won't be surprised to hear of the usual back stabbings and lousy behaviour. No more from me on this one chaps.

The usual then?

I do like a good detective game tho, so this should be good

[Orangeclement 556]

wow what a great thread ......

[thebooler 4,509]

Excellent thread!

Reminds me of the guys at work who are quick tae grass their mates up.........................but they don't want tae be seen doing it, or prefer tae drop we hints here and there.

I always tell them the same thing - "Don't come tae me wae half a story. If yer no gonny speak yer mind, then don't speak at all".

Best policy IMO.

[Adoniram 1,919]

Excellent thread!

Reminds me of the guys at work who are quick tae grass their mates up.........................but they don't want tae be seen doing it, or prefer tae drop we hints here and there.

I always tell them the same thing - "Don't come tae me wae half a story. If yer no gonny speak yer mind, then don't speak at all".

Best policy IMO.

I think it is more the case that certain people are remaining very very quiet which isn't like them.

Perhaps they can explain it in greater detail?

[DarcheVinny 1,003]

Que?

[The Hammer 11 2,400]

If you wan't to be cryptic and secretive don't post on a public forum !

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

'When a Secretary Resigns'

I think I have that video somewhere! or was that 'When a secretary wants a job' or was it 'Secretary Fantisies'

anyway this post makes as much sense as the OP so posting it!

[Ozblue 4,331]

I'm not sure if it's because I've just got up at 4.00AM to tune in to the Dunfermline match.... or whether I'm as dumb as dog shit....or whether this thread is as clear as mud...or all three of the above, but I haven't a fucking clue what I'm supposed to understand here!

[bawbaggery 0]

[Adoniram 1,919]

I'm not sure if it's because I've just got up at 4.00AM to tune in to the Dunfermline match.... or whether I'm as dumb as dog shit....or whether this thread is as clear as mud...or all three of the above, but I haven't a fucking clue what I'm supposed to understand here!

Three words....Rangers Supporters Trust.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

She got the job because of her long .......

.... association with local charities and her big .......

... heart.

(Actually this post is just a bump as more people should see this!

[Frankie 505]

Just to be clear as some seem uncertain, the original poster was talking about farcical scenes at the RST AGM on Sunday where upon the recently resigned secretary stormed out after being denied the chance to make a statement about a matter not yet disclosed by the Trust.

There are a couple of different accounts of said meeting (though not yet an official minute) which show the RST is struggling badly to fulfil its remit.

Not only has the secretary resigned but so has the Chairman (Stephen Smith), the main media representative (David Edgar) and the treasurer (Christine Sommerville). While all four resignations are not apparently immediately related (three remain on the board for the time being at least), and replacements likely to be found quickly, once again the disorganisation of the Trust is disappointing for those of interested in supporters representation.

For balance, I should add that I think there have been some interesting changes/improvements to the Trust over the last year or so.

I'm told communication with members is varied and improved with a newly designed website which looks good and is accessible to all. Further, some of the outreach activities they do have (such as the Family Day and their charity work) are very good and well worthy of every fan's support. The Trust also has a positive relationship with the Assembly, the Association and Follow Follow.

I think that tells us there is talent and commitment to be built upon. To that end, it could be said that the Trust has two paths open to it.

1. Use the resignation of the chairman to start afresh and appoint a wholly neutral chair who is capable of being their own man/woman and is able to pull the organisation together to reach out to potential members (old and new alike) and show the Trust is a serious opportunity when it comes to achieving genuine supporters representation. Also appoint a new secretary, new media reps, new Assembly reps and new club liaisons. The existing ones have had their time and have failed.

2. Continue down a blind alley, refusing to communicate with people whose faces don't fit, allowing one or two people to dictate policy and struggle to achieve a credible reputation with those fans/figures who really matter.

I'm sure every fan (interested in the Trust or not) would find one of these options exciting, interesting and worthy of our attention.

[gunslinger 270]

Just to be clear as some seem uncertain, the original poster was talking about farcical scenes at the RST AGM on Sunday where upon the recently resigned secretary stormed out after being denied the chance to make a statement about a matter not yet disclosed by the Trust.

There are a couple of different accounts of said meeting (though not yet an official minute) which show the RST is struggling badly to fulfil its remit.

Not only has the secretary resigned but so has the Chairman (Stephen Smith), the main media representative (David Edgar) and the treasurer (Christine Sommerville). While all four resignations are not apparently immediately related (three remain on the board for the time being at least), and replacements likely to be found quickly, once again the disorganisation of the Trust is disappointing for those of interested in supporters representation.

For balance, I should add that I think there have been some interesting changes/improvements to the Trust over the last year or so.

I'm told communication with members is varied and improved with a newly designed website which looks good and is accessible to all. Further, some of the outreach activities they do have (such as the Family Day and their charity work) are very good and well worthy of every fan's support. The Trust also has a positive relationship with the Assembly, the Association and Follow Follow.

I think that tells us there is talent and commitment to be built upon. To that end, it could be said that the Trust has two paths open to it.

1. Use the resignation of the chairman to start afresh and appoint a wholly neutral chair who is capable of being their own man/woman and is able to pull the organisation together to reach out to potential members (old and new alike) and show the Trust is a serious opportunity when it comes to achieving genuine supporters representation. Also appoint a new secretary, new media reps, new Assembly reps and new club liaisons. The existing ones have had their time and have failed.

2. Continue down a blind alley, refusing to communicate with people whose faces don't fit, allowing one or two people to dictate policy and struggle to achieve a credible reputation with those fans/figures who really matter.

I'm sure every fan (interested in the Trust or not) would find one of these options exciting, interesting and worthy of our attention.

well said.

the rst and gersave are fantastic vehicles for change and improvment. it would be a terrible terrible shame if self interest and politics were allowed to damage it further.

i have been a memmber in the past and as you say the comunication is poor.

they should pick a few acheivable goals and appoint the people who can make those happen and if they dont then replace them.

[Adoniram 1,919]

Just to be clear as some seem uncertain, the original poster was talking about farcical scenes at the RST AGM on Sunday where upon the recently resigned secretary stormed out after being denied the chance to make a statement about a matter not yet disclosed by the Trust.

There are a couple of different accounts of said meeting (though not yet an official minute) which show the RST is struggling badly to fulfil its remit.

Not only has the secretary resigned but so has the Chairman (Stephen Smith), the main media representative (David Edgar) and the treasurer (Christine Sommerville). While all four resignations are not apparently immediately related (three remain on the board for the time being at least), and replacements likely to be found quickly, once again the disorganisation of the Trust is disappointing for those of interested in supporters representation.

For balance, I should add that I think there have been some interesting changes/improvements to the Trust over the last year or so.

I'm told communication with members is varied and improved with a newly designed website which looks good and is accessible to all. Further, some of the outreach activities they do have (such as the Family Day and their charity work) are very good and well worthy of every fan's support. The Trust also has a positive relationship with the Assembly, the Association and Follow Follow.

I think that tells us there is talent and commitment to be built upon. To that end, it could be said that the Trust has two paths open to it.

1. Use the resignation of the chairman to start afresh and appoint a wholly neutral chair who is capable of being their own man/woman and is able to pull the organisation together to reach out to potential members (old and new alike) and show the Trust is a serious opportunity when it comes to achieving genuine supporters representation. Also appoint a new secretary, new media reps, new Assembly reps and new club liaisons. The existing ones have had their time and have failed.

2. Continue down a blind alley, refusing to communicate with people whose faces don't fit, allowing one or two people to dictate policy and struggle to achieve a credible reputation with those fans/figures who really matter.

I'm sure every fan (interested in the Trust or not) would find one of these options exciting, interesting and worthy of our attention.

We all know it wil be the latter until said person is forcibly removed from Office never to be associated with the Trust again.

Oh and the tip of the iceberg i hear (what you have written) much more to come.

[Frankie 505]

Here are brief accounst of the meeting from Tannochside Bear and Bluedell on Gersnet:

Tannochside Bear

As for the AGM, a very brief summary would be;

35 in attendance.

Loss of £10K in the year.

Membership income down.

Report done for a "high net worth" but unnamed investor that got leaked and the investor ran away.

Fundaraising events through the year lost money instead of raised money.

Loads of changes in the board again, with 8 new/re-elected board members.

Chairman resigned, personal/work commitments.

Secretary resigned, tried to make statement, was told not to.

Treasurer resigned, personal/work commitments.

It wasnt a very good year, and even the few of us left that support the concept of the vehicle of a Supporters Trust cannot hide or "spin" the fact that it is not looking good at the moment.

Hopefully, the new guys coming into it, coupled with the few good guys/gals already there, can start to make the necessary changes to take the Trust forward, but they have a long road ahead.

Bluedell

I counted 33 in attendance (including 11 board members), but I could have been wong.

There was a loss of £10K partly due to a loss on functions of £4k (Gerspride, the dinner etc) and some expenditure (professional fees) relating to report produced for the well publicised "high net worth" "investor". The RST have never been officially told the name of this person. The plan was to underwrite a supporter purchase of the club, but he was not going to invest cash himself if it was successful. His plan was to be cash neutral.

Membership increased slightly by 120 to 1,392. Presumably the reason for the fall in membership subs is due to a higher number of people becoming life members last year.

They are going to put in controls to ensure that future expenditure is tightly controlled.

The current chairman, Stephen Smith has not yet stood down, but is looking to in the near future.

One new person was appointed to the Board - Ian Devine, who helps run the Kenmuir RSC.

The former secretary, Alan Harris, asked to make a statement as to why he resigned, during the secretary and treasurer's reports section but was not allowed. It seemed as if it was something to do with the accounts. He then left shortly afterwards, which was unfortunate as he should have had the opportunity to make his statement later in the meeting. Criticism can be leveled at both sides for this. I don't see why he could not have been allowed to have made his statement when he asked to, but also he should have stayed to make it later.

The treasurer stood down due to there being an accountant on the board who would take over from her.

Other points raised were:

RST's own forum - it was suggested by a board member that facebook was a better option.

Gersave - the RST are to readdress this now that the ownershuip issue has settled down

Time of meeting - Sunday morning clashed with church services.

More regular meetings - this will be looked into.

[Frankie 505]

So would someone give me some advice as I have been thinking about investing in the trust and GersSave

What do you want to know?

[Frankie 505]

We all know it wil be the latter until said person is forcibly removed from Office never to be associated with the Trust again.

Oh and the tip of the iceberg i hear (what you have written) much more to come.

I think a lot of people will concede Mark Dingwall has caused a lot of problems within the support.

While I'm not sure it is entirely fair to blame him alone for our representative failures, I'm surprised and disappointed he continues to refuse to realise his presence is counter-productive for the Trust. Quite simply, unless he stands aside, the organisation will continue to wither and die. That benefits no-one.

I'm sure people on the Trust board share that point of view but seem unable (or unwilling) to do a thing about it while the actual membership seem just as impotent (or disinterested) in why things are going wrong with their organisation. In that respect, we're all culpable.

Rangers fans lack a true leader to guide us through this mess. Perhaps a new Trust chair will help but they're on a hiding to nothing unless the organisation change their MO substantially.

[Adoniram 1,919]

So would someone give me some advice as I have been thinking about investing in the trust and GersSave

The honest and impartial answer despite what people will say is not to at the moment.I will not go in to detail on here.

I would hold fire until all becomes clearer.

[TannochsideBear 355]

So would someone give me some advice as I have been thinking about investing in the trust and GersSave

Perhaps you would be better going directly to the RST website and contact them there for this, as any investments (even in the Rangers) should not be taken lightly and probably a football forum is not the best place to get such advice.